[Discussion] Rank the strongest people at punk hazard

[OG sama]

I think vergo is a little overrated basically all he has is his haki. Yes it is one of the best haki we've seen thus far but that's the only thing that Should worry zoro. I don't think vergos fighting style would be that much of a problem for zoro. I mean law basically one shotted him after getting his heart back. People say that he low diffed sanji when he didn't even land a hit on him. He did fracture sanjis leg but sanji was already injured. I think if sanji went all out and was healthy he could maybe give vergo a fight. by power scaling zoro using asura with haki has a good chance to cut vergos haki in my opinion, especially since zoro Is supposed specialize in armament haki.

Well a battle between them would be high or extreme diff, that seemed to be one of Laws strongest slashes and he didn't even ad Koka to it. I say its high diff for Zoro if Asura is still his strongest attack. And Sanji at full health and with decent koka could go either way, or Vergo high diff.

 

[Hexuze]

I think vergo is a little overrated basically all he has is his haki. Yes it is one of the best haki we've seen thus far but that's the only thing that Should worry zoro. I don't think vergos fighting style would be that much of a problem for zoro. I mean law basically one shotted him after getting his heart back. People say that he low diffed sanji when he didn't even land a hit on him. He did fracture sanjis leg but sanji was already injured. I think if sanji went all out and was healthy he could maybe give vergo a fight. by power scaling zoro using asura with haki has a good chance to cut vergos haki in my opinion, especially since zoro Is supposed specialize in armament haki.

I think he's pretty underrated. He is pretty fast and able to match up with Sanji for a while. That kick that fractured his leg was done casually and without CoA. I believe Sanji should be able to push Vergo to mid-diff. and Zoro would be able to push Vergo to high-diff. How can you say an asura with haki can cut Vergo's haki? I'm not believing that with the feats we've seen thus far.

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

I think he's pretty underrated. He is pretty fast and able to match up with Sanji for a while. That kick that fractured his leg was done casually and without CoA. I believe Sanji should be able to push Vergo to mid-diff. and Zoro would be able to push Vergo to high-diff. How can you say an asura with haki can cut Vergo's haki? I'm not believing that with the feats we've seen thus far.

I mean pica and vergo have the same Title and zoro isn't having that much trouble with pica. Vergos non haki kicks aren't putting a dent on zoros swords. So if they both fight with no haki it's no problem for zoro. We don't know how good zoros haki is because he didn't really have to use it. But by power scaling his post ts asura and since he's supposed to specialize in that haki I'm assuming he has a good chance to cut though vergos haki. Maybe oda didn't have zoro fight vergo on punk hazard beacase they both could of pushed each other to go all out and oda wanted law to be the one to beat vergo and maybe he wanted to save some big feats for zoro in his later fights.

 

[Punk Hazard]

zoro isn't having that much trouble with pica.

Is that why Pica's been defeated?

 

[Hexuze]

I mean pica and vergo have the same Title and zoro isn't having that much trouble with pica. Vergos non haki kicks aren't putting a dent on zoros swords. So if they both fight with no haki it's no problem for zoro. We don't know how good zoros haki is because he didn't really have to use it. But by power scaling his post ts asura and since he's supposed to specialize in that haki I'm assuming he has a good chance to cut though vergos haki. Maybe oda didn't have zoro fight vergo on punk hazard beacase they both could of pushed each other to go all out and oda wanted law to be the one to beat vergo and maybe he wanted to save some big feats for zoro in his later fights.

Pica still looks relatively healthy and Zoro looks slightly fatigued. I don't think he'll be able to beat Vergo as of now but it could change once we see the fight finish. Oda didn't have Zoro fight Vergo because he would get defeated. He rarely lets Zoro get defeated by an opponent that's stronger than him or one that can outclass him.

