You mean use CT/Deva path on Madara himself? What is stopping him from escaping with Limbo? Or using Deva himself?or throwing TSB at Sasuke? Or using his solo lightning?
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It moves at the same speed as Kirin, Sasuke can use his ST to escape, but after 2-3 uses his ST has a cooldown so Madara can use his lightning to win.
And no, there is no way Sasuke is draining Madara with preta path here
Lmao this guy has been making the worst assumptions I've ever seen each and every post is nonsense
Ranton moves the same speed as kirin? How do u figure? Lol
So naruto is that fast he could throw something at kirin before it strikes?
manga facts sasuke can absorb biju chakra and seal using ct and add senjutsu to the attacks he already has
Madara can die he stated it against guy
Juubi jin can run out of chakra as noted by bz
Yes madara would stand there and get atleast a portion of the biju chakra took
And they clearly are still separate in the juubi and its jin as seen when obito literally took the 1&8 chakra from madara and when kayuga was struck by narutos 9 biju rs they each manifested along with the rabbit head
And why is that? I remember a base Obito accomplishing as much. How many times did Obito use Petra Path though? A legitimate question. How Many times did Madara use it? Another legitimate question. I am talking about Jubi Jins in both cases.
Did I say it was PP? The point is chakra volume. You have zero proof to state that he won't be able to pull it out, when within a Tiny fraction of Sage'spower, Obito was able to pull out enough for Naruto. But when Sasuke has half of Hogoromo's power, such a feat is an impossibility.
Madara fans at it again? Sigh. Sasuke, in his strongest form, is stronger than Madara in his strongest form. Given analysis of their feats, this should be fairly obvious. Madara>Rinnegan Sasuke without bijus and last Sasuke. Biju Sasuke>Madara.
Rinne Sharingan does jack for Madara. It just lets him use IT, which isn't a threat to Sasuke anyway. This was Madara fanfiction.
Limbo's useless against Sasuke, as he can see them and damage them.(they can't be fully destroyed, but they can obviously be hindered)
Now, on to Susanoo. Assuming Madara has it (which we have no evidence of), would only slightly stronger than Rinnegan Sasuke's. Think about it, Sasuke's chakra is a complete match for Naruto's, who has RSM which is equivalent to Juubi Jins, and has comparable physical attributes to Madara.
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Biju susanoo Sasuke ends Madara, as he has far more power. Unless you're implying Madara can do the same thing as Sasuke (baseless assumption, and that'd take away from his own Rikkudo chakra)
Here's where Madara fans really screw up. In their minds Madara(Rinnegan+juubi)>Sasuke(rinnegan+bijus) That's a simplistic, and absolutely false way to view it. Here's the truth. Madara was not granted Hagoromo's chakra like Sasuke was. The truth is, it's Sasuke(Hagoromo's Rikkudo chakra+rinnegan+bijus)>Madara(rinnegan+juubi)
The strength of Madara's chakra comes almost entirely from his eyes and bijus. Sasuke's comes from his eye, the bijus, and the chakra Hagoromo granted him(it's a separate thing from the rinnegan). The chakra from a biju PS would exceed the chakra from Madara's PS(assuming he has one)
Now, how does Sasuke finish him? I see people quickly forget about the 6 paths. Did you guys forget human path and preta path? Once Madara's weakened, Sasuke could drain his biju chakra (like what he did to Naruto), then, tear out Madara's soul.
The OP meant 3 eyes juubi jin Madara that is featless, that is mean Madara fans and Sasuke fans cant say much by only rely on what manga has shown, most feats shown by JJ Madara only happen from one rinnegan JJ Madara, that is not full potential JJ Madara while Sasuke Rinnegan eye is equaled to two rinnegan eyes plus some added power that is S/T technique.
Even I saw a biased from Kishi there and also some aspull
When Madara absorbed Shinju, his new power just a very lacklustre lightning power, wheres Sasuke by just WATCHING, able to pull mind bending and extravagant power, what???? Just from watchingO_O, who is Sasuke watching Kishi??
But still I'm going with 3 eyes JJ Madara here.
I dont have enough proof to side with Sasuke in feats only not as favourite character.
Madara fans at it again? Sigh. Sasuke, in his strongest form, is stronger than Madara in his strongest form. Given analysis of their feats, this should be fairly obvious. Madara>Rinnegan Sasuke without bijus and last Sasuke. Biju Sasuke>Madara.
