How does sasuke beat Madara?

[Itachi 4 life]

You mean his own diluted Indra's chakra and that tiny, insignificant piece of Ashura's chakra he had in that tiny meatball? That shouldn't even be up for consideration as Sasuke's own or Naruto's own chakra. All of them are severally diluted. Naruto and Sasuke on the other hand received raw Hogoromo chakra. It would be ****ing colossal in volume and the most potent chakra known to man after Kaguya. Unmatched by anyone in the present times by an infinitely vast margin.

The Jubi is the The Holy Tree. It belched it out itself from its mouth. It's one of its forms. I suggest you reread the God Tree Chapter to clear your confusion.



The were put under genjutsu to trap them, not to pull out chakra. Do you any evidence that it cannot be done otherwise, when we have even weapons like Samehada pulling out Bijuu chakra from perfect Jins without any paralysis induced? But petra path fails? Without any proof, what you are going for, is nothing but speculation, when Nagato is the living proof of that.

He's a Jin, and that's it. If chakra can be pulled out from other Jins via petra path, then he's no different. This is nothing but speculation.



No, you said he cannot be touched. When I proved to you he can be. Your statement carried a sense of impossibility of the task, when Sasuke easily blitzed and bisected him.

The Limbo also has a cool down period, mind you. It isn't as cut and dry as you imagine it to be.

I stated that Sasuke can't touch him in a 1v1 scenario because of Limbo, not because of him being untouchable
The Limbo returns to Madara after a while. Madara can use it again after it returns. He can keep it up 100% of the time,no mangaphaxx to prove me otherwise,unlike Sasuke's ST which is confirmed to have a CD

 

[shelke]

I stated that Sasuke can't touch him in a 1v1 scenario because of Limbo, not because of him being untouchable
The Limbo returns to Madara after a while. Madara can use it again after it returns. He can keep it up 100% of the time,no mangaphaxx to prove me otherwise,unlike Sasuke's ST which is confirmed to have a CD

Precisely. It goes away for a while, which makes this like a kind of CD period.

 

[Ansatsuken]

bold 1. and if we go by that, its clear who wins, i said that before. jj madaras feats are really not anything to brag about at least nothing sasuke cant handle. all what he showed can easily countered by sasuke who has showne much better dc with hes soosano.

bold 2.actually in feats only, theres enough proof that sasuke can beat this guy, cant say the same for madara, meh ill leave it at that but i totally agree with sennin of logic.


he does have senjutsu, so your so called "valid fact" is garbage, who cares if some folks in denial dont want to admit something? doesnt make it valid one bit.

Sennin of logic post sure got good logic

But what I mean by my last paragraph is, Madara 3 eyes is featless while Sasuke is with feats, that is mean when I chose Sasuke, its not fair for featless 3 eyes Madara, that's mean Im bias here

For me to judge someone in fighting, I must see all of their full potential.

But Im still leaning toward 3 eyes Madara here, but just IMO.

 

[Handsome Jack]

Dat Madara
Ty and Madara rules.

 

[Itachi 4 life]

Precisely. It goes away for a while, which makes this like a kind of CD period.

after it goes away, it becomes castable again. That doesn't leave a window of opportunity for Sasuke to preta path him b4 Madara uses Limbo again

 

[shelke]

after it goes away, it becomes castable again. That doesn't leave a window of opportunity for Sasuke to preta path him b4 Madara uses Limbo again

Cast-able what?

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- Not only does it come back every once a while - look it up what this phrase means - it also can only be used for a limited time, and its activation takes time to begin with -

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Yeah, the window is there, a pretty big one. As the shadow overlaps with him for a very limited time.

 

[Itachi 4 life]

Cast-able what?

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- Not only does it come back every once a while - look it up what this phrase means - it also can only be used for a limited time, and its activation takes time to begin with -

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Yeah, the window is there, a pretty big one. As the shadow overlaps with him for a very limited time.

Activation time is unproven. I will debate you that it takes time for Limbo to walk to the target,not that it has an activation time.In this case, Sasuke is trying to touch Madara, so the Limbo will block him instantly.

 

[The Work]

Well, due to my SB logic.

