JJ Madara Uchiha VS Kaguya Ōtsutsuki

[Strict]

Kaguya is Madara + the Chakra of the planet + all Kekkei Genkai - Rinnegan.
So if Juubi Jins can cause massive destruction, Kaguya can as well. Chibaku Tensei is destroyed. And the ash bones are a certain kill technique. One hit is a gg.

 

[Holy God]

Distraction for what again? Lol. No point of a distraction if there is no purpose to said distraction. Not to mention she doesn't need to fly up and destroy them, she can smash them as they come at her.


Bones aren't chakra, so he can't absorb it. Slash away? With his Susanoo? Gets evaded with ease and then Ash Bones fodderize it. Or she gets in close range and obliterates him and his Susanoo.


No, they aren't. Madara didn't react to Sasuke's teleportation, and Minato<<<<Sasuke when it comes to speed so I don't really care about that feat. Fact of the matter is, Sasuke blitzed Madara (Show me where he reacted or I'm not going to bother debating this point) and Kaguya reacted, and evaded.



Gudo Dama already possess Sage Chakra. Lol, and they got damaged by a Bijuu Dama. Kaguya rips them apart. He uses Shinra Tensei, 5 second cooldown kicks in, then he gets fodderized. Rinne Sharingan lets her see Limbo, and any of her attacks let her obliterate them.

For anything. He could make clones, charge an attack, or do something else.

It doesn't matter. What gives her bones that destroying property is chakra, or else her body would be constantly eaten away obviously. He would absorb the chakra, making it just a normal bone. Even Sage Art: Goemon, which creates oil, is absorbed. If Kaguya were to struggle against Naruto's chakra arms with her technique, I'm pretty sure Madara's chakra arms would be able to deal with her vacuum attack.

Yes they are. Teleportation is the same speed. Fact of the manga is that one-eyed Madara who wasn't aggressive was blitzed. You'll need proof of battle-ready two-eyed Madara being unable to react.

When was this? His five second cool-down also won't matter when there is Limbo to also use it. Doesn't matter if she can see them, there are virtually 5 Madara on the battlefield. She isn't getting near them. You also didn't even say anything about his wood-clones.

 

[Strict]

Fact of the manga is that one-eyed Madara who wasn't aggressive was blitzed. You'll need proof of battle-ready two-eyed Madara being unable to react.

So one eyed Madara rather lets himself being cut in half and flees instead of becoming aggressive? What's aggressiveness depended on? So a second Rinnegan increases Madara's speed and reaction? How? Has the second Rinnegan the ability to do so? Since when 2 eyes = more reaction and speed? He has more Limbos, what means more defense. But the Limbos are annihilated by the ash bones, as Kaguya also has Rikudo Senjutsu.

 

[Holy God]

So one eyed Madara rather lets himself being cut in half and flees instead of becoming aggressive? What's aggressiveness depended on? So a second Rinnegan increases Madara's speed and reaction? How? Has the second Rinnegan the ability to do so? Since when 2 eyes = more reaction and speed? He has more Limbos, what means more defense. But the Limbos are annihilated by the ash bones, as Kaguya also has Rikudo Senjutsu.

Yes. Did you read on how he rather retrieve his second Rinnegan before fighting them? You can obvious tell how he was aggressive when he smashed the ground and declared how they would meet their demise.

It should increase his reaction, not speed. How wouldn't it? The power of two Rinnegan are unbelievable as described by Obito. Having two eyes is also better than one.

Hahaha. You must have missed that fact that the Rinnegan allows Madara to absorb any attack, just like Kaguya, so neither him or his clones are getting annihilated by simple Ash Bones.

 

[KidGamer65]

For anything. He could make clones, charge an attack, or do something else.

And how much of that will

It doesn't matter. What gives her bones that destroying property is chakra, or else her body would be constantly eaten away obviously. He would absorb the chakra, making it just a normal bone. Even Sage Art: Goemon, which creates oil, is absorbed. If Kaguya were to struggle against Naruto's chakra arms with her technique, I'm pretty sure Madara's chakra arms would be able to deal with her vacuum attack.

