Misconception: "Minato used FTG and not Body flicker"

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"Flight across space and time completed in a flash like instant" - Well yeah, it's talking about the Hiraishin no jutsu, that is the name of the page after all, or did you think the databook page wouldn't explain what the jutsu is. And then the sub text you speak of immediately starts by talking about how the jutsu works. By requiring a jutsu-shiki, which it then freaking points out to the reader with an arrow. It even puts another image right next to it showing the formula once more. That entire image was STRICTLY talking about the formula that is required to be placed. Again I'm still waiting for where it says minato uses the jutsu to save kakashi. All it says is he saves kakashi,and then gets to the main point of the topic, which is the hiraishin marking.

You also ignore all the exclamation marks. When Minato teleports behind Miharu, he has a ?!. And Obito and Rin both have ! when Minato teleports. But before that, neither Miharu, Rin or Obito were left in any kind of surprise. The fact is that kishi was consistent whenever regular movement was concerned, he used the same symbol. Even in the next chapter, when Minato arrives on the battle field, the same zoom effect is used . Hopwever with FTG, there was no such indication, no sound effect, no smoke effect, nothing. I feel like I'm just repeating myself. The only reason it mentions Minato saving kakshi first, is because it is telling us how he placed the jutsu formula. Nothing more than that.

Rin can differentiate between the two, because she saw him move from the location he was at, she was standing right next to him. However when Minato teleported, he just vanished completely, without making any movements whatsoever. With shinshin, he would've twitched or moved a foot or something or used a hand sign. With ftg, he dropped his bag and disappeared while standing still in a single spot. She's a chunin and body flicker is a D rank jutsu, of course she would've been able to tell the difference.

Rin can't differentiate between the two.

-Even Kakashi was not aware Minato teleported to his markings until after Minato saved him and Rin from the stone ninja, and told him how.

-Obito also also wasn't aware Minato teleported to his markings until Minato shat on him with Rasengan...
 

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Rin can't differentiate between the two.

-Even Kakashi was not aware Minato teleported to his markings until after Minato saved him and Rin from the stone ninja, and told him how.

-Obito also also wasn't aware Minato teleported to his markings until Minato shat on him with Rasengan...
WTF. Rin watched him the entire time, she saw everything. Your explanation is she cant because... you say so? Moving from A to B using body flicker that leaves dust traces and sound. While FTG is completely disappearing without a trace or sound. Maybe if rin was academy level, she wouldn't tell the difference.. come on now :rolleyes:

Minato explained that the kunai alerts him when it flies. Kakashi was surprised because he wondered how Minato knew they were in danger, not how minato got to them. Kakashi knows exactly how his jutsu works. Everyone in the war does, the fodder cloud ninja saw his kunai and knew straight away what it was. Ay had never met minato and knew exactly how his jutsu worked. Yet you think the students he'd been on countless missions with never knew Lol

Again, what his students didn't was he could move to flying kunai. It caught obito off guard becuase he didn't expect minato to teleport to a flying kunai. Obito caught minato in his chains before that, and saw Minato teleport directly to his kunai. There's a reason minato has a separate name for teleporting to moving kunai.
 

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dude it was ftg...... lol.

WTF. Rin watched him the entire time, she saw everything. Your explanation is she cant because... you say so? Moving from A to B using body flicker that leaves dust traces and sound. While FTG is completely disappearing without a trace or sound. Maybe if rin was academy level, she wouldn't tell the difference.. come on now :rolleyes:

Minato explained that the kunai alerts him when it flies. Kakashi was surprised because he wondered how Minato knew they were in danger, not how minato got to them. Kakashi knows exactly how his jutsu works. Everyone in the war does, the fodder cloud ninja saw his kunai and knew straight away what it was. Ay had never met minato and knew exactly how his jutsu worked. Yet you think the students he'd been on countless missions with never knew Lol

Again, what his students didn't was he could move to flying kunai. It caught obito off guard becuase he didn't expect minato to teleport to a flying kunai. Obito caught minato in his chains before that, and saw Minato teleport directly to his kunai. There's a reason minato has a separate name for teleporting to moving kunai.
@Bold, and theres a reason that Tobirama doesn't. Because its simply FTG. Minato has it because he likes naming crap.
 
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WTF. Rin watched him the entire time, she saw everything. Your explanation is she cant because... you say so? Moving from A to B using body flicker that leaves dust traces and sound. While FTG is completely disappearing without a trace or sound. Maybe if rin was academy level, she wouldn't tell the difference.. come on now :rolleyes:

Minato explained that the kunai alerts him when it flies. Kakashi was surprised because he wondered how Minato knew they were in danger, not how minato got to them. Kakashi knows exactly how his jutsu works. Everyone in the war does, the fodder cloud ninja saw his kunai and knew straight away what it was. Ay had never met minato and knew exactly how his jutsu worked. Yet you think the students he'd been on countless missions with never knew Lol

Again, what his students didn't was he could move to flying kunai. It caught obito off guard becuase he didn't expect minato to teleport to a flying kunai. Obito caught minato in his chains before that, and saw Minato teleport directly to his kunai. There's a reason minato has a separate name for teleporting to moving kunai.

