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Pein Arc SM naruto (KIFFLOM) vs Kisame (Beans)

Location: Destroyed Konoha
Starting Distance: 40m
Intel: Full
Intent: To Kill
Mindset: IC
Restrictions: Frog Song
Conditions: Naruto starts with all his boss toads out, and his clones in MT.Myoboku, he also has Ma and Pa with him


Judges: Crossroads KGB Kakuzu
 
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Summary of how Naruto wins this

--With Ma and Pa here, kisame gets paralysed by frog call right off the bat, followed by naruto landing a SM Chou Oodama Rasengan (COR), or an FRS to finish kisame off with ease

--samehada repariring kisame isnt helping him either, nor is kisame weilding iit properly when naruto can use his clones to seperate the blade away ffrom him and slam a COR or FRS right at his face to kill him,

--samehada isnt absorbing senjutsu chakra, not large scale rasengans or FRS, and
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, which only makes this worse, as it gets turned to stone,

--CQC is not helping kisame,, when he gets outnumbered by the SM clones, pulverising him with their far superior power and them having superioor speed and reflexes, as well as frog katas which kisame cant percieve or react to, only makes this easier for naruto to wreck him

--merging with samehada isnt helping either, not when kisame wont have the speed to evade FRS nor would he have the durability to tank multiple rasengans from naruto, let alone FRS and when naruto can comfortably land his attacks on kisame through superior speed and reflexes

--Water dome is countered through the use of KB and boss toads that divert kisames attention and allow the real naruto to get away

--suitons are non factor here, especially infront of oil from gamabunta , or when they are simply evaded through either narutos shunshin, or through the boss toads jumping out of their vicinity

--GSB is getting disrupted through the use of Food Cart Destroyer from boss summons, or naruto using his clones to attack kisame and pin him down, and the jutsu being able to absorb senjutsu chakra is also a mere speculation meaning that FRS also has the potential to go through it, although its not needed at all

Battle at CQC

Approaching naruto at CQC isnt helping kisame at alll, when naruto can still use his SM clones to seperate samehada from kisame
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with frog katas, or
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through the aid of smoke bombs , allowing him to land a finisihing blow on him, and ensuring that kisame dies

furthermore kisame approaching naruto in CQC is just stupid when he gets raped, especially when
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, not to mention that his
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, and with frog katas here, which kisame has no way of perceiving or reacting to, means that kisame gets seperated from his blade and killed,
and naruto having superior speed and reflexes, as well as the aid of boss toads to attack kisame only makes this easier, as he wont be getting caught in jutsus such as water prison

Counters to Samehadas absorption abilities

With intel on Samehadas absorption abilities, naruto can counter this hard, as stated above, the easiest counter is for naruto to use his clones to attack and seperate kisame from his blade or use frog call to paralyse kisame and land a direct blow on him to finish him off

if we go into more detail then samehada isnt absorbing any of narutos powerful ninjutsu such as FRS or COR either, here are the reasons why:

first of all samehadas absorption abilities are extremely primitive infront of preta, when
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, something which preta path absorbed in a mere second with little to no problems
not to mention that
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it mostly
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, as most of the fire was still present, yet the blade was still affected by it
another important thing is that unlike preta,
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, and whilst it does have the ability to regenerate kisame, it still only does that by feeding kisame chakra, if samehada does not absorb enough chakra then kisame doesnt get reparied,, its as simple as that

with that being said, samehada is not absorbing something on the level of FRS, not when the
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, and when the jutsus chakra is too much for samehada to absorb, iits certainly more chakra than a lariat, and
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, we have kisame either
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,, or his entire chakra network is eradicated, meaning he dies
the jutsu expanding, and the explosion happening immediately just makes it worse, making kisames death certain

naruto having the senjutsu chakra here just makes this easier for him, as samehada absorbing too much senjutsu chakra is just turning it into a stone, not to mention that naruto can also use his
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right on kisame, and his blade, causing damage to both of them,

Counters to Water Dome

water dome isnt much of a problem here either, especially when naruto has the boss toads and the clones to act as diversions,

another important thing to note is that the water dome that kisame formms here is nowhere near the level that he used in canon, mainly due to the fact that hes not absorbing a ton of bijuu chakra, like he did to bee,, nor is the location helping him here, so countering WD is just easier for naruto here

first of all, frogs are excellent swimmers and them being amphibians means that they can operate under water just fine,so even if kisame forms the water dome, the 3 gama toads can attack him just fine,

however if kisame attempts to only go after naruto, then that isnt a problem either, not when naruto can still formm his clones and seperate them from each other, to divert kisame completely, here are the options that naruto has.

