[Discussion] The way Yata Mirror really work, please no wank or trolling

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, I just would like to talk about Yata Mirror, the mechanism at based which it works etc.

FIRST, I am not denying or trying to go against databook or manga scan about it:

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^^ So I assume for that thread purpouse that it really render any attack useless.

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^^ same said what databook stated just in shortcut.

I disagree with "being Invincible" part because it is mere opinion of Black Zetsu which means jack shit.

Actually Black Zetsu is shown as stupid as kaguya with small difference which is better battle experience due to recording and watching countless shinobi battles, anyway he is no even close to intelligent being.

From Here I want to begin debate about Yata Mirror

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^^ if Yata is really omnidirectional being able to expand and move in all directions then why in this scan I posted Yata HAVING SAME SHAPE ALL THE TIME(so it wouldn't expand) was moved towards snakes ?

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^^Neither of Yata or Totsuka are supposed to have physical form, right ?

Yet both of them can be wielded by Susanoo which require Susanoo's grip on them, which requires force, right ?

I had small debate with Apex user, I respect him and all but I just don't get it, because he said Yata could not be grabbed by it's ends from bottom or up by chakra arm or susanoo limb and yet it can be grabbed by Itachi's Susanoo so does Yata think for itself or can it somehow identify user ?

I mean the above previous scans proved that Yata can not move by itself... so it is rather null point. Idenitfication of user sounds tricky as well as it would require intelligence for Yata too.

Lack of physical form eliminate possibility of Yata to have handle from just one side and not from other, right ?

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^^ Sasuke threw explosive notes attached to kunai at Yata in Itachi's direction and yet after explosion Yata didn't change it's shape.

finally Sasuke got pissed and try to threw bunch of explosive notes attached to kunai at Itachi:

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^^ it is not clear in second scan but most of Itachi fans assume Yata expanded to nuliffy that explosion, but why is it so hard to believe Complete Susanoo would tank it instead of Yata expanding, making it more complex if I earlier shown that it couldn't expand.

Summary : ​

• Yata is not omnidirectional and it can not act on it's own.
• Both Yata and Totsuka can be grabbed by outside force but only by end's of it.
• Both Yata and Totsuka are depending on wielder's reaction time and are manifested in chakra form once they take upon shape wielded by Susanoo.

Thanks for reading !

Please share discuss and share your point of views

 

[Kingu]

TBH the only downside I see is Itachi won't be able to shied for a long time or he will go blind.
So spam OP attack

 

[UzumakiWade]

Thee beware, as the Itachi fanboys be cometh.

 

[Suigetsu of the mist]

What happens when totsuka hits yata???

 

[KCMNaruto]

TBH the only downside I see is Itachi won't be able to shied for a long time or he will go blind.
So spam OP attack

Hmm.. sure that one of it.

However I would like to get debate about 3 points I included...

Thee beware, as the Itachi fanboys be cometh.

I was never afraid or bothered about them, just wish this time we get calm and logical debate instead of blind wank...

 

[The Legendary Noob]

people just blindly follow the hypebook's hype not realizing that yata can be kamui sniped and broken by Kabutowari

 

[Trúth]

I disagree with "being Invincible" part because it is mere opinion of Black Zetsu which means jack shit.

Actually Black Zetsu is shown as stupid as kaguya with small difference which is better battle experience due to recording and watching countless shinobi battles, anyway he is no even close to intelligent being.

> An opinion later validated by the databook.
> Black Zetsu was intelligent enough to completely manipulate the Uchiha clan for centuries and the battle experinxe only speaks in favor of Yata mirror. Despite seeing countless attacks and battles through the centuries he praised Tata as being able to easily had all of them.

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^^ if Yata is really omnidirectional being able to expand and move in all directions then why in this scan I posted Yata HAVING SAME SHAPE ALL THE TIME(so it wouldn't expand) was moved towards snakes ?

The way this was worded made it rather difficult to understand. It looks though as if you are trying to use a page where Yata did not need to change shape to shield Itachi from the attack as proof that it isn't capable of doing so. Rofl

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^^Neither of Yata or Totsuka are supposed to have physical form, right ?

That would be correct.

Yet both of them can be wielded by Susanoo which require Susanoo's grip on them, which requires force, right ?