Rinne Sharingan does jack for Madara. It just lets him use IT, which isn't a threat to Sasuke anyway. This was Madara fanfiction.
Limbo's useless against Sasuke, as he can see them and damage them.(they can't be fully destroyed, but they can obviously be hindered)
Now, on to Susanoo. Assuming Madara has it (which we have no evidence of), would only slightly stronger than Rinnegan Sasuke's. Think about it, Sasuke's chakra is a complete match for Naruto's, who has RSM which is equivalent to Juubi Jins, and has comparable physical attributes to Madara.
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Biju susanoo Sasuke ends Madara, as he has far more power. Unless you're implying Madara can do the same thing as Sasuke (baseless assumption, and that'd take away from his own Rikkudo chakra)
Here's where Madara fans really screw up. In their minds Madara(Rinnegan+juubi)>Sasuke(rinnegan+bijus) That's a simplistic, and absolutely false way to view it. Here's the truth. Madara was not granted Hagoromo's chakra like Sasuke was. The truth is, it's Sasuke(Hagoromo's Rikkudo chakra+rinnegan+bijus)>Madara(rinnegan+juubi)
The strength of Madara's chakra comes almost entirely from his eyes and bijus. Sasuke's comes from his eye, the bijus, and the chakra Hagoromo granted him(it's a separate thing from the rinnegan). The chakra from a biju PS would exceed the chakra from Madara's PS(assuming he has one)
Now, how does Sasuke finish him? I see people quickly forget about the 6 paths. Did you guys forget human path and preta path? Once Madara's weakened, Sasuke could drain his biju chakra (like what he did to Naruto), then, tear out Madara's soul.
I don't get why people praise Naruto and Sasuke for receiving half of Hagoromo's chakra. You realize that Madara's chakra is from the Holy Tree, which is better and more lasting than Hagoromo's, right? Not to mention that Madara's natural chakra is similar to Hagoromo's, since his DNA combines his and Hashirama's into one.
You guys forgot something really important... Madara lost 8 of his gudoudamas + the rikudou stuff due to Gai and Minato's team..
Then think again.. what about 3 Eyed Madara juubi + shinju jinchuuriki + all of his gudoudamas and the rikudou stuff?
I don't get why people praise Naruto and Sasuke for receiving half of Hagoromo's chakra. You realize that Madara's chakra is from the Holy Tree, which is better and more lasting than Hagoromo's, right? Not to mention that Madara's natural chakra is similar to Hagoromo's, since his DNA combines his and Hashirama's into one.
Even in his Jubi form, Madara was simply trying to get closer to the Sage - a failed endeavour, obviously. Not to mention the chakra he took from Hashirama was contained in a tiny meat ball.
What Holy Tree? The Holy Tree is the Juubi's final form as the manga states.
Even in his Jubi form, Madara was simply trying to get closer to the Sage - a failed endeavour, obviously. Not to mention the chakra he took from Hashirama was contained in a tiny meat ball.
What Holy Tree? The Holy Tree is the Juubi's final form as the manga states.
The amount of chakra he stole doesn't matter. He used his DNA, which is engineered to produce Ashura's chakra, and then used it to remodify his own DNA. That means he now generates his own and Hashirama's, not just clinging to the little he may have had in his flesh.
Don't know what you mean by that last question. The ten-tails is the Holy Tree, yes, but the chakra of the beasts and the tree form itself can exist independently.
And why is that? I remember a base Obito accomplishing as much. How many times did Obito use Petra Path though? A legitimate question. How Many times did Madara use it? Another legitimate question. I am talking about Jubi Jins in both cases.
Did I say it was PP? The point is chakra volume. You have zero proof to state that he won't be able to pull it out, when within a Tiny fraction of Sage'spower, Obito was able to pull out enough for Naruto. But when Sasuke has half of Hogoromo's power, such a feat is an impossibility.
Obito tricked Madara into thinking that he was an ally.Madara was having a speach how Obito was "Madara" and that he could still be the savior and Obito started running towards him. Madara thought that Obito was on his side, so he didn't expect Obito to touch him.There's no way that he'll think that Sasuke is an ally if it's mindset BL. The moment Sasuke uses his ST he will Limbo Sasuke away.