1. he can seperate himself and use his clones to spread to each direction, until he gets out of the dome,

2. he can get the clones to spread out whilst the real can swim directly up at the top of the dome, and shunshin out of it

3. he can use the clones as a diversion,
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, and gets kisame to focus on the clones instead whilst he gets out,

4. he can also just use the transformation jutsu and transform himself into a toad, whilst he can transform one of the boss toads into himself,, causing kisames attention away and moving himself out of it,

so at the end of the day, even water dome isnt much of a factor

Counters to GSB

GSB isnt helping kisame either, here are narutos counters to it

1. the jutsu requires a focused hand seal in-order to operate, and with that being said, naruto simply drops a toad on kisames head, therefore disrupting the jutsu completely, and ending it right over there,

2. with ma and pa here, kisame just gets paralysed by frog call here, which also stops him from using the jutsu, and allows naruto to slam a COR or FRS right at his face, thus killing kisame off,

3. naruto can also just use his shunshin to evade the shark, and in the jutsus prep time,
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, which in turn dispels the jutsu, and allows naruto to land a finishing blow on kisame

So with all the jutsus from kisame being countered, naruto wins this decisively
 
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KIFFLOM said:
Summary of how Naruto wins this

--With Ma and Pa here, kisame gets paralysed by frog call right off the bat, followed by naruto landing a SM Chou Oodama Rasengan (COR), or an FRS to finish kisame off with ease

--samehada repariring kisame isnt helping him either, nor is kisame weilding iit properly when naruto can use his clones to seperate the blade away ffrom him and slam a COR or FRS right at his face to kill him,

--samehada isnt absorbing senjutsu chakra, not large scale rasengans or FRS, and
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, which only makes this worse, as it gets turned to stone,

--CQC is not helping kisame,, when he gets outnumbered by the SM clones, pulverising him with their far superior power and them having superioor speed and reflexes, as well as frog katas which kisame cant percieve or react to, only makes this easier for naruto to wreck him

--merging with samehada isnt helping either, not when kisame wont have the durability to tank multiple rasengans from naruto, let alone FRS and when naruto can comfortably land his attacks on kisame through superior speed and reflexes

--Water dome is countered through the use of KB and boss toads that divert kisames attention and allow the real naruto to get away

--suitons are non factor here, especially infront of oil from gamabunta , or when they are simply evaded through either narutos shunshin, or through the boss toads jumping out of their vicinity

--GSB is getting disrupted through the use of Food Cart Destroyer from boss summons, or naruto using his clones to attack kisame and pin him down, and the jutsu being able to absorb senjutsu chakra is also a mere speculation meaning that FRS also has the potential to go through it, although its not needed at all
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The majority of these points are countered by Kisame changing the environment in his favor by
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, a process which seems to only take a few seconds; Kisame can easily weave the handseals for the water dome and merge with Samehada (a process that doesn't require hand seals) before Fukusaku and Shima use Frog Call on him, which won't be effective for two reasons: 1) the soundwaves they produce will be muted underwater since Kisame is in an aquatic environment and 2) Kisame when fused with Samehada (I'll call this form "shark mode") can simply absorb the jutsu. Naruto will not be able to traverse 40 meters then seperate Kisame from Samehada when Kisame's fusing process only takes a few seconds at most and Naruto will be impeded by the shockwave of water which slows down his movements and prevents him from quickly crossing the distance. That said, Naruto will get easily caught in the
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, putting him underwater and giving him only a few minutes to escape the dome before the inevitable happens and Naruto drowns, Sage Mode or not. The fact that the dome
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means that Naruto will not be able to escape the dome due to Kisame's speed underwater being much superior to Naruto's.

The bolded is incorrect, Samehada can absorb senjutsu chakra just fine if we reference Preta's feats against Naruto and Jiraiya

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Nowhere is it suggested that Samehada is incapable of absorbing Naruto's attacks which are infused with senjutsu chakra, only if Samehada attempts to absorb chakra off Naruto's body
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that Samehada will be unable to handle the nature energy and undergo petrification.

Kisame isn't getting outnumbered by Naruto's clones when Naruto can only make three at once. Naruto isn't landing a hit on Kisame underwater when Kisame can simply keep his distance or outmaneuver him in his own environment. @Underline how does gamabunta's oil counter water dome? suitons are obviously not a non factor. I will address GSB/Water dome/CQC later on in my post.

