Lol, I knew this scan was coming. Naruto merely outplayed Ay in that situation. Look at it this way (which is how it actually played out); Ay was anticipating where Naruto would be if he kept running (yes, Naruto was running with his base running speed). Ay did not go directly for Naruto's prior location, Ay went for the location Naruto would be at by the time he himself would be there. However, this anticipation was based solely on Naruto's running speed, not his Shunshin speed. Thus when Naruto shunshin'd, he reached a location that wasn't within Ay's anticipated location, and since Ay's movements are linear, he failed. Saying that if person a was running to punch person b who's walking, and then person b ends up dodging person a's punch by running implies person b's faster than person a, is not how it works. Someone is walking a millisecond before bullet is fired at his current location from 200 meters. Person begins running the millisecond it is fired, even though it was aimed at his walking position (which is only a few cm away), said person is likely to dodge. Person is now faster than a bullet? Nope.
Depends on how he dodges it. If Person A dodges Person B's punch by running, and getting a good 10 meters away as the punch misses, then yes, Person A is faster. If Person A merely dodges by moving his head or by ducking, then no, that doesn't mean that Person A moves faster.
Also, for the bullet example. If I fire a bullet at you, and you run the moment I fire and you dodge it, then yes, you are faster than a bullet. People dodge bullets in real life because they keep moving, making it hard for the person to aim correctly. Not to mention not all guns have good accuracy. If someone is in front of me, and they fire a bullet at me, and I manage to move a good 5-10 meters after they fire at me, then yes, I'm faster than a bullet.
Ay came at Naruto at top speed, and Naruto Shunshin'd out of the way and appeared 5-10 meters behind Ay. Meaning he had to have been faster to dodge that. Naruto getting to an area Ay wasn't prepared to hit doesn't help your argument since he'd need to be faster than Ay to outspeed him, thus reaching a safe area.
Could Naruto have done what he did without using Shunshin? Nope. He needed to be faster.
Then there's the
obvious portrayal here. Minato was shown to be faster than Ay, Kishimoto is clearly doing the same for Naruto.
Ok.
KCM Naruto<Ay in speed.
Lol, denying manga feats and parallels are we now?
Naruto was running while Itachi was firing Amateratsu, and was surprised it missed him. Hence IC Naruto is probable to get hit.
Pretty sure I already said this, but no, he wasn't.
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No movement until it's fired.
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No movement even when he thought Amaterasu was coming for him.
Because IC Naruto was running in circles when Itachi was about to initiate Amateratsu, and never once had a though of Shunshin'ing to safety or out of LoS.
Where in the world did "Running in circles" come from? Lol. Dude wasn't even moving. The rest is an assumption.
And Susano can be there to stop Naruto from doing anything even if he Shunshin's behind Itachi.
He can bust Susanoo open.
Not to mention, Itachi has shown that he can store Amateratsu beyond it's normal firing time, as shown vs Nagato. Same happens here, turns around this time though.
Why would he hold Amaterasu in place when he has no idea what Naruto will do to evade it? Not like it means anything. Ay was slower and he evaded it, so Naruto does it, again.
That actually helps my argument more, since Naruto couldn't mindly react to Amateratsu in the first place [
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Couldn't react to an attack not aimed at him? Not relevant.
Aren't you the one to always suggest the only way to counter genjutsu is disrupting your chakra flow, and chakra flow is not affected by Ninjutsu usage? Yet you are saying that chakra being used will disturb his chakra flow. Not how it works.
I never said Ninjutsu usage. Lol, so that ends this counter argument right here. I specifically said that if Naruto disturbs his chakra, the same will happen to the clones.
I understand Yata has little feats to back up it's several hyperboles. However, downplaying it without any regard for implications is not the way to go. Would you carry a wooden shield if you had an adamantine shield right behind it? Nope. Yet Itachi carries Yata in front of his Susano, implying Yata should be stronger than Susano's defences.