Lmao this guy has been making the worst assumptions I've ever seen each and every post is nonsense
Ranton moves the same speed as kirin? How do u figure? Lol
So naruto is that fast he could throw something at kirin before it strikes?
manga facts sasuke can absorb biju chakra and seal using ct and add senjutsu to the attacks he already has
Madara can die he stated it against guy
Juubi jin can run out of chakra as noted by bz
Yes madara would stand there and get atleast a portion of the biju chakra took
And they clearly are still separate in the juubi and its jin as seen when obito literally took the 1&8 chakra from madara and when kayuga was struck by narutos 9 biju rs they each manifested along with the rabbit head
Madara stated that he can die before absorbing the Shinju.After absorbing it he stated that he can't die &that he will live forever.
Why wouldn't his JUUBI JIN KEKEI GENKAI RAITON move the same speed as Kirin? It's basically lightning. +Naruto needed to use a TSB rod to evade it, if it wasn't at least as fast as Kirin he wouldn't have to resort to that.
Sasuke doesn't have Senjutsu ,Sage's chakra=/= senjutsu, it's been considered a valid fact on NB for about 3 months now,and he absorbed a small portion of Kurama's chakra WHILE Naruto was on the ground exhausted. This is Shinjudara with Limbo. He ain't touching him.
He only noted that it costs a lot of chakra. And that jutsu OVERVRITES A DIMENSION. 1 eye rinnedara doesn't use any chakra taxing
jutsus.
He wouldn't stand there,he'd Limbo Sasuke's ass, Sasuke's ST has a cooldown, he can't spam it
And why is that? I remember a base Obito accomplishing as much. How many times did Obito use Petra Path though? A legitimate question. How Many times did Madara use it? Another legitimate question. I am talking about Jubi Jins in both cases.
Did I say it was PP? The point is chakra volume. You have zero proof to state that he won't be able to pull it out, when within a Tiny fraction of Sage'spower, Obito was able to pull out enough for Naruto. But when Sasuke has half of Hogoromo's power, such a feat is an impossibility.
I don't know how you think Sasuke can pull out chakra from a sealed juubi like how he did from the bijuus under his control. Manga showed us that Sasuke needs the bijuus under his genjutsu to get their chakra, and that's my proof. There is nothing there to think that he can absorb 3 bijuus worth of chakra from bijuus under Madara's control.
The amount of chakra he stole doesn't matter. He used his DNA, which is engineered to produce Ashura's chakra, and then used it to remodify his own DNA. That means he now generates his own and Hashirama's, not just clinging to the little he may have had in his flesh.
Don't know what you mean by that last question. The ten-tails is the Holy Tree, yes, but the chakra of the beasts and the tree form itself can exist independently.
You mean his own diluted Indra's chakra and that tiny, insignificant piece of Ashura's chakra he had in that tiny meatball? That shouldn't even be up for consideration as Sasuke's own or Naruto's own chakra. All of them are severally diluted. Naruto and Sasuke on the other hand received raw Hogoromo chakra. It would be ****ing colossal in volume and the most potent chakra known to man after Kaguya. Unmatched by anyone in the present times by an infinitely vast margin.
The Jubi is the The Holy Tree. It belched it out itself from its mouth. It's one of its forms. I suggest you reread the God Tree Chapter to clear your confusion.
I don't know how you think Sasuke can pull out chakra from a sealed juubi like how he did from the bijuus under his control. Manga showed us that Sasuke needs the bijuus under his genjutsu to get their chakra, and that's my proof. There is nothing there to think that he can absorb 3 bijuus worth of chakra from bijuus under Madara's control.
The were put under genjutsu to trap them, not to pull out chakra. Do you any evidence that it cannot be done otherwise, when we have even weapons like Samehada pulling out Bijuu chakra from perfect Jins without any paralysis induced? But petra path fails? Without any proof, what you are going for, is nothing but speculation, when Nagato is the living proof of that.
He's a Jin, and that's it. If chakra can be pulled out from other Jins via petra path, then he's no different. This is nothing but speculation.
Obito tricked Madara into thinking that he was an ally.Madara was having a speach how Obito was "Madara" and that he could still be the savior and Obito started running towards him. Madara thought that Obito was on his side, so he didn't expect Obito to touch him.There's no way that he'll think that Sasuke is an ally if it's mindset BL. The moment Sasuke uses his ST he will Limbo Sasuke away.
No, you said he cannot be touched. When I proved to you he can be. Your statement carried a sense of impossibility of the task, when Sasuke easily blitzed and bisected him.