KIFFLOM said:
Battle at CQC

Approaching naruto at CQC isnt helping kisame at alll, when naruto can still use his SM clones to seperate samehada from kisame
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with frog katas, or
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through the aid of smoke bombs , allowing him to land a finisihing blow on him, and ensuring that kisame dies

furthermore kisame approaching naruto in CQC is just stupid when he gets raped, especially when
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, and was
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, not to mention that his
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, and with frog katas here, which kisame has no way of perceiving or reacting to, means that kisame gets seperated from his blade and killed,
and naruto having superior speed and reflexes, as well as the aid of boss toads to attack kisame only makes this easier, as he wont be getting caught in jutsus such as water prison
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Naruto is only superior to Kisame in close combat in a dry environment, when things are underwater it is a much different story. Firstly when in Shark Mode Kisame
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, greatly improving his reflexes since Samehada's own reflexes are good enough to comfortably react to V1 Bee
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-
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. Secondly, Naruto's movements (I'm talking about frog kata) will be greatly slowed down by the water pressure within the dome, meaning he cannot strike, react, or defend himself - unlike Kisame who thrives in a liquid environment and can move faster than Naruto. Kisame also has the range advantage in CQC since he can use
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(which pierced through Bee's V1 cloak) to pierce Naruto and kill him while absorbing his chakra. If necessary, Kisame can make a water prison around Naruto to restrict his movements or summon sharks to hold Naruto in place while he does this. Naruto is limited to
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so Kisame can simply match them with his own water clones and
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and drown them; or, Kisame can overwhelm Naruto's clones with shark summons and kill them. Kisame getting seperated from Samehada before he fuses is laughable since the process only takes a few seconds.
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KIFFLOM said:

Counters to Samehadas absorption abilities

With intel on Samehadas absorption abilities, naruto can counter this hard, as stated above, the easiest counter is for naruto to use his clones to attack and seperate kisame from his blade or use frog call to paralyse kisame and land a direct blow on him to finish him off

if we go into more detail then samehada isnt absorbing any of narutos powerful ninjutsu such as FRS or COR either, here are the reasons why:

first of all samehadas absorption abilities are extremely primitive infront of preta, when
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, something which preta path absorbed in a mere second with little to no problems
not to mention that
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it mostly
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, as most of the fire was still present, yet the blade was still affected by it
another important thing is that unlike preta,
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, and whilst it does have the ability to regenerate kisame, it still only does that by feeding kisame chakra, if samehada does not absorb enough chakra then kisame doesnt get reparied,, its as simple as that

with that being said, samehada is not absorbing something on the level of FRS, not when the
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, and when the jutsus chakra is too much for samehada to absorb, iits certainly more chakra than a lariat, and
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, we have kisame either
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,, or his entire chakra network is eradicated, meaning he dies
the jutsu expanding, and the explosion happening immediately just makes it worse, making kisames death certain

naruto having the senjutsu chakra here just makes this easier for him, as samehada absorbing too much senjutsu chakra is just turning it into a stone, not to mention that naruto can also use his
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right on kisame, and his blade, causing damage to both of them,
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I agree that FRS is too much for Kisame to absorb with Samehada but there are still a lot of errors in your posts. For one Samehada can absorb
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with a single touch, probably more chakra than there is in a large scale rasengan. He made Bee
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despite V2 having
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than V1. Samehada should be able to absorb large-scale rasengans with ease, and if Kisame is unable to absorb it completely the resulting damage is
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and
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FRS is countered by
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which would absorb the technique. Since FRS takes prep time (Naruto has to make two clones first), Kisame easily has enough time to shoot off a Daikodan which
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, so it will absorb the Rasenshuriken and continue on a linear path towards Naruto and absorb his chakras until they are gone, effectively oneshotting Naruto. Your point about Samehada being unable to absorb Itachi's katon is incorrect, Samehada needs to make contact with chakra in order to absorb it so it only absorbed the part of the katon that was touching it.

KIFFLOM said:

Counters to Water Dome

water dome isnt much of a problem here either, especially when naruto has the boss toads and the clones to act as diversions,
another important thing is that the water dome that kisame formms here is nowhere near the level that he used in canon, mainly due to the fact that hes not absorbing a ton of bijuu chakra, like he did to bee,, nor is the location helping him here, so countering WD is just easier for naruto here

first of all, frogs are excellent swimmers and them being amphibians means that they can operate under water just fine,so even if kisame forms the water dome, the 3 gama toads can attack him just fine,

however if kisame attempts to only go after naruto, then that isnt a problem either, not when naruto can still formm his clones and seperate them from each other, to divert kisame completely, here are the options that naruto has.