 

[Bogard]

Pica is fine because he fights indirectly so far, since he attacks while being deeply covered by massive amounts of rocks(and to get the original body, it must go through that massive amount of rock before actually touching the original, giving him more than enough time to get out of the way with his near instantaneous movement speed around the rocks), making him close to invincible defensively in this case due to his great staying power, but his combat ability in itself is inferior to Zoro's(at least from what he showed so far) since despite having basically the entire country as his weapon, he never managed to land a hit on him yet

For the Vergo/Zoro thing, in PH Zoro felt Vergo's aura and we know through Rayleigh that with the aura, you can determine one's combat ability, yet he left Sanji deal with him. He never gave me the impression that he thought Vergo was an opponent impossible to overcome

 

[Punk Hazard]

Pica is fine because he fights indirectly so far, since he attacks while being deeply covered by massive amounts of rocks(and to get the original body, it must go through that massive amount of rock before actually touching the original, giving him more than enough time to get out of the way with his near instantaneous movement speed around the rocks), making him close to invincible defensively in this case due to his great staying power, but his combat ability in itself is inferior to Zoro's(at least from what he showed so far) since despite having basically the entire country as his weapon, he never managed to land a hit on him yet

For the Vergo/Zoro thing, in PH Zoro felt Vergo's aura and we know through Rayleigh that with the aura, you can determine one's combat ability, yet he left Sanji deal with him. He never gave me the impression that he thought Vergo was an opponent impossible to overcome

Nah, Zoro has some minor bruises.

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It's not major of course, but it shows Pica has made a scratch or two on him.

 

[Bogard]

Nah, Zoro has some minor bruises.

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It's not major of course, but it shows Pica has made a scratch or two on him.

The bruises came from him falling on the ground with the dust and all

 

[Punk Hazard]

The bruises came from him falling on the ground with the dust and all

He didn't fall on the ground, Pica removed his foothold and drove him into the ground with a punch. Pica still did it, but he did nothing major.

 

[Bogard]

He didn't fall on the ground, Pica removed his foothold and drove him into the ground with a punch. Pica still did it, but he did nothing major.

Even if it were true, he is fighting a rock assimilation monster on a rock environment. It's highly unlikely not to receive bruises when the simple fact of cutting rock creates dust all around. Just in that chapter where he gets punched by the rock golem, the moment he cut the golem, he was located basically within the rock golem's fist with all the dust and all. It's like playing soccer on a beach for example. I'm not even certain if it is really bruises or if it's just dust btw

 

[Love Cook]

Even if it were true, he is fighting a rock assimilation monster on a rock environment. It's highly unlikely not to receive bruises when the simple fact of cutting rock creates dust all around. Just in that chapter where he gets punched by the rock golem, the moment he cut the golem, he was located basically within the rock golem's fist with all the dust and all. It's like playing soccer on a beach for example. I'm not even certain if it is really bruises or if it's just dust btw

Do you have an excuse for everything or is it so hard to believe that he took a hit.

No the dust from the stones that got on him when he fell, that is way more likely... I bet Oda is taking that into account every time he draws a Zoro scene.

Also Zoro is no Rayleigh, CoO isn't even his specialty. When Luffy sensed Caribou in the palace he called him an animal, he didn't even know it was a guy. So it's more likely that Zoro knew shit about Vergo at that point. Because if he did he would've known that Vergo was the biggest threat on PH and he should've gone and helped instead of riding the Brownbeard bus, because he literally had nothing better to do.

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

Pica still looks relatively healthy and Zoro looks slightly fatigued. I don't think he'll be able to beat Vergo as of now but it could change once we see the fight finish. Oda didn't have Zoro fight Vergo because he would get defeated. He rarely lets Zoro get defeated by an opponent that's stronger than him or one that can outclass him.

Is that why Pica's been defeated?

We have to wait for oda to the show the fight so we can see what difficulty pica gives zoro. we will probably see new feats from zoro and pica. After we get more feats from both maybe we'll have a better idea for the power ranking for zoro, pica, and vergo

 

[Hexuze]

We have to wait for oda to the show the fight so we can see what difficulty pica gives zoro. we will probably see new feats from zoro and pica. After we get more feats from both maybe we'll have a better idea for the power ranking for zoro, pica, and vergo

Vergo is stronger than Pica, that's a given.