Goemon makes oil formed with chakra. Kaguya's bones are not formed with chakra, so he can't absorb it. Can't absorb physical attacks, nor do you know how Kaguya's bones do what they do. You don't know if chakra is inside them, or if chakra is used to make them powerful and that's it. Madara gets boned by Kaguya. Low diff.

Kaguya overpowered Naruto's chakra arms, and I have no evidence from you that Madara's chakra arms>naruto's chakra arms, so Madara gets raped.

Yes they are. Teleportation is the same speed. Fact of the manga is that one-eyed Madara who wasn't aggressive was blitzed. You'll need proof of battle-ready two-eyed Madara being unable to react.

If they were, then Minato would have hit Madara just like Sasuke did, but he didn't. So no, all teleportation ATTACKS are not the same speed.

Lol, One Eyed Madara got blitzed, and there is no reason to believe that Two Eyed Madara is faster. Until you can prove that he is, there is no debate on this topic.

When was this? His five second cool-down also won't matter when there is Limbo to also use it. Doesn't matter if she can see them, there are virtually 5 Madara on the battlefield. She isn't getting near them. You also didn't even say anything about his wood-clones.

JJ Madara is a bonafide Senjutsu user, no reason to believe the Gudo Dama can't negated. Not to mention Naruto stated you can fight Nature Energy with Nature Energy. (Senjutsu vs. Gudo Dama) Go look at Chapter 642, last few pages.

She can't stop them, and you've failed to actually tell me how they stop her.

His Wood Clones are inferior to his Limbo so they get raped too.

Scans of Limbo using Ninjutsu?

 

[KidGamer65]

But then again, why am I even bothering with you? You are just going to continue fanboying Madara just like the last time we argued Madara vs. Kaguya.

 

[Nattana]

Kaguya low diffs.

 

[wael reda]

Kaguya wins even if her dimemnsions shifting is restricted

 

[Holy God]

And how much of that will


Goemon makes oil formed with chakra. Kaguya's bones are not formed with chakra, so he can't absorb it. Can't absorb physical attacks, nor do you know how Kaguya's bones do what they do. You don't know if chakra is inside them, or if chakra is used to make them powerful and that's it. Madara gets boned by Kaguya. Low diff.

Kaguya overpowered Naruto's chakra arms, and I have no evidence from you that Madara's chakra arms>naruto's chakra arms, so Madara gets raped.


If they were, then Minato would have hit Madara just like Sasuke did, but he didn't. So no, all teleportation ATTACKS are not the same speed.

Lol, One Eyed Madara got blitzed, and there is no reason to believe that Two Eyed Madara is faster. Until you can prove that he is, there is no debate on this topic.


JJ Madara is a bonafide Senjutsu user, no reason to believe the Gudo Dama can't negated. Not to mention Naruto stated you can fight Nature Energy with Nature Energy. (Senjutsu vs. Gudo Dama) Go look at Chapter 642, last few pages.

She can't stop them, and you've failed to actually tell me how they stop her.

His Wood Clones are inferior to his Limbo so they get raped too.

Scans of Limbo using Ninjutsu?

Incomplete sentence?

They have to be infused with chakra to be considered nin-jutsu, which is what they are. That means it's chakra would be absorbed and left with just a regular bone, which does the least damage possible.

They were even until Kaguya made that face, suggesting she started to try. Madara would be even more close to Kaguya's power, yet eventually would be overwhelmed. Not like a losing clash would do anything but blow him away though.

Not all attacks, but all teleportation is. Madara was able to respond to FTG even before he became the host of the Holy Tree. With an upgraded Sage Mode of that level, and being a natural sensor with the Rinnegan, of course he'd be able to react to Sasuke if he wanted.

