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[KidGamer65]

I don't think that kamui raiki work like that , I think that everything the raiki touches gets warped to the other dimension ,if you though about it ,what is the point of warping what you already erased by raiki? !,that doesn't make any sense,alright?

No regeneration, can't restore the body part that was gone, so yes, it actually makes a lot of sense.

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[wael reda]

No regeneration, can't restore the body part that was gone, so yes, it actually makes a lot of sense.

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How is that going to stop some one like kaguya and madara from regeneration !!?
I think it works like kamui shurukins ,what it touches ,gets warped to the other dimension ,but madara and kaguya still can regenerate

 

[KidGamer65]

Its not a vs thread between the two, it lists characters them based on strenght. Like Kamui Raikiri can be a deciding factor against JJ Madara but Obito lacks it. Therefor Kakashi > Obito in this list.

Exactly, so why are you trying to use inferior techniques to determine someone's strength based on how they work on other people? That is a VS situation.

@bold: Lol, learn how to rank characters. Against JJ Madara PS would do more than Kamui Raikiri anyway.

Kaguya tanked 9 rasenshuriken from Naruto meanwhile Kamui Raikiri went through Kaguya like a knife through butter. PS has 0 chance to tank it as it by feats couldn't even tank one rasenshuriken.

And Naruto cut her arm off, is Naruto's Chakra Claw>9 FRS? Obviously not.

 

[KidGamer65]

How is that going to stop some one like kaguya and madara from regeneration !!?
I think it works like kamui shurukins ,what it touches ,gets warped to the other dimension ,but madara and kaguya still can regenerate

Oh wait, it's not. Lol. Oh well. I'm assuming you've read the DB translation. Where else would the idea that it does this come from? I don't even know if it warps what it cuts, I think it's just called Kamui Raikiri because he uses Kamui to remain ghost mode while he strikes with it.

 

[wael reda]

Oh wait, it's not. Lol. Oh well. I'm assuming you've read the DB translation. Where else would the idea that it does this come from? I don't even know if it warps what it cuts, I think it's just called Kamui Raikiri because he uses Kamui to remain ghost mode while he strikes with it.

It is different views but I dont see any point in warping what was erased by raiki in advance ,so to me ,kamui raiki being a raiki that can warp whatever it touches or makes contact with ,makes much more sense

Yes ,in the available translation ,it saying that it warps whatever it pierces

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Like you ,I though that it is called kamui raiki to phase through enemies while cutting their shitty head

 

[KidGamer65]

It is different views but I dont see any point in warping what was erased by raiki in advance ,so to me ,kamui raiki being a raiki that can warp whatever it touches or makes contact with ,makes much more sense

Yes ,in the available translation ,it saying that it warps whatever it pierces

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Like you ,I though that it is called kamui raiki to phase through enemies while cutting their shitty head

Lol, doesn't really matter anymore since the translation clearly says it warps whatever it pierces, not what it touches.

 

[wael reda]

Lol, doesn't really matter anymore since the translation clearly says it warps whatever it pierces, not what it touches.

It is the only available translation anyway but even so ,that doesn't mean it needs to pierce the object first in order to warp what was erased by raiki ,maybe it means that it needs to makes contact with what it is going to pierce in order to that the target gets warped

 

[KidGamer65]

It is the only available translation anyway but even so ,that doesn't mean it needs to pierce the object first in order to warp what was erased by raiki ,maybe it means that it needs to makes contact with what it is going to pierce in order to that the target gets warped

Uh. Pierce means pierce, let's not try and twist what the DB says. It never said it warps what it touches, it warps what it pierces, so it warps what it pierces. That simple.

 

[wael reda]

Uh. Pierce means pierce, let's not try and twist what the DB says. It never said it warps what it touches, it warps what it pierces, so it warps what it pierces. That simple.

Hmm ,so you are saying that the warping property of kamui raiki is just a chakra consumer!!? ,poor kakashi

 

[Raykyryn]

Exactly, so why are you trying to use inferior techniques to determine someone's strength based on how they work on other people? That is a VS situation.