 

[Punk Hazard]

We have to wait for oda to the show the fight so we can see what difficulty pica gives zoro. we will probably see new feats from zoro and pica. After we get more feats from both maybe we'll have a better idea for the power ranking for zoro, pica, and vergo

Zoro started fighting Pica so long ago. In the time it took Law and Luffy to push through the nutcracker toys, climb the plateau, deal with the fake Doffy, get to the main room where Doffy in, for Usopp to knock out Sugar again, for Law and Luffy to clash with Doffy, get separated, Luffy to beat up the fake Doffy while Law combat Doffy and got his arm severed off, Zoro has made little progress against Pica. That means difficulty.

 

[Bogard]

Zoro started fighting Pica so long ago. In the time it took Law and Luffy to push through the nutcracker toys, climb the plateau, deal with the fake Doffy, get to the main room where Doffy in, for Usopp to knock out Sugar again, for Law and Luffy to clash with Doffy, get separated, Luffy to beat up the fake Doffy while Law combat Doffy and got his arm severed off, Zoro has made little progress against Pica. That means difficulty.

During a great part of the fight, he didn't even know how Pica's ability works and when you don't know how Pica's ability works, it's a waste of your strength/time. It has nothing to do with the difficulty. I think the difficulty will be truly seen when we will have a better idea around Zoro's current knowledge on Pica's ability and the actual fight progression

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

Vergo is stronger than Pica, that's a given.

So far with the feats shown Vergo beats pica for sure but you never know what feats pica might get.

Zoro started fighting Pica so long ago. In the time it took Law and Luffy to push through the nutcracker toys, climb the plateau, deal with the fake Doffy, get to the main room where Doffy in, for Usopp to knock out Sugar again, for Law and Luffy to clash with Doffy, get separated, Luffy to beat up the fake Doffy while Law combat Doffy and got his arm severed off, Zoro has made little progress against Pica. That means difficulty.

All of that has been off paneled. they both could just be testing each other out or maybe one of them is trying and the other isn't. For sure none of them used their full powers yet. We're actually about to see the fight so wait until then until we actually see them fighting consistently.

 

[Hexuze]

So far with the feats shown Vergo beats pica for sure but you never know what feats pica might get.

Vergo is Doffy's first mate. It's like saying Lucky Roo is stronger than Benn Beckman, it doesn't add up. Like you said, by feats Vergo wins and I doubt Pica will show feats that'll prove he's stronger than Vergo.

 

[Punk Hazard]

During a great part of the fight, he didn't even know how Pica's ability works and when you don't know how Pica's ability works, it's a waste of your strength/time. It has nothing to do with the difficulty. I think the difficulty will be truly seen when we will have a better idea around Zoro's current knowledge on Pica's ability and the actual fight progression

Pica's ability being tricky adds to the difficulty, it doesn't negate it.

So far with the feats shown Vergo beats pica for sure but you never know what feats pica might get.



All of that has been off paneled. they both could just be testing each other out or maybe one of them is trying and the other isn't. For sure none of them used their full powers yet. We're actually about to see the fight so wait until then until we actually see them fighting consistently.

And? It was off-panelled, but the fact remains that Zoro has been unable to defeat Pica, and he's been trying to defeat Pica. It's not like Zoro is doing this cuz he's bored.

 

[kyubbi sagemode]

Vergo is Doffy's first mate. It's like saying Lucky Roo is stronger than Benn Beckman, it doesn't add up. Like you said, by feats Vergo wins and I doubt Pica will show feats that'll prove he's stronger than Vergo.

Pica's ability being tricky adds to the difficulty, it doesn't negate it.


And? It was off-panelled, but the fact remains that Zoro has been unable to defeat Pica, and he's been trying to defeat Pica. It's not like Zoro is doing this cuz he's bored.

We're about to see more fighting between zoro and pica soon so let's just wait and see how oda portrays them

 

[Punk Hazard]

We're about to see more fighting between zoro and pica soon so let's just wait and see how oda portrays them

He's obviously portrayed Zoro as stronger, but he's still having difficulty. Even if Zoro one-shots Pica in the next chapter, he still had difficulty getting to that point.