Sasuke is stronger, because 3 Eyed Maddie got soloed by BZ's hand and Naruto soloed BZ/Kaguya and it's "claimed" Naruto and Sasuke are equal which means Sasuke soloes Maddie

heehee

 

[King Of Pop]

Sennin of logic post sure got good logic

But what I mean by my last paragraph is, Madara 3 eyes is featless while Sasuke is with feats, that is mean when I chose Sasuke, its not fair for featless 3 eyes Madara, that's mean Im bias here

For me to judge someone in fighting, I must see all of their full potential.

But Im still leaning toward 3 eyes Madara here, but just IMO.

ohh ok i get you. you have a point i guess

 

[Blackdeath667]

i am astonished by the amount of people who think sasuke will even legitimately hurt madara let alone beat him???

 

[Holy God]

It is diluted. It has been explained in the manga through the Tablet by Obito. This is a non-debatable point. The fact that Madara and Hashirama or the current reincarnations were unable to pull out that advanced Susano'o through 3 Tomoe Sharingan or Bijuu advanced cloak is a proof in itself.

Chakra wearing out through each reincarnation was not explained in the tablet. You also have no proof that Indra only has the Sharingan. We've seen an image of him with spiral eyes, suggesting he had a Mangekyou. Hashirama couldn't use a cloak because he didn't have a tailed beast, and wood was his thing, long before the tale of Kaguya existed.

It does matter. The quantity was so less that he awoke Rinnegan at his death. Had he taken a large volume of chakra - in immpossible feat for him at that time - he would have experienced the Rinnegan mutation instantly.

That is speculation.

Already explained above. Proof that he doesn't have a vast unmatched volume (of) and potent chakra? This is speculation. When Sasuke and Naruto literally became god-tier ninjas with only half his chakra - each carrying half of it?

Because he died without the tailed beasts, meaning he could only have up to his original amount. Then if you count your theory of spirits having diluted chakra, it's even less than his young self.

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- Whatever you say, man.

I'm still correct about the tailed beasts chakra being independent from the Holy Tree.

 

[KidGamer65]

Seriously, are people really this stupid? JJ Madara at his peak is far above Naruto/Sasuke induvidually.

Hell no. VoTE II Naruto or Sasuke>JJ Madara>Naruto or Sasuke.

Let's compare the two.

Both have the Rinnegan which means both have all 6 paths,

True, but those are all irrelevant.

Madara hs Limbo and Sasky has Amenotijakara, Sasuke can use Amenotijakara like 2-3 times before it goes on a CD, Madara has 4 Limbo which means he can escape anything Sasuke tries 4 times not to mention they come back after a while if they're not sealed.

True, but Limbo is trash in front of Susanoo, so....

Madara is immortal while Sasuke is not,

Only reason why he can't finish Madara. Still stronger though.

Madara has far more chakra than Sasuke ever had,

Ok. Not really that important.

both can use PS but Madara can use Juubi Chakra PS but Sasuke can't,

Both can use PS, but Madara's is powered by his Rikudo Senjutsu while Sasuke's is powered by Hagoromo's Yin Chakra (All of it) and the 9 Bijuu's power, thus his Susanoo>>Madara's Susanoo. Inb4 "Juubi>9 Bijuu thus Madara's PS>Sasuke's PS", Sasuke took the Bijuu's Chakra and stuffed them into his Susanoo, which is already being boosted by Hagoromo's Chakra. Madara only has the Juubi's power, and the Juubi's power is Rikudo Chakra, exactly why Obito got Rikudo's Chakra despite never having it beforehand. Madara can't do what Sasuke did because the Bijuu are inside him, not outside.

Madara's Taijutsu is superior, Madara is smarter and is overall more complete.

Taijutsu is irrelevant, more complete? Lol, what in the world is that supposed to mean? Smarter? Maybe, doesn't matter much since Madara already gave Sasuke major props on his analytic skills.

Madara grew up fighting, it was all he did ever since he was a child till he became an old man, even when he was revived, he was fighting,

True, but irrelevant.

Madara has Rikudo Mode which greatly increases his senses, speed, power etc.. He has Juubi's power which greatly increases his firepower.

Fire Power? Juubi Dama? Tree gets chopped down, with ease. The rest of his firepower isn't enough for Susanoo. Not to mention the explosion Naruto and Sasuke's final attacks made was larger than any Bijuu Dama in this series.

Sasuke can't even kill Madara, how is he going to defeat a Juubi Jinchuriki without the Sun & Moon seal?

