[Discussion] The way Yata Mirror really work, please no wank or trolling

[KCMNaruto]

I agree with you. But the real problem with people that think Itachi is Sologod is that they think that he and all other ninja instantly use there most powerful techs. Like the battle starts and Sasuke will instantly start teleporting and using Indra's arrow, Nartuo will start a battle by spamming TBB, Kakashi will start sniping away, Madara will use IT (for no good damn reason), Hashirama will use his Dragon and golem and buddha, Hiruzen will summon enma, Nagato will use shuri tensai. They dont understand characters and the way they fight. They dont notice that we have seen Itachi use these weapons 2 time, and never did he begin a battle with it, he waited til he had a perfect opportunity before weilding them. That being said, most shinobi wont have to worry about these weapons, and Itachi is the type of fighter that if he gets you to the point that he can use these weapons on your then you would probably be beaten even if he used other techs (if you know what i mean).

well I agree completly with you, but please refrain from going off topic and adress my three main points I contained in that thread

 

[KCMNaruto]

There are many flaw on WILD Itachi fans logic, actually they are like insecure peoples, and also had superiority complex.

For me Yata mirror is not invincible, BZ opinion can't be used as a factor or proof here, He dont create Yata, he just learning from experience,

Yeah, he knew about Yata as a lagendery weapon and something about Yata ability, but that's all.

That is the first time he see Yata mirror is in use, that is mean, his judgement is still weak, unless he has an experiance of seeing Yata Mirror usage before Itachi. His words is baseless and cant be take into consideration.

Another aspect that peoples failed to grasp is Defend against spiritual attack,

Spiritual attack is only covered what NV term or consider as spiritual attack. Most spiritual attack in NV mainly the by product of Yin-Yang elements. That is mean anything consisting Yin or Yang elements can be block by Yata, but Yin or Yang attack is divide to two, spiritual body attack and spiritual concept attack

-Spiritual Body attack is mean an attack that has shape/form but in spiritual manner example is Limbo, Tayuya worm, etc

-Spiritual Concept attack is mean an attack that not having any physical form even inside spiriual realm, example is Ganjutsu, Kamui, Imagination etc

And by Yata Mirror Blocking any spiritual attack by NV term is actually mean Spiritual Body Attack.

Keep in Mind, I'm here only used NB term and rule and not other fictional rule, its because Yata is created by Kishimoto, Naruto manga writer.

wow I learned a lot from you , thank you

I agree with everything you posted because well I in awe actually.

If you look closely at the explosion, a force field is formed. You can clearly see the lines. That's not expanding, but it did something to completely negate the damage 100%

Hmm... but couldn't it be just Yata Mirror's changing properties result so it made explosion going this way not other, hmm ?

Another Itachi hater. This is just sad.

No I am not I just try to explore more unadressed stuff about Yata Mirror, if that is what you call hating then I feel sad for you.

1. It is called the Yata Mirror not the Yata Shield. What is a mirror? A mirror reflects whoever stands before it. The Yata Mirror is only being seen as how Itachi (the owner) wants it to be seen, like a Shield. The Kusanagi blade is a blade, the Totsuka Blade (aka Sagekari Sword) is a blade. The Yata Mirror is a mirror which reflects what d user wants to see. And it's only logical that Itachi wants it to be a shield because it is a defensive weapon. Use ur brain and don't let ur hate for Itachi cloud your judgement.

Nothing adress my 1 point, so sorry I won't bother. If you tried to adress Sumarry then you took wrong approach.

Adress 1 main point of discussion if you can.

2. Do u even know d meaning of a spiritual item? Zetsu said it has no form but it 'changes its properties' to defend against an attack. And stop trying to use natural meaning on a supernatural anime.

But you know what ? I knew it and I already agree it with that for sake of this thread.

Still you didn't adress rest of 2 point of my thread, sorry.

3. The yata mirror deflects all things. DEAL WITH IT

that is poor argument, I am not even taking it into consideration.

Anyway I also not adress my 3 point, learn how to adress point and reply on topic.

Because going off-topic never grant someone win.

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

I see you don't have a reply to my points so I can leave here satisfied

 

[Ken Kaneki]

What happens when totsuka hits yata???

Brilliant

 

[KCMNaruto]

I see you don't have a reply to my points so I can leave here satisfied

I could just create your own thread and I wil adress them, because the culture and respect requires first to reply to someone questions before asking questions on your own.

