[Predictions] Naruto Manga 484 Discussion and 485 Predictions

[Chacha]

I agree with but i think there's a lot difference beetween contrutive critics and some critics that are beeing written here, trying to destroy the writer and the caracters. But completely agree with you.

You will encounter lots of critiques who's gonna throw unabashed criticisms at your end. It would be acceptable for me, but not acceptable for you and vice versa.

It's a matter of dealing with them in a "wiser" sense, in such a way that you have to convince them by backing up your opinions with hard evidences--and better return with utmost courtesy.

You're right, you have a point there. But i still think that happen on bee's fight because he was still to emo, his brother's death happen short time ago and his team was still usefull to him. I think the kage summit was the "turn arround" for sasuke because after that battle he didn't care about juugo and suigetsu, maybe something he heard or something madara told him he dosn't care about anyone now.

This is something I have to add up.

Emotional-wise, I think he's gone cold after the Killer Bee fight in such a way that he realized that his feelings toward his team mates is a hindrance that makes him soft. Well, his goal is to destroy Konoha, and he won't be able to materialize it without being that soft. So there, he actually killed his feelings (or tried to kill his feelings).

Given so, I have to STRESS that the inconsistency has something to do with his genius. During the kage summit, there's no question that he's gone cold hearted and frenzied to fight and kill those who block his way. Yet, he simply wasn't thinking straight enough. He's just in delirious killing spree that he himself was almost killed.

But yet again, seems like his genius in battle came back when he's with Danzo. The same ruthless feeling and the frenzy is still in there, but he was able to tactically think through amidst his fight with the oldie.

To note, it's just simply ironic and an antithesis for both events in a not-so-brilliant way that the author had put it. So, there's the hole.

 

[hugocruzz]

This is something I have to add up.

Emotional-wise, I think he's gone cold after the Killer Bee fight in such a way that he realized that his feelings toward his team mates is a hindrance that makes him soft. Well, his goal is to destroy Konoha, and he won't be able to materialize it without being that soft. So there, he actually killed his feelings (or tried to kill his feelings).

Given so, I have to STRESS that the inconsistency has something to do with his genius. During the kage summit, there's no question that he's gone cold hearted and frenzied to fight and kill those who block his way. Yet, he simply wasn't thinking straight enough. He's just in delirious killing spree that he himself was almost killed.

But yet again, seems like his genius in battle came back when he's with Danzo. The same ruthless feeling and the frenzy is still in there, but he was able to tactically think through amidst his fight with the oldie.

To note, it's just simply ironic and an antithesis for both events in a not-so-brilliant way that the author had put it. So, there's the hole.

Agree, Sasuke is the same genius but he is trying to kill the emos, and trying different aproches but his head is to confused to do a genius fight. Remember that with oro he knocked out 300 people i think, an army, without killing anyone.

He isn't that person anymore he is to shocked emotionly. He dosn't has that feeling about team 7 wich made him save karin. Like the chapter shown us, now when he see konoha and see is old friends laughting, he doesn't feel good or nostalgic anymore, he sees the pain his brother went through.

He is not being rational now, but i think naruto will touch, even if it is a little bit, his heart and tell him the truth about itachi.

 

[Akatsuki leader]

Agree, Sasuke is the same genius but he is trying to kill the emos, and trying different aproches but his head is to confused to do a genius fight. Remember that with oro he knocked out 300 people i think, an army, without killing anyone.

He isn't that person anymore he is to shocked emotionly. He dosn't has that feeling about team 7 wich made him save karin. Like the chapter shown us, now when he see konoha and see is old friends laughting, he doesn't feel good or nostalgic anymore, he sees the pain his brother went through.

He is not being rational now, but i think naruto will touch, even if it is a little bit, his heart and tell him the truth about itachi.

The truth?? we already know madara and danzou told us!!! itachi wanted to sasuke stay konoha and live with naruto and others but this is not the truth.. and only sasuke can paint his own heart not naruto or kakashi or sakura.....i dunno madara revenge is truth not only senju ways the good...
senju is feard the uchiha powers and wanted to all dead....bastard senjus... and the uchihas never was a "normal good man" uchihas always lived for a revenge.... this is sasuke way he born for this only 1 uchiha not itachi............

 

[Chacha]

He is not being rational now, but i think naruto will touch, even if it is a little bit, his heart and tell him the truth about itachi.