People tried this argument with PS and Kurama, that since PS is the one coating Kurama, it should be more durable, yet at the very most PS is equal with Kurama in durability. Then there is also the question of how much stronger would it be?
Sasuke has used his bow as a shield for his Complete Susanoo, doesn't mean that Susanoo is more durable than the bow.
Not to mention Shield plus Susanoo>Susanoo on it's own even if the shield isn't more durable than Susanoo, so this argument isn't even rock solid.
Surely it has a limit, I know Juubi's TBB would vaporise every inch of it. I know superman can destroy it with a flick. But saying FRS is stronger than it after it's been hyperbolised by Zetsu (who we now know is Kaguya's will, meaning his knowledge is somewhat admissible), and Kishi in his DB's. And the fact that it's being used by Susano, which wouldn't need a weaker-than-itself-shield in front of it.
So you are telling me that FRS can't destroy it, because it's been "hyperbolised" by Zetsu? Faulty argument. I can use the same exact argument and say it can tank whatever I want, just because Zetsu, Kaguya's will, hyped it to be indestructible. Can't use the hyperbole to support one thing and then not use it to support something else.
Either way, when a small Shinra Tensei had enough outward force to make FRS disperse, than Yata Mirror, which can change its properties in accordance to FRS a
nd then send an identical attack back would also trump and thus
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it as it reflected the Hydra heads at extreme angles.
Yata changes its own properties to block the attack. I don't know what you people think properties mean, but properties refer to it's physical properties. I don't know where this "It'll change into this attack to counter that attack" stuff came from, but little in the Databook even begins to support that. Yata isn't going to send back an identical attack. Shields don't attack.
It reflected the Hydra's heads because it is a mirror, which reflects the attack after it's blocked it, if it can block it. That wasn't because it produced some repulsive, Shinra Tensei esque attack.
Reflecting Hydra's means it can produce a massive amount of force against an incoming attack. A large force against FRS will force it to disperse similarly to how Shinra Tensei's force made it disperse.
Uh. no.
Ok.
-Again, I'd agree, but FRS does not explode
Outright denying manga fact, again.
so that is merely debris from the CT.
Uh, if that were debris from the CT, then it'd just be rocks. That isn't debris. The only debris you see is the pieces of rocks tossed up into the air. That is obviously an explosion, I've already shown you the comparisons. "FRS doesn't explode" isn't a counter argument, especially when it does, every time it's been used.
FRS cuts at the target with reasonable cutting power and then expands. You can clearly see that in a location with far less debris, the smoke was far lower in quantity [
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I post a scan of FRS exploding, and then a comparison to show it's an explosion....
-You say it's not an explosion.
Nice counter argument. Lol.
FRS cuts, and explodes. It can expand if Naruto wants, but other than that, it explodes.
-Exploded when they were training with Yamato and against Kakuzu, hence large ass crater in the ground.
-Exploded against the Third Raikage.
-Exploded when Naruto threw it in the CT crater.
"It's just debirs" is a terrible counter argument since debris from CT would be rocks and smoke, not an explosion. Lol.
-And my god.. That's not how scaling works. Chou Rasengan cannot be scaled because it has a lack of feats, so scaling from rasengan to it is not possible in the first place.
Learn how power scaling works. Why in the world would Chou Rasengan need feats to power scale a normal Rasengan to it's level? Rasengan increases in power with size, unless there is some special chakra making it stronger. Take the power behind Chidori, and scale it up to Chou Oodama Rasengan's level (based on the increase in size) and you have Chou Oodama Rasengan's power level. Something equal to Rasengan did that much damage to the rock. Something that many times larger than Rasengan will do something similar to a rock that much larger than the boulder.
2. Scaling is not accurate, and the crater Chidori causes is not the hole rasengan causes. Last I checked Rasengan at that stage was only going through a small part of the tree (by Jiraiya).