The Limbo also has a cool down period, mind you. It isn't as cut and dry as you imagine it to be.
The OP meant 3 eyes juubi jin Madara that is featless, that is mean Madara fans and Sasuke fans cant say much by only rely on what manga has shown, most feats shown by JJ Madara only happen from one rinnegan JJ Madara, that is not full potential JJ Madara while Sasuke Rinnegan eye is equaled to two rinnegan eyes plus some added power that is S/T technique.
Even I saw a biased from Kishi there and also some aspull
When Madara absorbed Shinju, his new power just a very lacklustre lightning power, wheres Sasuke by just WATCHING, able to pull mind bending and extravagant power, what???? Just from watchingO_O, who is Sasuke watching Kishi??
But still I'm going with 3 eyes JJ Madara here.
I dont have enough proof to side with Sasuke in feats only not as favourite character.
bold 1. and if we go by that, its clear who wins, i said that before. jj madaras feats are really not anything to brag about at least nothing sasuke cant handle. all what he showed can easily countered by sasuke who has showne much better dc with hes soosano.
bold 2.actually in feats only, theres enough proof that sasuke can beat this guy, cant say the same for madara, meh ill leave it at that but i totally agree with sennin of logic.
Sasuke doesn't have Senjutsu ,Sage's chakra=/= senjutsu, it's been considered a valid fact on NB for about 3 months now,and he absorbed a small portion of Kurama's chakra WHILE Naruto was on the ground exhausted. This is Shinjudara with Limbo. He ain't touching him.
he does have senjutsu, so your so called "valid fact" is garbage, who cares if some folks in denial dont want to admit something? doesnt make it valid one bit.
You mean his own diluted Indra's chakra and that little Ashura chakra he had in that tiny meatball? That shouldn't be up for consideration as Sasuke's own or Naruto's own chakra. All of them are severally diluted. Naruto and Sasuke on the other hand received raw Hogoromo chakra. It would be ****ing colossal in volume and the most potent chakra known to man after Kaguya.
The Jubi is the The Holy Tree. It belched it out itself from its mouth. It's one of its forms. I suggest you reread the God Tree Chapter to clear your confusion.
Nothing suggests that the chakra is diluted. This isn't genetics, it's reincarnation, where Ashura and Indra actually are attaching themselves to the reincarnates. Either way, you don't realize that quantity doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if Hashirama's flesh had none of his chakra. His DNA has instructions on how to generate Ashura's chakra. Madara's now has instructions on how to combine Ashura's and Indra's into one.
If you believe chakra from spirits is diluted, then the amount Naruto and Sasuke received from Hagoromo is also. You also can't say for sure how "colossal" it is because Hagoromo no longer has the chakra of the ten-tails or the full amount he had before he became a host.
I have no confusion. If anything, you do. I already said that the ten-tails is the Holy Tree. You, however, restate what I said and then proceed to add the fiction of "belching", which was never mentioned in the manga.
Nothing suggests that the chakra is diluted. This isn't genetics, it's reincarnation, where Ashura and Indra actually are attaching themselves to the reincarnates. Either way, you don't realize that quantity doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if Hashirama's flesh had none of his chakra. His DNA has instructions on how to generate Ashura's chakra. Madara's now has instructions on how to combine Ashura's and Indra's into one.
If you believe chakra from spirits is diluted, then the amount Naruto and Sasuke received from Hagoromo is also. You also can't say for sure how "colossal" it is because Hagoromo no longer has the chakra of the ten-tails or the full amount he had before he became a host.
I have no confusion. If anything, you do. I already said that the ten-tails is the Holy Tree. You, however, restate what I said and then proceed to add the fiction of "belching", which was never mentioned in the manga.
It is diluted. It has been explained in the manga through the Tablet by Obito. This is a non-debatable point. The fact that Madara and Hashirama or the current reincarnations were unable to pull out that advanced Susano'o through 3 Tomoe Sharingan or Bijuu advanced cloak is a proof in itself.
It does matter. The quantity was so less that he awoke Rinnegan at his death. Had he taken a large volume of chakra - in immpossible feat for him at that time - he would have experienced the Rinnegan mutation instantly.
Already explained above. Proof that he doesn't have a vast unmatched volume (of) and potent chakra? This is speculation. When Sasuke and Naruto literally became god-tier ninjas with only half his chakra - each carrying half of it?