It will happen amidst the gayish (LOL) conversation and rebuttal between Naruto and Sasuke. Naruto will empathize with Sasuke's feelings, and will compare to his feelings after losing The Pervy Sage who was a father figure to Naruto.

Sasuke will retort otherwise, he's gonna bring up Itachi's burden brought by Konoha.

More yada yadas. Naruto will still try to convince him, and he will try to reason out Itachi's sacrifice. Stubborn Sasuke may still not be convinced.

Time may come that Naruto's convincing powers will sink in Sasuke's heart. Yet, I don't think it will happen soon. Perhaps, during the final battle between the two.

 

[hugocruzz]

The truth?? we already know madara and danzou told us!!! itachi wanted to sasuke stay konoha and live with naruto and others but this is not the truth.. and only sasuke can paint his own heart not naruto or kakashi or sakura.....

We know the truth but sasuke does not know the all truth, he doesn't know that itachi talked with naruto and wanted him to stop sasuke from destroying konoha.

 

[hugocruzz]

It will happen amidst the gayish (LOL) conversation and rebuttal between Naruto and Sasuke. Naruto will empathize with Sasuke's feelings, and will compare to his feelings after losing The Pervy Sage who was a father figure to Naruto.

Sasuke will retort otherwise, he's gonna bring up Itachi's burden brought by Konoha.

More yada yadas. Naruto will still try to convince him, and he will try to reason out Itachi's sacrifice. Stubborn Sasuke may still not be convinced.

Time may come that Naruto's convincing powers will sink in Sasuke's heart. Yet, I don't think it will happen soon. Perhaps, during the final battle between the two.

Maybe, but the only way to know for sure is to wait and see, lol.

 

[Chacha]

Maybe, but the only way to know for sure is to wait and see, lol.

Yep, that's just my prediction. What I've observed so far is that Naruto loves exchanging heartfelt conversations to enemies and bringing them back to good (that's the another secret jutsu Naruto has, his convincing powers! lololol)

OTOH, if lightning does not strike many times at one place, he could prolly kill Sasuke if left unconvinced. I love to see that happen though. Not because I really really hate Sasuke, but I just love to see him being brutally killed by Naruto. I just want Naruto kill someone ruthlessly for once! xd

 

[Akatsuki leader]

We know the truth but sasuke does not know the all truth, he doesn't know that itachi talked with naruto and wanted him to stop sasuke from destroying konoha.

and you think sasuke gonna say: no im not gonna destroy konoha
i think sasuke never gonna say this and sasuke told us he not same as itachi....
and itachi always wanted to dead by sasuke.....
shisui is give up his life bcz he cannot live with uchihas curse (revenge..... and taking eyes)
sasuke is want to destroy konoha..... he born to fight naruto......and revenge
and naruto is born for hokage and fight sasuke like 1st and madara.... i think 4th kage is senju and naruto too.......

 

[Akatsuki leader]

It will happen amidst the gayish (LOL) conversation and rebuttal between Naruto and Sasuke. Naruto will empathize with Sasuke's feelings, and will compare to his feelings after losing The Pervy Sage who was a father figure to Naruto.

Sasuke will retort otherwise, he's gonna bring up Itachi's burden brought by Konoha.

More yada yadas. Naruto will still try to convince him, and he will try to reason out Itachi's sacrifice. Stubborn Sasuke may still not be convinced.

Time may come that Naruto's convincing powers will sink in Sasuke's heart. Yet, I don't think it will happen soon. Perhaps, during the final battle between the two.

yeah but naruto never gonna understand this pain bcz naruto not killed his brother naruto has not see how killing his clan and family....... his just a compare feellings nothing else brother is much more like naruto fellengs for kakashi and his teacher........

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

When Madara told Sasuke about Itachi's sacrifice Sasuke said that he is going after Konoha or similar to that at the last page of that chapter but in the next chapter he said he is only going after the elders. Well it is true that going after the elders means he has to face Konoha ninjas but from the moment he start fighting at the Kage summit he was starting to act differently and now he is saying he is going to destroy Konoha. That's exactly what Itachi feared Sasuke. I don't know how his motives changed from only going after the elders to completely destroying Konoha.

 

[Naruto the Toad Sanin]

At the moment I agree with Kenshin Himura. Sasuke has been changed dramatically as a character.

If you were to read a novel like fight club (Chuck Palahuniuk) or Hunger (Knut Hansum), you would see the characters develope in a steady and clever, way, subtle and well thought out, also any twists are clever, and arent contradicted by anything earlier on in the book, It is still shocking but works with the psychology and constency in the book.