They stop her from getting close to the original. Limbo was said to have equal ability to the user. Even if not, he'll use wood-clones, which are only inferior in the way that they'll die out after just one quality hit, to which he can create more of.

 

[KidGamer65]

Incomplete sentence?

How much of that stuff you mentioned will actually hurt her?

Zero.

They have to be infused with chakra to be considered nin-jutsu, which is what they are. That means it's chakra would be absorbed and left with just a regular bone, which does the least damage possible.

No, they don't. They can be refined with chakra, just like Kimimaro's bones. Considering it's the same KKG, that's clearly what it does. Refined with chakra doesn't mean there is chakra inside it, so Madara can't absorb it.

They were even until Kaguya made that face, suggesting she started to try. Madara would be even more close to Kaguya's power, yet eventually would be overwhelmed. Not like a losing clash would do anything but blow him away though.

And I'm still seeing no evidence that Madara's Chakra Arms are anywhere near Kaguya or Naruto's.

Not all attacks, but all teleportation is. Madara was able to respond to FTG even before he became the host of the Holy Tree. With an upgraded Sage Mode of that level, and being a natural sensor with the Rinnegan, of course he'd be able to react to Sasuke if he wanted.

Madara didn't respond to Hiraishin, he responded to Tobirama attacking him. Sasuke blitzed with Amenotejikara. FACT. Get me proof that Madara reacted or that 2 Eyed Madara is faster and then I'll concede this point, until then, you are wrong.

They stop her from getting close to the original. Limbo was said to have equal ability to the user. Even if not, he'll use wood-clones, which are only inferior in the way that they'll die out after just one quality hit, to which he can create more of.

She plows through them with her Vacuum Attack and then flattens Madara, no difficulty.

 

[Holy God]

How much of that stuff you mentioned will actually hurt her?

Zero.


No, they don't. They can be refined with chakra, just like Kimimaro's bones. Considering it's the same KKG, that's clearly what it does. Refined with chakra doesn't mean there is chakra inside it, so Madara can't absorb it.


And I'm still seeing no evidence that Madara's Chakra Arms are anywhere near Kaguya or Naruto's.


Madara didn't respond to Hiraishin, he responded to Tobirama attacking him. Sasuke blitzed with Amenotejikara. FACT. Get me proof that Madara reacted or that 2 Eyed Madara is faster and then I'll concede this point, until then, you are wrong.



She plows through them with her Vacuum Attack and then flattens Madara, no difficulty.

All of it.

Oho. Since when did Kimimaro refine his bones with chakra? He can manipulate his cells to make them grow bigger,stronger, and change shape, but that's it. As All Killing Ash Bone is defined as a nin-jutsu(in the DataBook), then it's ability has to do with chakra, which ultimately ends up being absorbed.

If you believe Madara's would have power weaker than Naruto's that's truly sad. Madara has more chakra, and of better quality. What's so hard to understand about that?

And what did Tobirama use? Flying Thunder God. You can tell he reacted as how in the panel is eye gaped open, the sound of teleportation is made.

Plows through them? You must've forgotten about Shinra Tensei.

 

[KidGamer65]

All of it.

Based on...? Oh wait, nothing.

Oho. Since when did Kimimaro refine his bones with chakra? He can manipulate his cells to make them grow bigger,stronger, and change shape, but that's it. As All Killing Ash Bone is defined as a nin-jutsu(in the DataBook), then it's ability has to do with chakra, which ultimately ends up being absorbed.

His chakra manipulates the calcium in the bones, and lets them grow harder and stronger.

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Does that mean there is chakra in his bones? Nope.

I don't care if it's defined as Ninjutsu. If it's not chakra, it can't be absorbed.

If you believe Madara's would have power weaker than Naruto's that's truly sad. Madara has more chakra, and of better quality. What's so hard to understand about that?

And I'm still seeing no proof.

And what did Tobirama use? Flying Thunder God. You can tell he reacted as how in the panel is eye gaped open, the sound of teleportation is made.