@bold: Lol, learn how to rank characters. Against JJ Madara PS would do more than Kamui Raikiri anyway.



And Naruto cut her arm off, is Naruto's Chakra Claw>9 FRS? Obviously not.

1 MS Obito would beat 8th gate Gai yet in this very list he is below Gai's rank. So when ranking two certain characters not only their match against each other should be considered.

Please don't try to avoid the fact that Kaguya did tanked 9 senpoo rasenshurikens. And Kamui Raikiri managed to cut through her after her power-up. PS ain't tanking it.

 

[wael reda]

1 MS Obito would beat 8th gate Gai yet in this very list he is below Gai's rank. So when ranking two certain characters not only their match against each other should be considered.

Please don't try to avoid the fact that Kaguya did tanked 9 senpoo rasenshurikens. And Kamui Raikiri managed to cut through her after her power-up. PS ain't tanking it.

Most of immense durability in the manga is against explosive power not cutting power ,jin madara was pierced by normal sword yet he was tanking EE ,alright?

 

[Raykyryn]

Most of immense durability in the manga is against explosive power not cutting power ,jin madara was pierced by normal sword yet he was tanking EE ,alright?

Rasenshuriken's cutting power should be immense too yet it barely worked on Kaguya.
PluS Sasuke already proved that his normal chidori katana has more piercing power than Narutos senpoo lava rasenshuriken. And sasukes chidori katana is far inferior to Kakashis black kamui raikiri. Then how PS is tanking that?

 

[wael reda]

Rasenshuriken's cutting power should be immense too yet it barely worked on Kaguya.
PluS Sasuke already proved that his normal chidori katana has more piercing power than Narutos senpoo lava rasenshuriken. And sasukes chidori katana is far inferior to Kakashis black kamui raikiri. Then how PS is tanking that?

See,madara was pierced by normal sword(without being enhanced with chidori) here

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But I think it is a clear plot ,like how BZ pierced jin madara with a naked hand ,kishi strikes so much you know
But if kamui raiki warps whatever it makes contact with ,then yes it will go through PS Or any other physical defence

 

[King Of Pop]

You sure about this? I thought DMS Kakashi>DMS Obito as DMS didn't really seem all that strong until Kakashi showed us PS, Kamui shuriken, kamui Raikiri, etc.

1. Kaguya
2. Naruto/Sasuke
3. Naruto/Sasuke
4. Madara
5. Kakashi
6. Obito
7. 8th gate Gai
8. Hashirama
9. Nagato
10. Kabuto

This list excludes edo tensei because you didn't include Kabuto or Oro nor did you include BM Minato whereas you included 8th gate Gai and DMS Kakashi despite being a temporary power up.

i like this ill go with it.

Uh. Pierce means pierce, let's not try and twist what the DB says. It never said it warps what it touches, it warps what it pierces, so it warps what it pierces. That simple.

basically like totsuka then? which seals what it pierces. both similar

 

[Tantalus Thief]

1.Kaguya
2.Madara (3 Eyed JJ)
3.Naruto (RM)
4.Sasuke (Rinnegan with Bijuu's)
5.Obito (JJ)(DMS)
6.Kakashi (DMS)
7.Might Guy (8 Gates)
8.Hashirama
9.Minato (BM, KCM, SM)
10.Nagato

I go with this.

 

[KidGamer65]

1 MS Obito would beat 8th gate Gai yet in this very list he is below Gai's rank. So when ranking two certain characters not only their match against each other should be considered.

Listen, I don't know how many times I'm gonna have to say it, but learn how to rank characters. Stop trying to use VS situations as rankings. That's not how it works.

Not to mention you've done nothing but wank Kamui Raikiri instead of giving me a legit reason as to why Kakashi>Obito.

Please don't try to avoid the fact that Kaguya did tanked 9 senpoo rasenshurikens. And Kamui Raikiri managed to cut through her after her power-up. PS ain't tanking it.