For Kishi it is boh harder and easier for him to make foolish "fan-based" moves, as Naruto isn't a novel, it is a series spread out over decade +. It isn't read in a compact or structured manner, you forget many of the details in previous chapters, and you forget the way a character was 6 months ago.

For those saying Sasuke has been changed by a "rage" or "Madara" or "Itachi's truth", it is only partialy correct.

Madara has not influenced Sasuke at all, he is very independant and isn't connected to him. I also withdraw my statement about Sasuke becoming Leader of Akatsuki. He will probably end up getting Itachi's eyes, Killing madara and using the Tailed beasts to get the Juubi himself, forming a new "Akatsuki" and attacking Konoha, ending in a final clash between him and :naruto: .

As for the rage thing, I think his hate IS different compared to the one for Itachi, it less cold, what Kishi has done is tried to give Sasuke emotion and warmth (in a antagonistic way) while still bein cold enough to kill karin. However he has done this too rapidly, resulting In Sasuke becoming a generic "baddy" who seems psychotic and typically hysterical.

I think Kishi needs to tone down Sasuke's hysterical avenger persona and bring back the cold, talented and intelligent genius, who at least you can see as a real life character..........

Peace .

Reps to Kenshin Himura and Chacha~


P.S. The group of people over 18 should start our own threads, other wise Kishi sycophants will just flame anyone who tries to critisize the series in anyway......

 

[Tooms]

Its obvious by now that :naruto: is a Senju so my prediction is that A :sasuke: and :naruto: will do a lot of arguing :sasuke: will use his Sussano on :naruto:

B :naruto: will awaken his will of fire, aka the fire of the senju clan, aka the geki genkai of the senju clan, which is of course the sages heart and body then :naruto: will punch a hole through Sussano and well zoom into a close of :sasuke: who is half shitting his pants and half pissed of that :naruto: has once again surpassed him

C :naruto: isnt used to using that much chakra at once so hell freeze up unable to move by this time :kakashi: will have recovered enough to defend :naruto:, likewise Madera will apear and defend the weakened :sasuke:

D the last bit will be Madera saying something like i see you have finally awakened the Senju clans fire, and then make comparisons between the sharingan and the fire and say something like :naruto: still hasnt awakaned the sages true body

E Saskue will want Itachi's eyes in order to match Naruto who by now is as powerfull as Shodaime and in the next couple of chapters well find out that A Naruto is the 4ths son which we know B that Naruto is the 2nds grandson and the great nephew of the 1st

and D :naruto: will end up with Karin and :sakura: will end up with :sasuke:

 

[yusufms]

Its obvious by now that :naruto: is a Senju so my prediction is that A :sasuke: and :naruto: will do a lot of arguing :sasuke: will use his Sussano on :naruto:

B :naruto: will awaken his will of fire, aka the fire of the senju clan, aka the geki genkai of the senju clan, which is of course the sages heart and body then :naruto: will punch a hole through Sussano and well zoom into a close of :sasuke: who is half shitting his pants and half pissed of that :naruto: has once again surpassed him

C :naruto: isnt used to using that much chakra at once so hell freeze up unable to move by this time :kakashi: will have recovered enough to defend :naruto:, likewise Madera will apear and defend the weakened :sasuke:

D the last bit will be Madera saying something like i see you have finally awakened the Senju clans fire, and then make comparisons between the sharingan and the fire and say something like :naruto: still hasnt awakaned the sages true body

E Saskue will want Itachi's eyes in order to match Naruto who by now is as powerfull as Shodaime and in the next couple of chapters well find out that A Naruto is the 4ths son which we know B that Naruto is the 2nds grandson and the great nephew of the 1st

and D :naruto: will end up with Karin and :sakura: will end up with :sasuke:

thats a very nice prediction for your 1st post, i like the way you see it. but i think that after they talk for a bit then option A happens.

 

[Chacha]

At the moment I agree with Kenshin Himura. Sasuke has been changed dramatically as a character.

If you were to read a novel like fight club (Chuck Palahuniuk) or Hunger (Knut Hansum), you would see the characters develope in a steady and clever, way, subtle and well thought out, also any twists are clever, and arent contradicted by anything earlier on in the book, It is still shocking but works with the psychology and constency in the book.