1. he can seperate himself and use his clones to spread to each direction, until he gets out of the dome,

2. he can get the clones to spread out whilst the real can swim directly up at the top of the dome, and shunshin out of it

3. he can use the clones as a diversion,
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, and gets kisame to focus on the clones instead whilst he gets out,

4. he can also just use the transformation jutsu and transform himself into a toad, whilst he can transform one of the boss toads into himself,, causing kisames attention away and moving himself out of it,

so at the end of the day, even water dome isnt much of a factor
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Let me start by saying Kisame can still make a huge water dome even without Bee's chakra. At
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he was capable of spitting out
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and
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. At 100% power and with Samehada's chakra as well Kisame can still create an enormous dome that Naruto won't be able to escape.

Also the water dome completely dwarfs any boss toad. Here is the size of the water dome relative to the surrounding forest.

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And here are the size of boss toads when compared to trees.
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. Also keep in mind that the pine trees in the land of iron seem to be much larger than the deciduous trees in Konoha :
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. Toad summons are never landing a hit on Kisame when

-their movements, like naruto's, will be greatly slowed down by the water pressure
-all three toads could not land a hit on Deva
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, and Kisame's reflexes/speed in an aquatic environment surpass Deva's
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Now, to address your methods for Naruto escaping the dome (does Naruto even know how to swim? Lol)

1. Naruto can only make three clones, which are easily matched by Kisame's own clones or summoning sharks which are much faster than Naruto underwater and quickly catch up to him and overwhelm him before Naruto gets out of the dome's aoe

2. See above

3. Kisame will see Naruto jump in the toad's mouth and then one-shot the toad with Daikodan or summon 1,000 sharks to merk the toad, while other sharks or water clones take care of Naruto's three kage bunshins

4. Kisame goes after either one and summons sharks to take care of the other. Or, he uses Daikodan to one-shot one of them and swims after the other.

Basically Kisame can increase his numbers so he can target multiple opponents at once, helped by the fact that him and his sharks are much faster underwater than Naruto or his toads

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Counters to GSB

GSB isnt helping kisame either, here are narutos counters to it

1. the jutsu requires a focused hand seal in-order to operate, and with that being said, naruto simply drops a toad on kisames head, therefore disrupting the jutsu completely, and ending it right over there,

2. with ma and pa here, kisame just gets paralysed by frog call here, which also stops him from using the jutsu, and allows naruto to slam a COR or FRS right at his face, thus killing kisame off,

3. naruto can also just use his shunshin to evade the shark, and in the jutsus prep time,
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, which in turn dispels the jutsu, and allows naruto to land a finishing blow on kisame

So with all the jutsus from kisame being countered, naruto wins this decisively
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1. :| Naruto can't summon a toad on top of Kisame unless he is standing/floating above Kisame. What's more is the toad wouldn't crush Kisame underwater since the water pressure will slow down movement causing the toad to slowly sink to the bottom (giving Kisame time to dodge) rather than quickly fall down on top of Kisame. Also the summoning technique requires more handseals than Daikodan so there's no way Naruto is interrupting the jutsu.

2. Frog Call won't be effective since the soundwaves will be muted underwater and weaker since it has to push its way through the water pressure (for example, Hirudora destroyed a V3 Susano'o but it couldn't kill Kisame since it was underwater and its impact was significantly reduced). The water can also
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. On top of that Samehada can simply absorb the jutsu, and Frog Call has a longer start-up time than Daikodan. If Kisame finds Ma/Pa to be a nuisance he can summon a couple dozen sharks that make quick work of the toad sages

3. This isn't working underwater. Naruto can't swim fast enough to avoid Daikodan.



So in conclusion:

-Naruto's bunshins are matched by Kisame's own water clones or summoned sharks
-Toads are overwhelmed by sharks or one-shotted by Daikodan
-FRS is intercepted by Daikodan
-Naruto can't touch Kisame if he remains at a distance
-Rasengans are absorbed by Samehada

Kisame kills Naruto by

-Drowning him since Naruto can't escape the water dome, especially before he runs out of air
-One shotting him with Daikodan
-Sucking him dry of chakra with Samehada

Kisame should win this comfortably due to his water dome and shark summons.
 
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