He sensed Tobirama once he had appeared, that isn't him reacting to Hiraishin.

Plows through them? You must've forgotten about Shinra Tensei.

You must have forgotten to give me scans of Limbo using Shinra Tensei. You also must have forgotten about the cooldown.

 

[Haizaki]

64 Palms GG.

 

[Benjamin King]

Madara mid difficulty against unrestricted Kaguya. Low difficulty with both Yin-Yang seals. Simple fact it's mid for the former is, because he has to weaken her and seal her with Chibaku Tensei, after she tires herself with constant teleportations and Madara overpowering her throughout the fight. Latter is low because he touches her and it's over; and given Naruto blitzed her from long-range, Madara can do it, as he's faster than Naruto.

-The only effective dimension she could use is her gravity, but with Madara's Rinnegan and Deva path to alter the laws of gravity, it's not working on him.

-Her portals aren't touching him, when he has superior Senjutsu and reflexes to Naruto, who was evading them effortlessly. Her portals are also accessible to Madara, since he has the Rinne Sharingan.

-Her bones are ineffective against both Preta Path and immortal. It has Chakra flowing to it, as that is how Kaguya is able to control them. Once it makes contact, Preta Path absorbs it.

-Her Truth Seeking Balls? Lol, what's that supposed to do to someone who is immortal, has the power to reshape the world via Sword of Nunoboko, which is wielded by all Juubi hosts. Exactly. Nothing.

Madara penetrates her vagina low diff. Lol

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lol, my sides. And how does Kaguya wanting to absorb Madara's chakra change the fact that she wins? He's immortal, so he can't even die, and he has to actually land the sealing marks to seal her. Lol...

Kaguya still shits on him.

-CT is plowed through with Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack.
-Susanoo (Assuming he has it) gets raped by Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack, or All Killing Ash Bones.
-Madara is never touching her due to her far superior speed. (Reacted to Amenotejikara and evaded it while Madara got blitzed by it) Not to mention Yomotsu Hirasaka is still unrestricted (her portals)

BOLD- What are you? trolling? That attack doesn't even have the destructive capabilities to take out not one but atleast 16 CT which makes Sasuke Susanoo look like a dot. If im correct Madara stated he can make them even bigger.

RED- Erm no kidgamer Madara Susanoo would be much above Sasuke's in terms of ummm EVERYTHING.

BLUE- Far superior? Stop your adding on these context words to try to improve your argument. Even if she is faster it's not by much at all.

 

[Strict]

Madara can do it, as he's faster than Naruto.

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[TRE MERCER]

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Im agreeing with the guy from dumb and dumber.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

These madara fans try to hard.

 

[KidGamer65]

BOLD- What are you? trolling? That attack doesn't even have the destructive capabilities to take out not one but atleast 16 CT which makes Sasuke Susanoo look like a dot. If im correct Madara stated he can make them even bigger.

This guy....

Sasuke cut those meteors up with ease, and those same slashes were being blocked by Naruto's Avatar, which is equal to Sasuke's in durability, and Kaguya ripped apart Sasuke's Susanoo. Do the math.

RED- Erm no kidgamer Madara Susanoo would be much above Sasuke's in terms of ummm EVERYTHING.

I'm seeing zero evidence that Madara's Susanoo will be strong enough to tank something that obliterated Sasuke's Susanoo in 5 hits. Maybe it'll take more, but that doesn't matter. Not to mention Ash Bones one shot it.

BLUE- Far superior? Stop your adding on these context words to try to improve your argument. Even if she is faster it's not by much at all.

Sasuke blitzed Madara w/ no reaction, Kaguya reacted to the same blitz attempt, and evaded with raw speed. That's a huge difference, if you bothered to even read before replying. I don't care for your statements, only an argument.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

She wins even in those conditions. I mean, when she got back a lot of chakra, she one-shotted a Rikkudo-enhanced PS.