Base Minato vs Mobile Nagato

[Strict]

Jesus, what did I just read.

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scenario. The toads also proved to be very flexible, being able to jump at outstanding heights and fight while in the air. Your statement was actually so ridiculous that it's hard to reply on such a level. Gymnastic Manga. And calls my statement grasping at draws.

It never was the talk about the toads death; as I said, broken bones would be the worst case scenario here, which isn't even necessarily happen, rather not happening. Broken bones would be a tolerable sacrifice to safe Minato's life. No one talks about sacrificing a toad for Minato's "benefit". The Shinra Tensei shot the toads out of Konoha, making their huge body mass smash into the ground uncontrolled. In the case of Chibaku Tensei however, Gamabunta can control his landing.

And again, his Kunai don't count as preparation. Edo Tensei doesn't either. As this preparation is done once and never again, and the user can make use of this in any unprepared fight. Is the Kuchiyose no Jutsu preparation, as the user needs to make a contract with the summonings? Are Sasori's puppets preparation as he first needs to construct them? Obviously not. This is no preparation. Preparation means to prepare for the fight.

Your arguments were horrible.

 

[Haizaki]

Ken masters

- You said he teleports home, Shendu tells you its BFR. You then show a scan of Minato teleporting himself and the Alliance to a different position in the same battlefield? Nice Lol.

- The scan of Minato reacting to Obito isn't a legit one of sensory ability at play. I'm not too familiar with his sensory skills but Shendu showed you one of how he switches if I'm correct? Are you telling me that Fuu also sensed an intangible Obito as he basically did the same ?

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Evident he was intangible as you can see the Mask color and line color on his attire are both different when he becomes Tangible there.

 

[Bronze]

Use fucking spoilers. Also, at that time, he wasn't fighting; Gai was. Your examples are invalid.

Minato tries to teleport away from the battlefield = automatic loss.
He stays in the battlefield = gets shat on by Nagato.

 

[Apêx1]

Jesus, what did I just read.

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scenario. The toads also proved to be very flexible, being able to jump at outstanding heights and fight while in the air. Your statement was actually so ridiculous that it's hard to reply on such a level. Gymnastic Manga. And calls my statement grasping at draws.

It never was the talk about the toads death; as I said, broken bones would be the worst case scenario here, which isn't even necessarily happen, rather not happening. Broken bones would be a tolerable sacrifice to safe Minato's life. No one talks about sacrificing a toad for Minato's "benefit". The Shinra Tensei shot the toads out of Konoha, making their huge body mass smash into the ground uncontrolled. In the case of Chibaku Tensei however, Gamabunta can control his landing.

And again, his Kunai don't count as preparation. Edo Tensei doesn't either. As this preparation is done once and never again, and the user can make use of this in any unprepared fight. Is the Kuchiyose no Jutsu preparation, as the user needs to make a contract with the summonings? Are Sasori's puppets preparation as he first needs to construct them? Obviously not. This is no preparation. Preparation means to prepare for the fight.

Your arguments were horrible.

And you once again show your idiocy. First of all, those rocks won't be large enough to hold Bunta, as Bunta will only be summoned after CT is initiated, otherwise he'd be killed prior to CT's employment. DO you even know how jumping works? My god, I'm speaking to a child here. You push the ground and thus an equal force reacts against you, pushing you up. Given Bunta's size and strength, he'll send that rock 10 meters down before it begins going back in CT's gravitational direction. That jump won't suffice much, though it'll help a little. And you clearly didn't address my whole point. As I said before, do a backflip while skydiving and you won't stop spinning, you can't stop yourself from spinning faster and faster. Same with the toads, he tries a 180 flip and he'll flip 100 times over, killing Minato. And then you tell me my arguments make no sense, my god.

The only thing I suggested was out of character was sending the toad to his grave. So unless you are hallucinating while reading my post, you where replying to the toad dying. And again, based on what is broken bones the worst case scenario? You really don't understand how the world works do you. I'm assuming you're 14 so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Punch someone and he reduces the force significantly by going along with your punch. When ST sent Bunta 100's of meters away breaking his bones, he moved with the ST reducing the impact significantly. Stay in his location and he'd be as flat as paper. On the other hand, punch someone and if he keeps his head completely still preventing your hand from following through, he feels the full brunt of the swing, taking far more damage. Same will happen here, Bunta will jump towards CT while CT is pulling him towards it. He'll be going at a very fast speed for someone so large, and he'll die when he makes contact without him being able to move backwards. As I said before, the more force you put against the ground, the more the ground puts force against you. In this case, Bunta is likely to feel far more force than he did against Deva's ST. And Lol, Bunta will not be controlling his body the second he tries to spin.