1) Susanoo itself isn't physical. The user is able to let others walk in, or things leave.
2) It could be held by any number of ways without physical force. Bonded by chakra etc. At the end of the day, you have not a clue about how these weapons work, and the manga and databook have both stated them to not be physical.

I had small debate with Apex user, I respect him and all but I just don't get it, because he said Yata could not be grabbed by it's ends from bottom or up by chakra arm or susanoo limb and yet it can be grabbed by Itachi's Susanoo

It can't be grabbed in the sense you mean, but this is a fact that I already know is above your head from a few of your previous posts so don't even worry about it.

so does Yata think for itself or can it somehow identify user ?

I don't know that answer anymore than you do.

I mean the above previous scans proved that Yata can not move by itself... so it is rather null point.

Obviously it cannot just go for a walk. If you're referring to it's ability to change shape though, then please not that you failed to prove that completely.

Idenitfication of user sounds tricky as well as it would require intelligence for Yata too.

@bold No it would not.

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^^ Sasuke threw explosive notes attached to kunai at Yata in Itachi's direction and yet after explosion Yata didn't change it's shape.

> It didn't need to change shape. Those explosive kunai hit the shield dead on.
> why on earth would it change shape after the explosion, which means the kunai found a target to hit?

finally Sasuke got pissed and try to threw bunch of explosive notes attached to kunai at Itachi:

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^^ it is not clear in second scan but most of Itachi fans assume Yata expanded to nuliffy that explosion, but why is it so hard to believe Complete Susanoo would tank it instead of Yata expanding, making it more complex if I earlier shown that it couldn't expand.

> Because it didn't hit complete Susano'o. It clearly hit Yata.
> @Bold You did not show that. U_U

Summary : ​

• Yata is not omnidirectional and it can not act on it's own.
• Both Yata and Totsuka can be grabbed by outside force but only by end's of it.
• Both Yata and Totsuka are depending on wielder's reaction time and are manifested in chakra form once they take upon shape wielded by Susanoo.

> You proved neither point.
> Not in the sense you mean.
> Failed to prove.

I'll be back in a few hours.

 

[TrollingSage]

In before "yata is ethereal so can't be broken". So is susano, and that can definitely be broken

 

[Suigetsu of the mist]

In before "yata is ethereal so can't be broken". So is susano, and that can definitely be broken

your sig, lmaowtf

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Firstly, Yata mirror is not omnidirectional. It has a fixed shape. Furthermore Yata mirror and Totsuka blade are spiritual weapons with chakra residing within them, otherwise there's no possible way for Itachi's susano to keep a hold of them. They cannot exist only as a spiritual form. They must have chakra within them to keep them existing. And as you know, Preta path can absorb chakra, therefore making the weapons vulnerable against Preta path.​

 

[Chazzi]

Didn't read.
Yata blocks everything and is omnidirectional.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Well obviously kamui bypasses it as possibly other s/t.
Attacks from below (there are plenty) work fine.
Itachi has shit stamina anyway.
I would imagine other susanoos, mokuton constructs, toads may disarm itachi and get possession of items GG.

With this many counters i dont care if yata can tank OP attacks TBH.

 

[Conspirator.]

Fantastic analysis.

 

[KCMNaruto]

So much wrong I don't even....

I'll edit this post later.

Sure I will wait.

also what is wrong ? did I deny or neglect Yata's hype ?

Nope, I just adressed part of Yata Mirror of which we know nothing and can only deduce from what manga has shown us.

I don't see any wrong with it, but I am ready to listen your part and debate with you.

In before "yata is ethereal so can't be broken". So is susano, and that can definitely be broken

Well I don't even touch that part in this thread so whatever.

I only want to talk about part I touched.

Firstly, Yata mirror is not omnidirectional. It has a fixed shape. Furthermore Yata mirror and Totsuka blade are spiritual weapons with chakra residing within them, otherwise there's no possible way for Itachi's susano to keep a hold of them.​

Well, truth, although about chakra it is really debatable but I lean more towards that it has it.

They cannot exist only as a spiritual form. They must have chakra within them to keep them existing. And as you know, Preta path can absorb chakra, therefore making the weapons vulnerable against Preta path.

Well I am not going into that, so pleas refrain from talking about it.

Just adress the 3 points I included to talk about them.

Thanks for understanding

 

[Hàdes1]

Didnt Read As its just Bullshit.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Fantastic analysis.