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

I could just create your own thread and I wil adress them, because the culture and respect requires first to reply to someone questions before asking questions on your own.

I replied everything. Too bad you couldn't do the same

 

[Ken Kaneki]

I have some things I would like to add but no time. So later.

 

[Trúth]

Post edited.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

I have some things I would like to add but no time. So later.

Red bar? lmao let me help with that​

 

[KCMNaruto]

I replied everything. Too bad you couldn't do the same

1. It is called the Yata Mirror not the Yata Shield. What is a mirror? A mirror reflects whoever stands before it. The Yata Mirror is only being seen as how Itachi (the owner) wants it to be seen, like a Shield. The Kusanagi blade is a blade, the Totsuka Blade (aka Sagekari Sword) is a blade. The Yata Mirror is a mirror which reflects what d user wants to see. And it's only logical that Itachi wants it to be a shield because it is a defensive weapon. Use ur brain and don't let ur hate for Itachi cloud your judgement.

2. Do u even know d meaning of a spiritual item? Zetsu said it has no form but it 'changes its properties' to defend against an attack. And stop trying to use natural meaning on a supernatural anime.

3. The yata mirror deflects all things. DEAL WITH IT

1. @ bold part I stated, whatever stands before it, yet nothing imply/hints/statest that Yata Mirror react without something getting with contact with it. Also grabbing can be done from Up or down direction so It is is not in front of mirror.

2. It can be true, but once it changes it properties to be wielded by Itachi's Susanoo it can not loose it's form because otherwise SUsanoo couldn't wield it anymore

3. I already deal with it, so learn to read before posting.

> An opinion later validated by the databook.

^^ Which is again just opinion or hyperbole, so Why would I care about it.

> Black Zetsu was intelligent enough to completely manipulate the Uchiha clan for centuries and the battle experinxe only speaks in favor of Yata mirror. Despite seeing countless attacks and battles through the centuries he praised Tata as being able to easily had all of them.

Does not need any intelligence, being tricky and knowing how how much Uchiha clan holds love valuable above anything else would be enough.

Still it is mere opinion, just like Iruka stating Hiruzen was the strongest in history.
However I give you that neither databook or manga has shown anything to disprove that.

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The way this was worded made it rather difficult to understand. It looks though as if you are trying to use a page where Yata did not need to change shape to shield Itachi from the attack as proof that it isn't capable of doing so. Rofl

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Sorry but I believe you misunderstood me. Anyway I meant that scans shows Yata Mirror need to be moved in other direction instead of extending itself to cover enough Space so snakes wouldn't pass towards Itachi. All it happened while Yata Mirror didn't change it's shape so I can assume that it was move of Itachi's Susanoo hand to put Yata Mirror in other direction instead of Yata spreading/extending to cover bigger area.

That would be correct.

1) Susanoo itself isn't physical. The user is able to let others walk in, or things leave.
2) It could be held by any number of ways without physical force. Bonded by chakra etc. At the end of the day, you have not a clue about how these weapons work, and the manga and databook have both stated them to not be physical.

1) that mean other Susanoo would also grab Yata Mirror, same with chakra arm as neither of them were physcial to begin with, right ?
2) Hmm, hard to believe but If I believe that then above point still stands correct.

It can't be grabbed in the sense you mean, but this is a fact that I already know is above your head from a few of your previous posts so don't even worry about it.

Physcially yes, but neither other Susanoo entity or chakra arm is physical so that does it mean it can ?

I don't know that answer anymore than you do.

I am glad that you stated it, it means you debate about it seriously.

Obviously it cannot just go for a walk. If you're referring to it's ability to change shape though, then please not that you failed to prove that completely.

@bold No it would not.

No, I proved it right, just re-read it and adress my point if you think otherwise.

Yes, it would. It is same as Semahada needed inteligence or at least primitive senses to do that.

> It didn't need to change shape. Those explosive kunai hit the shield dead on.
> why on earth would it change shape after the explosion, which means the kunai found a target to hit?

Ok, first point is correct

Sorry I meant the moment explosion took off and begin to spread...

> Because it didn't hit complete Susano'o. It clearly hit Yata.
> @Bold You did not show that. U_U

Prove that, show me that just Yata was hit.

I can see Yata being hit but also part of explosion go up and that where it hit Complete Susanoo, so I am not sure what you meant.