And once again you go full retard. Edo Tensei is prep. FTG Kunai's are prep. I couldn't care less if you liked it or not, seriously. You changed the topic and broadened it to the point that one can say practicing Ninjutsu is prep. That's not how it works. Minato cannot use something he pre-set before the fight, that's all there is to it. He set it up before the fight and he put it there through his journey are both the exact same thing. How he did it isn't relevant at all, because they can be seen as prep at the end of the day; whether they are or are not. Given that OP has also denied the possibility for these prepped Kunai's being available for Minato's usage, your whole point falters.

Your points were naive.

 

[closecombat1254]

Sshunshin Bunta can do backflips now? You're grasping at straws here, in no way would anything of the sort happen, this ain't no gymnastic manga. Bunta cannot choose to do a simple 180, it does not work in such a way. Go skydiving and try a 180, tell me if you can stop spinning.. People need to start being realistic here and stop the "I can make a strategy" bullshit. It makes no sense, and has never, and would never happen; as it is not possible in real world physics, nor does a toad actually have the ability to put his weight on one part of his body since they can't move anything bar their limbs and necks (while we can use our core to do such, though it wouldn't happen in such a circumstance due to the gravity). And how would that not be the case? The CT's gravitational force is far more powerful than the S/T's force which broke every bone in his body. Not to mention he's going head on, so he won't have the ability to be pushed away, thus minimise the impact, he will go head on and he won't bump backwards to reduce the force. So no, death won't be permitted by Minato, that's out of character.

No, you fail at this point. You are not what decides what is within Minato's methodological way of thinking. In no way would Minato agree on the death of his toad for his own benefit, you are twisting Minato's good-willed character in order to prevent a concession.

And now we are under the assumption that Minato's clones can Shunshin while CT is taking effect. We saw KCM Naruto fight Nagato. He had seen the jutsu before and he didn't even try to escape, despite his Shunshin being vastly superior to that of Minato's. He tries no clones, nothing of the sort. You either destroy CT, counter it in some way, or lose. There's no escape to it, and there will be no escape from it by Minato. Unless they are already outside of the CT range by the time CT has been initiated, they end up going back to the CT as do the rocks that are 100 times heavier than them.

That's because they were prepped from before hand. Konan does not get the bombs in her fights, she'd be top tier. Kabuto and Oro don't get their Edo's, that's prep. They were put there, thus they are counted as prep as this fight was directly or indirectly prepared for with Hirashin Markings. You not getting it doesn't matter, what matters is that they are counted as prep regardless.

In an unprepared fight, they are not.

Dude minato can simply shuhin to ct and grab it before the gravity effect start and teleport it back to pain which leave pain two options deactivated ct or be crushed

 

[Indestructible]

Dude minato can simply shuhin to ct and grab it before the gravity effect start and teleport it back to pain which leave pain two options deactivated ct or be crushed

Minato can grab the CT core? Are you insane...

 

[closecombat1254]

Minato can grab the CT core? Are you insane...

Pain can hold in his hand manga fact
Fact 2 ct doesn't start its gravity effect intill its thousands of feet in the air so between the time it leave pain hand and is thousands of feet in the air its defenses less so are you minato the fast alive ninja can't throw a kunia or grab and teleport back

 

[Gold Lightning]

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Ken masters

- You said he teleports home, Shendu tells you its BFR. You then show a scan of Minato teleporting himself and the Alliance to a different position in the same battlefield? Nice Lol.

- The scan of Minato reacting to Obito isn't a legit one of sensory ability at play. I'm not too familiar with his sensory skills but Shendu showed you one of how he switches if I'm correct? Are you telling me that Fuu also sensed an intangible Obito as he basically did the same ?

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Evident he was intangible as you can see the Mask color and line color on his attire are both different when he becomes Tangible there.

Fu = Yamanka = Best sensors of konoha :erm:

Obito can be sensed. Remember when kcm Naruto closed his eyes to sense Obito who tried to sneak attack him with kamui. Obito can be sensed while intangible (as Naruto does in these scans):

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[Ken Masters]

Ken masters

- You said he teleports home, Shendu tells you its BFR. You then show a scan of Minato teleporting himself and the Alliance to a different position in the same battlefield? Nice Lol.

- The scan of Minato reacting to Obito isn't a legit one of sensory ability at play. I'm not too familiar with his sensory skills but Shendu showed you one of how he switches if I'm correct? Are you telling me that Fuu also sensed an intangible Obito as he basically did the same ?