Thank you buddy

Didn't read.
Yata blocks everything and is omnidirectional.

If you lack skills to read properly then go back to school and learn harder, nothing can be done aside of that.

Also if you can not adress the 3 points I adressed in my first post, then you simply admit your loss/ agreement with me.

Thank you for being such cooperative

Well obviously kamui bypasses it as possibly other s/t.
Attacks from below (there are plenty) work fine.
Itachi has shit stamina anyway.

Well Kamui and other s/t bypass it unless Yata exist across dimenssions which is nothing more fanfic.
idk about it, It depens if Itachi can move Yata in that direction fast enough, but I doubt it so yes it should do it.
I agree.

I would imagine other susanoos, mokuton constructs, toads may disarm itachi and get possession of items GG.

With this many counters i dont care if yata can tank OP attacks TBH.

I agree completly with you.

However although I respect and appreciate your efforts buddy, please try to adress three points I contained in my thread instead of touching another points/stuff.

Didnt Read As its just Bullshit.

^^ adress three points I included and prove it with scans on topic of course, not just in general.

Do it or else You's giving up is considered as agreement due to lack of arguments U_U

I challenge you

 

[giostep]

I agree with you. But the real problem with people that think Itachi is Sologod is that they think that he and all other ninja instantly use there most powerful techs. Like the battle starts and Sasuke will instantly start teleporting and using Indra's arrow, Nartuo will start a battle by spamming TBB, Kakashi will start sniping away, Madara will use IT (for no good damn reason), Hashirama will use his Dragon and golem and buddha, Hiruzen will summon enma, Nagato will use shuri tensai. They dont understand characters and the way they fight. They dont notice that we have seen Itachi use these weapons 2 time, and never did he begin a battle with it, he waited til he had a perfect opportunity before weilding them. That being said, most shinobi wont have to worry about these weapons, and Itachi is the type of fighter that if he gets you to the point that he can use these weapons on your then you would probably be beaten even if he used other techs (if you know what i mean).

 

[Ansatsuken]

There are many flaw on WILD Itachi fans logic, actually they are like insecure peoples, and also had superiority complex.

For me Yata mirror is not invincible, BZ opinion can't be used as a factor or proof here, He dont create Yata, he just learning from experience,

Yeah, he knew about Yata as a lagendery weapon and something about Yata ability, but that's all.

That is the first time he see Yata mirror is in use, that is mean, his judgement is still weak, unless he has an experiance of seeing Yata Mirror usage before Itachi. His words is baseless and cant be take into consideration.

Another aspect that peoples failed to grasp is Defend against spiritual attack,

Spiritual attack by Yata Mirror here is only covered what NV term or consider as spiritual attack. Most spiritual attack in NV mainly the by product of Yin-Yang elements. That is mean anything consisting Yin or Yang elements can be block by Yata, but Yin or Yang attack is divide by two meaning, spiritual body/physical attack and spiritual conceptual attack

-Spiritual Body attack is mean an attack that has shape/form but in spiritual manner example is Limbo, Tayuya worm, etc

-Spiritual Concept attack is mean an attack that not having any physical form even inside spiriual realm, example is Ganjutsu, Kamui, Imagination etc

And by Yata Mirror Blocking any spiritual attack by NV term is actually mean Spiritual Body Attack.

Keep in Mind, I'm here only used NB term and rule and not other fictional rule, its because Yata is created by Kishimoto, Naruto manga writer.

 

[BlazeRelease]

If you look closely at the explosion, a force field is formed. You can clearly see the lines. That's not expanding, but it did something to completely negate the damage 100%

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

Another Itachi hater. This is just sad.

1. It is called the Yata Mirror not the Yata Shield. What is a mirror? A mirror reflects whoever stands before it. The Yata Mirror is only being seen as how Itachi (the owner) wants it to be seen, like a Shield. The Kusanagi blade is a blade, the Totsuka Blade (aka Sagekari Sword) is a blade. The Yata Mirror is a mirror which reflects what d user wants to see. And it's only logical that Itachi wants it to be a shield because it is a defensive weapon. Use ur brain and don't let ur hate for Itachi cloud your judgement.

2. Do u even know d meaning of a spiritual item? Zetsu said it has no form but it 'changes its properties' to defend against an attack. And stop trying to use natural meaning on a supernatural anime.

3. The yata mirror deflects all things. DEAL WITH IT