> You proved neither point.
> Not in the sense you mean.
> Failed to prove.

I'll be back in a few hours.

I proved all of them with arguments I posted so now I will wait to see if you refute them.

Sure I will wait

 

[BlazeRelease]

wow I learned a lot from you , thank you

I agree with everything you posted because well I in awe actually.



Hmm... but couldn't it be just Yata Mirror's changing properties result so it made explosion going this way not other, hmm ?



No I am not I just try to explore more unadressed stuff about Yata Mirror, if that is what you call hating then I feel sad for you.



Nothing adress my 1 point, so sorry I won't bother. If you tried to adress Sumarry then you took wrong approach.

Adress 1 main point of discussion if you can.



But you know what ? I knew it and I already agree it with that for sake of this thread.

Still you didn't adress rest of 2 point of my thread, sorry.



that is poor argument, I am not even taking it into consideration.

Anyway I also not adress my 3 point, learn how to adress point and reply on topic.

Because going off-topic never grant someone win.

Yes it could be.

But a forcefield is a change in form along with other possibilities. Either way, it has shown its defense is not limited to the shape and form of a shield.

 

[Ken Kaneki]

Red bar? lmao let me help with that​

Love your sig. Hate Carlsen 's arrogance though.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Love your sig. Hate Carlsen 's arrogance though.

Yes lol. But he's the best in the world at what he does, therefore he can be as arrogant as he wants xD​

 

[KCMNaruto]

Yes it could be.

But a forcefield is a change in form along with other possibilities. Either way, it has shown its defense is not limited to the shape and form of a shield.

so you partially agree, but it would be ok as there is no either proof for it or against it.

 

[Ken Kaneki]

All right OP, prepare to listen to things that 100% pass through Yata. These are not maybe. But 100% sure. ( I know IB would red bar me as hell for this, but I shall speak the truth).

There are 2 things that pass through Yata. They are :-

1) Light
2) Sound

1) Light :- You know how you see objects ? Light falls on it and then get reflected to your eyes. If light does not pass through it, and then escape it and come back, you would not be able to see the object. Eg:- black hole. But clearly everyone can see Itachi inside Yata. So light must pass through Yata, hit Itachi and then escape from Yata. Otherwise Itachi would have been invisible like a black hole.
2) Sound :- Logic is similar to light waves. You can hear him and he can. Which means sound waves pass through Yata.

Which means the hyperbole -"Yata reflects all things " is not possible. Otherwise Itachi, when he holds Yata, could not have seen /heard anything from the outside and the person outside could not have seen/heard Itachi. But this is not the case. So Light and Sound pass through Yata.

Implications:- Huge

If sound passes through Yata, it is not a perfect shield. It is vulnerable to Sound Genjutsu. Haven't worked out what exposure to light could do.

If IB continues to propose that even Light and Sound do not pass through Yata they should explain how is Itachi able to see/hear outside stuff and how are people from Outside able to see/hear him.

 

[Trúth]

^^ Which is again just opinion or hyperbole, so Why would I care about it.

> Kishimoto, stated that it was invincible, that is not an opinion. Within the confines of the Naruto manga, it is fact.
> We aren't going to debate about whether it's a hyperbole or not. Too time consuming....I assure you though, you would lose.

Does not need any intelligence, being tricky and knowing how how much Uchiha clan holds love valuable above anything else would be enough.

Right, there is no intelligence required to manipulate a clan of geniuses for hundreds of years.

Still it is mere opinion, just like Iruka stating Hiruzen was the strongest in history.
However I give you that neither databook or manga has shown anything to disprove that.

It's nothing like Iruka stating Hiruzen was the strongest in history. Iruka was not in fact alive to see Hiruzen in his prime, nor was he alive to see anyone else who may have been stronger. Black Zetsu on the other hand experienced all of shinobi history first hand and even took a role in creating it. Despite all the techniques and powers he must have witnessed and recorded in every war, he can to the conclusion that Yata mirror alone was capable of rendering all of them ineffective.

Sorry but I believe you misunderstood me. Anyway I meant that scans shows Yata Mirror need to be moved in other direction instead of extending itself to cover enough Space so snakes wouldn't pass towards Itachi. All it happened while Yata Mirror didn't change it's shape so I can assume that it was move of Itachi's Susanoo hand to put Yata Mirror in other direction instead of Yata spreading/extending to cover bigger area.