He won't, but he's still stronger. Only reason he can't win is because he needs to seal Madara.

Madara is a tier above Sasuke/Naruto individually, i thought this was obvious till i saw some posts saying that Prime Madara is weaker than them.

Uh, no. Maybe before VoTE II, but w/ Bijuu and excess Nature Energy? Yeah...no.

 

[shelke]

Activation time is unproven. I will debate you that it takes time for Limbo to walk to the target,not that it has an activation time.In this case, Sasuke is trying to touch Madara, so the Limbo will block him instantly.

What do you mean? Takes some time means exactly that, it takes a while. It isn't an instant cast to begin with. I don't care whether you agree with it or not, as this is straight from the horse's mouth.

When it doesn't over-lap him all the time, can be used for limited time, and takes a while to even come back? You know, those monologues by Madara?

 

[Blackdeath667]

wouldn't madara technically be able to do what sasuke did with the bijuus with the juuubi?

 

[shelke]

Chakra wearing out through each reincarnation was not explained in the tablet. You also have no proof that Indra only has the Sharingan. We've seen an image of him with spiral eyes, suggesting he had a Mangekyou. Hashirama couldn't use a cloak because he didn't have a tailed beast, and wood was his thing, long before the tale of Kaguya existed.

That is speculation.


Because he died without the tailed beasts, meaning he could only have up to his original amount. Then if you count your theory of spirits having diluted chakra, it's even less than his young self.


I'm still correct about the tailed beasts chakra being independent from the Holy Tree.

Obito explains it how the blood-lines thinned out. Not sure what's left for speculation then.

Not really, but the only logical explanation.

He still was a direct descendant of Kaguya, a being with more chakra than the Juubi. You can play at this all you want. You don't have anything here.

It isn't. It's a part of the Juubi. The part it spewed out. Even Hachibi disagrees with you.

 

[Itachi 4 life]

What do you mean? Takes some time means exactly that, it takes a while. It isn't an instant cast to begin with. I don't care whether you agree with it or not, as this is straight from the horse's mouth.

When it doesn't over-lap him all the time, can be used for limited time, and takes a while to even come back? You know, those monologues by Madara?

No point in debating since I'm getting a vibe that you haven't even read all my posts regarding the subject, so yeah, I'm off.

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

Lightning is lightning. Why wouldn't it be?


That was before he absorbed the Holy Tree itself. Then he stated he was immortal.

Lmao u must be blind or stupid

I will humor u.... IF lightning is lightning as u say raiton should solo every time. Or zetsu would never even mentioned kirins speed because every raiton would be the same speed...

kirin is natural lightning not chakra lightning

According to you every character can dodge or literally toss a item to block kirin

Read the manga more and stop posting

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

Madara stated that he can die before absorbing the Shinju.After absorbing it he stated that he can't die &that he will live forever.

Why wouldn't his JUUBI JIN KEKEI GENKAI RAITON move the same speed as Kirin? It's basically lightning. +Naruto needed to use a TSB rod to evade it, if it wasn't at least as fast as Kirin he wouldn't have to resort to that.

Sasuke doesn't have Senjutsu ,Sage's chakra=/= senjutsu, it's been considered a valid fact on NB for about 3 months now,and he absorbed a small portion of Kurama's chakra WHILE Naruto was on the ground exhausted. This is Shinjudara with Limbo. He ain't touching him.

He only noted that it costs a lot of chakra. And that jutsu OVERVRITES A DIMENSION. 1 eye rinnedara doesn't use any chakra taxing
jutsus.

He wouldn't stand there,he'd Limbo Sasuke's ass, Sasuke's ST has a cooldown, he can't spam it

Your last post isn't even relevant to the topic

More non bs chakra lightning is not natural lightning period
U think u can throw a stick at lightning? Smh delusional

My last post is to show u that the biju can still be extracted individually and simultaneously

U people look past alot of little things that actually matter such as ps size and it's relative distance to the biju ct... when you apply it to human size the distance is great if u don't get what this means simply sasuke can steal biju chakra from a good distance

What nb thinks means nothing your just a bunch of haters fanatics and adolescents that can't read or piece context clues together rationally

People on here spread baseless assumptions dumb children take it and run with it and you people view as a consensus fact

Anyways ct seals madara