When did Naruto go downhill?
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YellowFang
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We. . . ? :erm:
That's true. . . one more "aggressive" member will make a thread or two on some specific happening of the Manga and a s**t load of others will follow it without having their own actual opinion on the matter.
It had a direction since day 1. Who gets to catch Naruto. Obito failed, Madara caught but couldn't keep, making HInata the winner in the end.
I.e.? Oh you meant the war not starting right away made it direction less... >_> really?
Neither party was ready - challenge was declared and then they each side was getting ready for it, but how it's lack of direction?
Personally I loved him getting killed by Zetsu. It was so ironic and so fitting for his arrogance- his most prominent weakness ( the other one being a person behind his back).
Yeah that was forced. A story line added but then dropped without developing further.
lol It did feel a little rushed after some other fights extending too long though I liked last 6 by themselves. If only some previous fights were also abridged like that. But obviously they couldn't plan the whole war before hand and they didn't take a long enough break in between which might have helped otherwise even if we had to wait for a few months for the next chapter.
DoubleKamui
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When Obito was TnJed. Not the actual part though; I actually like the fact that he (Obito) turned good. It's just the repetitive, useless flashbacks about Rin during his TnJ and the events leading after it (Madara's plot-enhanced fight, Kaguya's shitty role as a villain, etc...) that left me questioning if Kishi was really a pot-head. Jokes aside, it wasn't all that bad. There were some ups here and there but most of it was just disappointment.
Tell me about it lol.
I myself didn't really consider Obito being Tobi- for the same reasons as many others- it felt too obvious and what not. I remember Scorps wanting to catch a plane to go to Japan to kill Kishi for it. XD
But moderating forums that day helped me go past my personal disappointment within an hour. So much spam and I was the only active general mod at the time. -_- Totally gave me all new perspective of everything. hmm
Kishi created 3 juubi Jin. Obito, Maddy and Kaguya &vthen defeated them using asspulls.
Freindship BS, BZ asspull and the whole Kaguya arc was just ....
He should have continued with madara tbh
During the war the series got milked and threw kishi out of his writing style, the fights werent even interesting anymore, and on top of that we had flaws after flaws, so id say after the pein arc naruto manga went downhill.
He should have continued with BZ alone. XD But the movie makers wanted the romance and to take the pair to the moon or something so we got a randm moon goddess instead of the tree spirit alone.
SilverfoxUchiha
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I agree Kishi took waaay too long. It went downhill partly due to that. Partly due to the fact that he couldn't work out a legitimate way to defeat Madaras character so brought in a lame Kaguya via the biggest asspull the series has ever seen. And the cracks were showing when he suddenly changed Orochimarus character from something that was badass to something that became soppy and wet.
OT tho:
I mean come on man!
Disclaimer: And for those who might feel for some reason that they might want to pounce on me or label my views as 'Salty'; I'm sorry... but it's true. How the heck man. But is what it is i guess.. is what it is heh hehe
OT tho:
HOW COULD HE REPLACE THIS:
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I mean come on man!
Disclaimer: And for those who might feel for some reason that they might want to pounce on me or label my views as 'Salty'; I'm sorry... but it's true. How the heck man. But is what it is i guess.. is what it is heh hehe
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~Kami no Itachi~
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LOl but if you think back BZ was always lurking and was almost everywhere. But despite all his abilities it was never cleared what was for him in it.
What I liked after the declaration of the War and early war:
-Itachi's interaction with Naruto and the mystry of the crow being solved. ( partly because my own little prediction that either Naruto won't meet Itachi during war or whatever power Itachi gave Naruto to deal with Sasuke would activate against himself but nah it was fun)
-Concept of Izanami loop.
-Hanzou's little redemption
-Danzou's end
-The Gara VS second mizukage fight ( that kage was fun)
-Mu was ok too
-Kurama's reluctance in accepting that he was helping Naruto and had stopped stealing his chakra when Hachibi point it out. The interaction there was fun.
-Tobi's hell- lol I know all the mocking with "you let rin die" comment but As Obito too said - it wasn't only about that. That scene with Tobi in inches deep pool of blood sums it up.
And so on- the small bits like that. I can add more but it will take time.
The over all spacing is the main problem - since some chapters got too stretched and then rushed later on.
New knight48
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The only downfall for me was the kaguya arc but it got much better once it ended. I really loved the ending of naruto and kishi passed my expectations.
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My major disappointments with the manga :-
Orochimaru being thrown in the Dustbin.
Madara being thrown out of the story so suddenly, no fights, no struggle against BZ.
Kaguya having zero personality Development.
And this is the worst of it all :-
Sasuke declaring a revolution and then making a face turn in just 5 Chapters. This was imo the worst thing in the manga.
Orochimaru being thrown in the Dustbin.
Madara being thrown out of the story so suddenly, no fights, no struggle against BZ.
Kaguya having zero personality Development.
And this is the worst of it all :-
Sasuke declaring a revolution and then making a face turn in just 5 Chapters. This was imo the worst thing in the manga.
Yeah I know.No one expected BZ to betray maddy.
Not even naruto with negative emotion sensing (.__.)
Agreed there r many awesome moments in manga in the war arc itself.i enjoyedWhat I liked after the declaration of the War and early war:
-Itachi's interaction with Naruto and the mystry of the crow being solved. ( partly because my own little prediction that either Naruto won't meet Itachi during war or whatever power Itachi gave Naruto to deal with Sasuke would activate against himself but nah it was fun)
-Concept of Izanami loop.
-Hanzou's little redemption
-Danzou's end
-The Gara VS second mizukage fight ( that kage was fun)
-Mu was ok too
-Kurama's reluctance in accepting that he was helping Naruto and had stopped stealing his chakra when Hachibi point it out. The interaction there was fun.
-Tobi's hell- lol I know all the mocking with "you let rin die" comment but As Obito too said - it wasn't only about that. That scene with Tobi in inches deep pool of blood sums it up.
And so on- the small bits like that. I can add more but it will take time.
The over all spacing is the main problem - since some chapters got too stretched and then rushed later on.
1. Gaara's convo with Troll kage and his father while itachi's with Naruto
2. Madara VS 5 Kage
3. Itachi's goodbye and kabuto's char
4. Naruto, Bee, Gai and Kakashi VS Obito and his paths
5. Obito becoming Juubi Jin
6. Maddy's stomp mode after being revived
7. Chap 697,698 and 699[somewhat]. 698 was one oh the best chps in this manga for me
The consistency of the manga during war arc sucked really bad, changing from one villain to one in a same arc was just poor writing for a writer of Kishi caliber, not to forget all the flaws that made the fans complain almost in every chapter released, many things were left unexplained and while trying to cover one flaw he covered it with another flaw resulting in plot holes, for me these were the main problems of the war arc which in one word made the arc bad.
But the manga as a whole too had problems especiality the second part, the character development and world building were always pretty poor on naruto.
But the manga as a whole too had problems especiality the second part, the character development and world building were always pretty poor on naruto.