I did misunderstand you.. U_U

You are still incorrect though.
> Itachi moved Yata and used it as a shield while he cut off the snakes heads. Why?
> Because it would have been pointless to just keep Yata in front of him and use it as protection against the snakes. Yata can't kill them it can only keep them from damaging Itachi or Susano'o. Itachi needs them dead and he needs them dead quickly because he can't hold Susano'o up forever or until the snakes break their skulls against the shield. It only makes sense that he would move Yata in a way that still gives him protection, but still allows him to kill the snakes.

1) that mean other Susanoo would also grab Yata Mirror, same with chakra arm as neither of them were physcial to begin with, right ?
2) Hmm, hard to believe but If I believe that then above point still stands correct.

1) Susano'o could touch Yata mirror. Grabbing it is another thing entirely. It's not possible for Yata mirror to be grabbed by Susano'o.
2) It's partially correct.

Physcially yes, but neither other Susanoo entity or chakra arm is physical so that does it mean it can ?

1) Read above. Also I'm not sure about the chakra arms being not physical.

I am glad that you stated it, it means you debate about it seriously.

Of course.

No, I proved it right, just re-read it and address my point if you think otherwise.

Yes, it would. It is same as Semahada needed inteligence or at least primitive senses to do that.

1) It's been addressed above.
2) No it isn't. I'm glad you acknowledged that it would only need primitive or basic senses to do so however. You've conceded the fact that Yata mirror itself does not need to be alive or intelligent to identify the user. I'm not saying that Yata mirror can btw, there is no evidence of that.

Ok, first point is correct

Sorry I meant the moment explosion took off and begin to spread...

1) I know.
2)I'm not really sure what you're getting at here. We don't see Yata at all when the explosion hits. Yet we see it perfectly intact afterwards as well as Susano'o. If you're suggesting that the explosion spread all around Susano'o then you must believe that Yata is able to change shape to cover Susano'o completely because there is no damage to it at all after the explosion.

Prove that, show me that just Yata was hit.

I can see Yata being hit but also part of explosion go up and that where it hit Complete Susanoo, so I am not sure what you meant.

1) Mate you can see it for yourself. I haven't a clue how to prove to you that only Yata was hit other than telling you to look at the page again.

2) There is no point where the explosion hit Susano'o. Just look at the panel closer.

I proved all of them with arguments I posted so now I will wait to see if you refute them.

Sure I will wait

Refuted.

 

[Bolt Rules]

What a shitty theory. You stated BZ is stupid only because you don't like his declaration of Yata's invincibility.
BZ is the being who manipulated everyone in order to revive Kaguya. His intelligence and puppet mastery surpasses all.



Manga FACTS disagree with your theory. Also Itachi solos Hagoromo low-mid diff.

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[KCMNaruto]

> Kishimoto, stated that it was invincible, that is not an opinion. Within the confines of the Naruto manga, it is fact.
> We aren't going to debate about whether it's a hyperbole or not. Too time consuming....I assure you though, you would lose.

>where Kishimoto has stated it ?, How could we know it was Kishimoto instead of specific characters stating it as Black Zetsu ?
How can we even take databook hype seriously if it full of inconsistency and exagaration.

> I wouldn't be so sure, because having too much confidence can make you loose. I am ready if you are.

Right, there is no intelligence required to manipulate a clan of geniuses for hundreds of years.

Geniuses in battle or in shinobi arts generally and what does it have to do with mind of them ? I meant manga fact shows them as highly dependant on love even more then Senjuu. It wouldn't be too hard for Black Zetsu to stick two pieces together and came with idea killing their loved ones or making it happen so Uchiha in desperation and having unstable mind would in rage listen to everyone who explain to him who did it, and of course Black Zetsu put blame on Senjuu each time.

It doesn't take intelligence or at least not too much intelligence to do that, the primitive being with art of treachery mastered along with being snicky bastard as Black Zetsu can easily manipulate people while having unstable mind in desperation moment.

It's nothing like Iruka stating Hiruzen was the strongest in history. Iruka was not in fact alive to see Hiruzen in his prime, nor was he alive to see anyone else who may have been stronger. Black Zetsu on the other hand experienced all of shinobi history first hand and even took a role in creating it. Despite all the techniques and powers he must have witnessed and recorded in every war, he can to the conclusion that Yata mirror alone was capable of rendering all of them ineffective.