I'm not avoiding it, I addressed it. 9 FRS>Naruto's Chakra Claw, yet one damaged Kaguya while the RS didn't, meaning something happened or Kaguya did something to cause it to not injure her, probably absorbed the brunt of the attack, which caused the Bijuu chakra to make her Why it happened is irrelevant anyway.

Unless you think Naruto's Chakra Claw can take out PS (Which it can't, so don't bother giving me your thoughts on the matter), I highly suggest we stomp with this retarded "Kamui Raikiri cuts PS" argument. Not to mention Kaguya is nowhere near as durable as Susanoo.

I should be telling you to stop avoiding the fact that a weaker attack did damage while a stronger attack didn't. I suggest you put the pieces together.

Hmm ,so you are saying that the warping property of kamui raiki is just a chakra consumer!!? ,poor kakashi

Poor Kakashi indeed.

basically like totsuka then? which seals what it pierces. both similar

Precisely.

 

[Bolt Rules]

1. Itachi
2. Kaguya
3. Madara
4. Naruto
5. Sasuke
6. Obito
7. Guy
8. Hashirama
9. Nagato
10. B

 

[wael reda]

Poor Kakashi indeed.



Precisely.

See ,that is what basic raiki can do

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So again ,what is kamui raiki supposed to warp after erasing the part it pierced ?,that doesn't make any sense ,will it warp the atoms remained from the part of the body it pierced Lol
Anyone who read manga ,DB and have some logic ,will know that kamui raiki is a raiki that pierces by teleporting the parts it strikes ,I think this guy described it very well

kamui raikiri phasing the enemy while phasing himself? aint nobody gonna touch kakashi

Actually ,it is like he said ,the enemy phases through kamui raiki just like how kakashi phases through the enemy but unlike kakashi's phasing ,the enemy's phasing is permenant and that explains why there were no warping marks on kaguya's shoulder

It is your problem that you insist on understanding it at the wrong way which doesn't make any sense
Here is the data book scan and another translation in Spanish ,it says something other than the first translation

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[KidGamer65]

See ,that is what basic raiki can do

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So again ,what is kamui raiki supposed to warp after erasing the part it pierced ?,that doesn't make any sense ,will it warp the atoms remained from the part of the body it pierced Lol
Anyone who read manga ,DB and have some logic ,will know that kamui raiki is a raiki that pierces by teleporting the parts it strikes ,I think this guy described it very well

Actually ,it is like he said ,the enemy phases through kamui raiki just like how kakashi phases through the enemy but unlike kakashi's phasing ,the enemy's phasing is permenant and that explains why there were no warping marks on kaguya's shoulder

It is your problem that you insist on understanding it at the wrong way which doesn't make any sense
Here is the data book scan and another translation in Spanish ,it says something other than the first translation

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Databook has already STATED how Kamui Raikiri works. It teleports what it pierces. We have a translation from the people on Naruto Forums, literally no reason to believe that their translation is faulty. Unless you prove the invalidity of the translation, there is no more discussion on this point. Not interested in your opinion.

 

[wael reda]

Databook has already STATED how Kamui Raikiri works. It teleports what it pierces. We have a translation from the people on Naruto Forums, literally no reason to believe that their translation is faulty. Unless you prove the invalidity of the translation, there is no more discussion on this point. Not interested in your opinion.

That is fan translation ,it isn't necessarily 100% correct ,also I gave you another translation says something like that it warps the part of the body and pierces it to the other dimension ( I amnot good at spanish but Google can helpLol),I don't know why you insist on one translation/meaning though it doesn't make sense and though there is another translation makes much more sense

Also the first translation doesn't explain why there was no kamui warping marks on kaguya's shoulder,if this translation was true(or if that was what DB tries to say) then we should have seen a regular kamui warping after kakashi pierced kaguya but that didn't happen ,it was like if kaguya phased through raikiri