You're right, Rasengan causes a bigger hole, but more shallow hole due to the Nature of it's attack. More explosive while Chidori is more focused. Irrelevant in the end since the power used to make that crater is all that is relevant. Unless you are denying that Rasengan=Chidori, to which I only have to say.....stop denying manga fact.
Not to mention that was PT 1. Sasuke and PT. 1 Naruto's Chidori I'm talking about, not even Part 2 Sasuke's Chidori and Part 2 Naruto's Rasengan.
Scan?
Rasengan Tarengan cannot be scaled, and ergo FRS cannot be scaled either.
Except it can.
Except, it can be.
-Chidori does that damage to a boulder.
-Rasengan=Chidori. (Manga Fact)
-Rasengan does that damage to a boulder. (Probably a different crater due to the nature of Rasengan, not as focused as Chidori)
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is many dozens times larger than a normal Rasengan. (Fact)
-Rasengan's power increases with size if the chakra used to form it is the same. (Fact)
-Chou Oodama Rasengan is many dozens times stronger than Rasengan.
-Take that boulder, and scale it up in size by the difference in size between Chou Oodama and the normal Rasengan. That'd be a large hill or a small Mountain.
-Chou Oodama does the same thing Rasengan would, which would be something similar to what Chidori would do.
-Naruto used a Senpo: Chou Rasengan Barrage. Add Senjutsu to one of those Rasengan (which is already a big boost.
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and Raikiri is even more focused) and then take that Senpo Rasengan and multiply it by 25, as that's how many Rasengans hit Kurama at once.
-Take that small hill/large Mountain and hit it 25 times, and you have a small hill large mountain that has a good portion of it caved into.
-FRS is much stronger, as Kurama immediately recovered from the barrage, but was reeling in pain from FRS.
If you disagree, point out why. "That's not how you scale" isn't a valid counter since that is how you power scale. Don't know what kind of scaling you are talking about. Why would feats be needed for Chou Oodama Rasengan if we are using power scaling to get it's power? Same concept with Naruto and Sasuke's Avatars. Equal after the power boost, so scale down, take away the power boost, and they are equal again despite Sasuke's PS having no feats.
Not to mention I am not one for the mind feats. It didn't happen in the real world, it happened in his mind. The same mind which allowed Sasuke to make Kurama explode by pinching his nose [
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Really now? All that's going to do is make Naruto's moves stronger (assuming he did get some kind of a buff), and Kurama weaker, not gonna change the difference in power between Naruto's attacks. Just like Naruto and Sasuke's Avatars being equal. An equal power up didn't make the difference larger, it just made the Avatars stronger. Lol. So nice try, but no dice.
And what? If one FRS fails to scratch it, then the second FRS will fail the same way. They do not directly and collectively amplify each other's power.
If they hit individually, obviously. If they hit at the same time, obviously you are wrong. Two people kicking a door will do more damage than one kicking the door. At the same time obviously.
Yata stops any of them at point 1
Except it has nothing that'd lead me to believe it'd tank multiple FRS.
and then v4 stops any of them even if Yata was not there, because there's nothing suggesting FRS has enough power to go through a v4, let alone a Yata backed up v4.
Yata gets busted, V4 gets busted and Itachi gets killed.
Yes, but at different locations. So if one fails to scratch at point 1, then 100 fail to scratch at a 100 different points. If you are saying the needles will be doing anything to Susano, then Lol.
Except the explosion is far larger than Susanoo, so it gets hit at all points, by every FRS used.
Except FRS isn't just needles, it's a concentrated explosion. "Needles" can't make large craters in the ground. I hope you aren't going to go down the "FRS=Needles so it can't take out Susanoo" path. Lol. I really hope you aren't.
Sure, Yata can change it's properties to stop an attack, doesn't mean it has the capability to stop every attack, which is what pretty much everybody who tries and argue for the mirror claims, based on "mechanics", and stating it can do so with no evidence means that you are just using the No Limits Fallacy.