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Evident he was intangible as you can see the Mask color and line color on his attire are both different when he becomes Tangible there.

why the hell are you butting in?

- re-read the manga you moron minardo never "teleported" to battlefield he made it there on foot. the whole point of my post was showing minardo's speed and how he traveled across shinobi continent in hours. so the whole bfr thingy is pointless.

- lol niqqa that switch was for sensing loss of ynag kurama. general chakra built up can be sensed mid battle as we've seen being done countless times by fodder sensores and minardo is tobirama level sensor capable of sensing from countries away.

Use fucking spoilers. Also, at that time, he wasn't fighting; Gai was. Your examples are invalid.

Minato tries to teleport away from the battlefield = automatic loss.
He stays in the battlefield = gets shat on by Nagato.

at least i use manga pages lol

-gai was? niqqa gai owned madara's fodder ass neg diff because minardo took away 6 TSB's do you know what that means? the tsb is the main power of the juubi jin. reason why obito was never owned because he didn't lose a single tsb. nardo was constatly getting powerless throughout because he was losing tsb, he lost 3 against madara. 3 aaginst kaguya. he fought sasky with only 3 tsb

if minardo didn't take away madara's tsb he'd have survived against bz and succeeded in his own MT. essentially minardo is the major reason why madara lost or say got owned by likes of sasky lol

- shat on? niqqa please ima give you a list of people who tanked this so called CST

1. kiba
2. sai
3. hinata
4. kiba's mom
5. akamaru
6. anbu fodders
7.shit load of other fodders

 

[A v i]

Don't know nor care what the commotion is about between you two, but I noticed you stated An Edo Feat.
Alive Minato

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away, Edo Kurama Minato was the one that Teleported the Juubidama.

You are totally overlooking his feats before facing Kyuubi. He was suppressing Kyuubi's seal during Naruto's birth and made a barrier(One strong enough to hold Kyuubi). I am sure he lost most of his chakra during Naruto's birth as suppressing Kyuubi's seal isn't an easy deal(At least not for someone who's not blessed with the powers of Senju or Uchiha).

Regardless, my point is size doesn't matter as long as Minato has enough chakra he can use S/T barrier. Minato's well aware of his limits and he's definitely not stupid enough to waste his chakra by waiting until the CT gets too big. He'll teleport it before it gets much bigger as it'll save loads of chakra for him.

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IDK... It looks pretty close to the Juubidama since both dwarf over mountains but at full (not even nagato's limit in size btw) his CT is bigger.

Implying that all mountains in NV are of same size but I don't think so, If you observe carefully those mountains are barely bigger than forests/trees around them(

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. Comparing them with something bigger than Juubi is a joke if you ask me.

I'm not even going to take you seriously anymore, lmao.

How does Minato close the distance before it's too big? Can he fly? No? That's what I thought. If he throws a Kunai and teleports to it chances are he's too close to the core at that point and weaving signs is no option. Second of all, you'll have to prove S/T Barrier can move; I'll be waiting. Third of all, you still are retarded. Why? Because even if I where to hypothetically say he could put the whole CT in S/T Barrier, it would go nowhere at all. Why? Because you need to teleport the CT orb, but where can he possibly teleport it since all Kunai's are inside the CT? My god. Why would CT fall apart when Nagato is maintaining control over it? It won't, unless you can provide evidence as to why it would. And it's not hard to understand at this point from a grammatical perspective, but it's extremely hard to understand from a logical and reasonable perspective (since it makes 0 sense).

What? Becoming a Jinchuriki automatically makes your chakra reserves larger as shown and implied with Naruto 1000 times over. I don't need to provide proof that Alive Minato can do what Edo Minato can. The burden of proof is on you, as Minato needed a decent amount of time to teleport something far smaller.

I'm gonna ignore that you think the Juubi is larger than a mountain range..

S/T barrier has been addressed.

The fact that CT stays in tact even though Rikudo is dead is all the proof I need. Same with Naruto and Sasuke, they need naught continuously upkeep the Susano, the gravitational field is present in the core and it will be present in every dimension it goes to (till you can prove that the dimension has no gravity despite Kamuiland having gravity). Nagato simply made a mistake while actually maintaining the CT in his deathbed, he could've simply kept it the way it is by stopping the Deva power, but that possibly would also stop Deva Paths from functioning properly (since Deva would be halted after all).

I don't care about Sasuke and Sage. We are talking about Nagato and his CT fall apart when he lost control over it which is more than enough for me.I am not going to bother with S/T barrier any more as I agree with what blaze said below.