For Kishi it is boh harder and easier for him to make foolish "fan-based" moves, as Naruto isn't a novel, it is a series spread out over decade +. It isn't read in a compact or structured manner, you forget many of the details in previous chapters, and you forget the way a character was 6 months ago.

For those saying Sasuke has been changed by a "rage" or "Madara" or "Itachi's truth", it is only partialy correct.

Madara has not influenced Sasuke at all, he is very independant and isn't connected to him. I also withdraw my statement about Sasuke becoming Leader of Akatsuki. He will probably end up getting Itachi's eyes, Killing madara and using the Tailed beasts to get the Juubi himself, forming a new "Akatsuki" and attacking Konoha, ending in a final clash between him and :naruto: .

As for the rage thing, I think his hate IS different compared to the one for Itachi, it less cold, what Kishi has done is tried to give Sasuke emotion and warmth (in a antagonistic way) while still bein cold enough to kill karin. However he has done this too rapidly, resulting In Sasuke becoming a generic "baddy" who seems psychotic and typically hysterical.

I think Kishi needs to tone down Sasuke's hysterical avenger persona and bring back the cold, talented and intelligent genius, who at least you can see as a real life character..........

Peace .

Reps to Kenshin Himura and Chacha~

Thank you!

I think the tremendous change in character was indeed made too fast that the author overlooked on the possible consequences of making [of forcing] Sasuke to be the main badass antagonist. Hence, there went the loopholes. This is my opinion.

I guess, this is mostly a disease every series has. Since people keep on expecting it from time to time, not to mention, it does not have a concretely constructed storyline with a definitive ending, it puts some strain on the author and baffles him whilst following up with the series in the long run. (I think this is also the reason why Neil Gaiman stopped writing series after Sandman).

Of course, fans know some nitty-gritty details in which they make use as bases in forming criticisms. Nevertheless, I still have high hopes for Naruto Shippuden. <3

Going back, I'm vouching for lots of talking between Naruto and Sasuke on majority of the next chapter's pages.

 

[Dah]

shisui is give up his life bcz he cannot live with uchihas curse (revenge..... and taking eyes)

i was thinking Shisui was one good friend of itachi and was killed by itachi for him to activate is MS but i am a little confuse about that... Maybe he is someone else, could you explain to me who is shishui ???
sorry for my bad way to express my self i don't have a good english

 

[Akatsuki leader]

i was thinking Shisui was one good friend of itachi and was killed by itachi for him to activate is MS but i am a little confuse about that... Maybe he is someone else, could you explain to me who is shishui ???
sorry for my bad way to express my self i don't have a good english

the best friend of itachi and killed himself or by danzou group........bcz danzou has shisui eyes.....

 

[Sage Minato]

About the chapter, AT LAST A EXCELLENT ONE!!
Sasuke almost blind, Sakura still Sakura but at least a little better, Kakashi managed to counter Susano'o and Naruto saving Sakura, EXCELLENT!
Oh, i was forgetting about Karin... I think she is going to help Konoha now, Great!

I agree this one was one of the best so far!!!!:sasuke:

 

[Typhon]

i was thinking Shisui was one good friend of itachi and was killed by itachi for him to activate is MS but i am a little confuse about that... Maybe he is someone else, could you explain to me who is shishui ???
sorry for my bad way to express my self i don't have a good english

Shisui was Itachi's best friend who Itachi killed in order to gain the MS and prepare for his mission to kill the Uchiha clan. His eye is the one that Danzo had implanted and had the ability to control others and use the body flicker technique.

 

[Sage Minato]

Ahahaha i laughed when Kakashi saw the Susano'o finally completed (what it seems to be the last stage) and said this is bad (like i'm screwed)..
Then i just shat a brick.. Sasuke got blind (pretty much 99% blind)..

3 against one.. It's time for Madara to appear and get Sasuke out of there.. Guy is blind now and can't do shit now.. (Eternal Mangeky? Sharingan will finally appear)

Very nice Mangeky? technique by Kakashi..

I just hope all those flashbacks were hinting that Naruto finally stops obsessing about Sasuke's balls and he's ready to kill him..

Yeah!!! Naruto just needs to grow up and move on because sasuke is NEVER going back to Konoha i mean for pete sakes he wants to DESTROY it GOSH!!!!

 

[Akatsuki leader]

AND yeah WHAT ABOUT THE 2 TENGU KING THEORY???? Karasu tengu and Koonoha tengu.......