Very good point indeed. I could admit that I am completly wrong, only if I consider Black Zetsu intelligent being... instead he seems more like type who use all the tricks he saw in the past used by people on each other, which is not too hard even for primitive being which is able to mimic someone.

@ bold part, and does part make no sense sorry. BZ stated that both Totsuka and Yata could only be found by Itachi, so he has never seen them in past and he only stated what the legend say about it.

In viz translation if I am not wrong BZ said "With Totsuka blade long , Itachi is invicible or as it says."

I did misunderstand you.. U_U

Ok

You are still incorrect though.
> Itachi moved Yata and used it as a shield while he cut off the snakes heads. Why?
> Because it would have been pointless to just keep Yata in front of him and use it as protection against the snakes. Yata can't kill them it can only keep them from damaging Itachi or Susano'o. Itachi needs them dead and he needs them dead quickly because he can't hold Susano'o up forever or until the snakes break their skulls against the shield. It only makes sense that he would move Yata in a way that still gives him protection, but still allows him to kill the snakes.

> Of course I saw it
> Good point, but then tell why even bother with shield if one slash with Totsuka and snakes would be gone.

Why overdoing something which could be done even faster ?

1) Susano'o could touch Yata mirror. Grabbing it is another thing entirely. It's not possible for Yata mirror to be grabbed by Susano'o.
2) It's partially correct.

1)Unless it is specified I have more reasons to believe that Susanoo uses grip force to wield these weapons.

It could be another canse if they were attached to Susanoo since activation, but BZ stated Itachi found them and equipped them to his Susanoo so unless he lied I believe it can be grabbed.

2) Good

1) Read above. Also I'm not sure about the chakra arms being not physical.

Of course.

I read . I am sure they aren't physcial because if they were how could they grab soul ?

Both Susanoo and chakra arm while being etheral can crush or catch something.

1) It's been addressed above.
2) No it isn't. I'm glad you acknowledged that it would only need primitive or basic senses to do so however. You've conceded the fact that Yata mirror itself does not need to be alive or intelligent to identify the user. I'm not saying that Yata mirror can btw, there is no evidence of that.

1) I already replied to it.
2) No problem. Well but I didn't agree that Yata can idenitfy the user, because there is no reasons from manga for me to believe otherwise.

1) I know.
2)I'm not really sure what you're getting at here. We don't see Yata at all when the explosion hits. Yet we see it perfectly intact afterwards as well as Susano'o. If you're suggesting that the explosion spread all around Susano'o then you must believe that Yata is able to change shape to cover Susano'o completely because there is no damage to it at all after the explosion.

1) Glad you know.
2) I meant that Yata can NOT spread/extend until the moment something hit it and then it expand to shield wielder at the biggest space possibly so attack won't reach Itachi.

But again this would require primitive intelligence from Yata, which I haven't seen any sings of that.

1) Mate you can see it for yourself. I haven't a clue how to prove to you that only Yata was hit other than telling you to look at the page again.

2) There is no point where the explosion hit Susano'o. Just look at the panel closer.

1) That is the problem. It is up to our interpretation what we see if image is described by words or it is not clearly visible what happened. Please try maybe you convince me about it.

2) Sure, I looked but I still can not recognize any specific trait which could confirm it was mirror extending upwards instead of blast of explosion simply being curved to irregular shape which was presented by line. so Upwards part of explosion was tanked by Complete Susanoo.

Refuted.

replied and refuted

What a shitty theory. You stated BZ is stupid only because you don't like his declaration of Yata's invincibility.
BZ is the being who manipulated everyone in order to revive Kaguya. His intelligence and puppet mastery surpasses all.


Manga FACTS disagree with your theory. Also Itachi solos Hagoromo low-mid diff.

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To manipulate someone when he is in the weakest moment while knowing where direct his anger is easy even for primitive being.

Posting recycyled scans which are off-topic that is the best you do.

Noone take you seriously, because you lack common sense, that all I can say to you.

All you can is just posting recycled stuff, and short retort which everyone is capable of, adding your issue with going off-topic and being rustled sorry but kid, I will not even bother with you.

Educate yourself and learn, because you don't know how debate, you only know how to post your bullshit opinion.

 

[Scryed]

Does Yata change it's properties to nullify an incoming attack?

 

[KCMNaruto]

Does Yata change it's properties to nullify an incoming attack?

according to databook, yes it does so that how magically Yata render any attack useless.