And for Juubi argument: Those mountains around Konoha are barely bigger than trees as you can see

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. They are nothing compared to mountains in this

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and are not even close to Juubi which is far larger than PS.

Yes that was a big range, however my points still stand, it is a jutsu that ascends therefore how it is going to go throw the barrier is what i don't understand and its not like the barrier has any suction capability. Then there is the trouble of the whole area along with minato ascending and joining CT. Just cannot see how the barrier is going to work agains't this jutsu but also the scenario Minato would be in, maybe its just me. Anyway i have given my 2 cents

Fair point.

I guess S/T barrier doesn't work.

And you once again show your idiocy. First of all, those rocks won't be large enough to hold Bunta, as Bunta will only be summoned after CT is initiated, otherwise he'd be killed prior to CT's employment. DO you even know how jumping works? My god, I'm speaking to a child here. You push the ground and thus an equal force reacts against you, pushing you up. Given Bunta's size and strength, he'll send that rock 10 meters down before it begins going back in CT's gravitational direction. That jump won't suffice much, though it'll help a little. And you clearly didn't address my whole point. As I said before, do a backflip while skydiving and you won't stop spinning, you can't stop yourself from spinning faster and faster. Same with the toads, he tries a 180 flip and he'll flip 100 times over, killing Minato. And then you tell me my arguments make no sense, my god.

If they can hold

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, I can't see why they can't hold Bunta.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

CT is easily handled, Minato just sends a close to jump towards it and the second it makes contact with the rock core/the chakra core he teleports it to god knows where.

 

[Gold Lightning]

CT is easily handled, Minato just sends a close to jump towards it and the second it makes contact with the rock core/the chakra core he teleports it to god knows where.

Problem is minatos outside/pre existing markings cause hissy fits here because people know Minato can deal with such techniques. Although I've already addressed how he makes an extra marking via clone, so it's all good.

By the way, Minato doesn't need to let a clone touch then rock. He justs lets go of a Kunai and the gravity pulls it towards the rock, once the kunai and rock are in contact, Minato can use that to teleport the rock.

 

[Apêx1]

I don't care about Sasuke and Sage. We are talking about Nagato and his CT fall apart when he lost control over it which is more than enough for me.I am not going to bother with S/T barrier any more as I agree with what blaze said below.

And for Juubi argument: Those mountains around Konoha are barely bigger than trees as you can see

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. They are nothing compared to mountains in this

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and are not even close to Juubi which is far larger than PS.

Ok.

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Please tell me you are not being serious when you say trees that are sitting on the mountain are as big as the mountains.. They are being elevated by the mountains themselves.. And the closer something is, the larger it will look. Not to mention, CT is above the clouds. The mountains are clearly far higher than the trees. And you also misunderstand. I am saying the size of mountain ranges, as in, the horizontal length on the page. From one point of the crater to the last. That is CT's gravitational range. The crater is about 9 mountains long, no way in hell will anyone cross that with a shunshin, nor would a kunai cross such a distance, ever. There's really nothing to debate here, each mountain is immensely wide; that's a fact. Whether mountain sizes vary is irrelevant, these are some of the larger mountains in the manga.

If they can hold

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, I can't see why they can't hold Bunta.

Look again. My premise is based on the fact those rocks broke beneath Hachibi, so they will definitely break underneath Bunta. Thanks for the scan doe.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Problem is minatos outside/pre existing markings cause hissy fits here because people know Minato can deal with such techniques. Although I've already addressed how he makes an extra marking via clone, so it's all good.

By the way, Minato doesn't need to let a clone touch then rock. He justs lets go of a Kunai and the gravity pulls it towards the rock, once the kunai and rock are in contact, Minato can use that to teleport the rock.

Fair enough.

 

[Strict]

And you once again show your idiocy. First of all, those rocks won't be large enough to hold Bunta, as Bunta will only be summoned after CT is initiated, otherwise he'd be killed prior to CT's employment. DO you even know how jumping works? My god, I'm speaking to a child here. You push the ground and thus an equal force reacts against you, pushing you up. Given Bunta's size and strength, he'll send that rock 10 meters down before it begins going back in CT's gravitational direction. That jump won't suffice much, though it'll help a little. And you clearly didn't address my whole point. As I said before, do a backflip while skydiving and you won't stop spinning, you can't stop yourself from spinning faster and faster. Same with the toads, he tries a 180 flip and he'll flip 100 times over, killing Minato. And then you tell me my arguments make no sense, my god.