Yeah but your saying she's so excited because of how awesome the speed of FTG is (that's what she is showing her excitement over in the scan). Yet at best the only thing she would have seen during the use of shun shin is some dust which is not impossible to miss.. She herself even mixes up the two and refers to FTG as shun shin
 

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Yeah but your saying she's so excited because of how awesome the speed of FTG is (that's what she is showing her excitement over in the scan). Yet at best the only thing she would have seen during the use of shun shin is some dust which is not impossible to miss.. She herself even mixes up the two and refers to FTG as shun shin

FTG has been referred to as Teleportation numerous times in the manga. Especially by those who don't actually know the name of the jutsu, just refer to it as teleportation.


Still doesn't take away from the fact that there is clear distinction made by the author between the 2 jutsu in that very same chapter. FTG was soundless and trace-less (and left exclamation marks above 3 different characters), while shunshin left traces (dust) and made sound (zoom). That's a really bug distinction if you ask me.
 

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FTG has been referred to as Teleportation numerous times in the manga. Especially by those who don't actually know the name of the jutsu, just refer to it as teleportation.


Still doesn't take away from the fact that there is clear distinction made by the author between the 2 jutsu in that very same chapter. FTG was soundless and trace-less (and left exclamation marks above 3 different characters), while shunshin left traces (dust) and made sound (zoom). That's a really bug distinction if you ask me.

FTG is not always trace-less

 
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FTG is not always trace-less


That's why I said in before... That's how kishi drew it back then. Of course things change over course of time, I wouldn't expect an author to be incredibly consistent to that degree, when that was over 250 chapters later from the time he drew it in the gaiden. The important thing is how it was depicted back in those chapters, which kishi showed it left no sound or trace then, however regular movement was all shown to be the same (dust and sounfd).
 

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Minato's fanboys...:coffee:

SFX is always heard when Minato teleports.
 

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Minato's fanboys...:coffee:

SFX is always heard when Minato teleports.

Sigh, don't read. Quick to open your mouth, don't even understand what's going on.

Sfx wasn't used when FTG was first introduced. Was completely silent. Go read the page of you want, I have no reason to lie.
 
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OP is trying to interpret something that wasn't left up to interpretation

Not at all. From reading what he written, he is correct.

He not interpreting different, it just people have always misinterpret it. The scan not show or tell of of hirasihin coming to kakashis rescue. It specifically show us how the mechanisms of hiraishin no jutsu broken in two stages. #1 is jutsu shiki (putting seal on foot)... And #2 is initiation of teleportation.
 

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Not at all. From reading what he written, he is correct.

He not interpreting different, it just people have always misinterpret it. The scan not show or tell of of hirasihin coming to kakashis rescue. It specifically show us how the mechanisms of hiraishin no jutsu broken in two stages. #1 is jutsu shiki (putting seal on foot)... And #2 is initiation of teleportation.

That grammar though :heh:

But yeah, thanks. It seems you understand.
 

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Of course rin can differentiate between hiraishin and normal shunshin, she isn't blind and brain dead.
 

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Of course rin can differentiate between hiraishin and normal shunshin, she isn't blind and brain dead.

It's pretty clear by her reaction that it was the first time of her seeing FTG that day. Even the Rock ninja differentiated between the two.
 
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Genins do that all the time :rolleyes:

Rin already Chunin, and skilled medic ninja by age 12. Hiruzen not send genin to war, he not a fool. Rin obviously intelligent and skilled. She even resist rock ninja genjutsu, that how skilled she is. More potential than even sakura, who was 13 before started to learm useful things.
 

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Genins do that all the time :rolleyes:

Genins, chunnins are even jounins got killed by kyuubi

Guess

they (•_•)
werent ( •_•)>⌐□-□
fast enough (⌐□_□)

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Genins, chunnins are even jounins got killed by kyuubi and FTG using hokages

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werent ( •_•)>⌐□-□
fast enough (⌐□_□)

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Guess they didnt have FTG :rolleyes:
 

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That FFFP SFX bothers me thou :rolleyes:

minato placing markings on leaves now? Coincidence that that specific tree would be needed by minato in the future. I think all marking are always placed on a flat surface.

Not to mention that this isn't viz. No idea what the actual translation for the effects are. Because look at the kanji/japanese symbol on this page:

And then look at it on this page:


They're completely different symbols yet the translator puts the same sound effect.
 
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