In this case, Minato himself jumps towards Chibaku Tensei and summons Bunta before he lands. Thus, even the impact is cushioned, as Bunta won't fly into the Chibaku Tensei but will be summoned right at the sphere. Still don't know what bullshit you talk about with backflips. You try to use logic and physics in a Manga, where Shinobi are shown to land on their feet from a height of several hundreds meters unproblematically and survive being smashed into the wall and ground without their bones being broken. Yet you continue this bullshit. Fact is, the tactic I displayed is within Minato's capabilities. Simply jumping towards Chibaku Tensei and summoning Gamabunta beneath his feet; if Minato jumps towards the sphere with his anterior view, Gamabunda will be summoned in the right stance. This bullshit counter is anything you can say to Minato's legitimate counter to Chibaku Tensei; insisting on the grotesque idea that Minato will fail to summon Gamabunta in the right stance while being under the influence of Chibaku Tensei's gravitation. The gravitation of Chibaku Tensei is the same as the earth's but in reverse and stronger. So if Minato can summon Gamabunta beneath his feet while falling towards the ground, he can do the same if he "falls" (jumps) towards the sphere with his anterior view. The Food Cart Destroyer technique summons the summon above the ground and lets it fall towards the ground due to gravity. Chibaku Tensei is the same concept of gravitation and would let the summon "fall" towards the sphere, or in this case being summoned at the sphere by Minato to reduce the impact.

The only thing I suggested was out of character was sending the toad to his grave. So unless you are hallucinating while reading my post, you where replying to the toad dying. And again, based on what is broken bones the worst case scenario? You really don't understand how the world works do you. I'm assuming you're 14 so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Punch someone and he reduces the force significantly by going along with your punch. When ST sent Bunta 100's of meters away breaking his bones, he moved with the ST reducing the impact significantly. Stay in his location and he'd be as flat as paper. On the other hand, punch someone and if he keeps his head completely still preventing your hand from following through, he feels the full brunt of the swing, taking far more damage. Same will happen here, Bunta will jump towards CT while CT is pulling him towards it. He'll be going at a very fast speed for someone so large, and he'll die when he makes contact without him being able to move backwards. As I said before, the more force you put against the ground, the more the ground puts force against you. In this case, Bunta is likely to feel far more force than he did against Deva's ST. And Lol, Bunta will not be controlling his body the second he tries to spin.

Same bullshit again. I never mentioned Gamabunta's death to begin with; I said that broken bones will be a tolerable sacrifice.
Your real life comparison also makes no sense, since in the case of Deva's Shinra Tensei, the toads smashed into the ground. Punch someone in the face and let him bounce with his head on the ground, it will be at least as bad as if he clunk on the ground with his head. The same impact. When Chibaku Tensei symbolizes a free fall to the ground, Shinra Tensei symbolizes an impact literally smashing you against a wall or into the ground. As it was the case with the toads, which were slung away and smashed against walls or into the ground. A free fall is always controlled, an impact by the Shinra Tensei not. Shinobi are shown to land on their feet from several hundreds meters without problems but in the same time are left with broken bones or other damage if the Shinra Tensei or another strong force smashed them against another resistance like the ground or a wall. Seems like you are quite retarded, if a "14-years old" has to explain such simple things to you.

And once again you go full retard. Edo Tensei is prep. FTG Kunai's are prep. I couldn't care less if you liked it or not, seriously. You changed the topic and broadened it to the point that one can say practicing Ninjutsu is prep. That's not how it works. Minato cannot use something he pre-set before the fight, that's all there is to it. He set it up before the fight and he put it there through his journey are both the exact same thing. How he did it isn't relevant at all, because they can be seen as prep at the end of the day; whether they are or are not. Given that OP has also denied the possibility for these prepped Kunai's being available for Minato's usage, your whole point falters.

Your points were naive.

If you say that the Kunai count as preparation, you also agree that Sasori's puppets, the Kuchiyose no Jutsu and Kakuzu's masks are all preparation. Why these double standards you fool?

I won't reply to your next post if it contains just the same bullshit. Minato counters Chibaku Tensei, that's a fact, your bullshit mindless logic won't change that.

 

[Apêx1]

In this case, Minato himself jumps towards Chibaku Tensei and summons Bunta before he lands. Thus, even the impact is cushioned, as Bunta won't fly into the Chibaku Tensei but will be summoned right at the sphere. Still don't know what bullshit you talk about with backflips. You try to use logic and physics in a Manga, where Shinobi are shown to land on their feet from a height of several hundreds meters unproblematically and survive being smashed into the wall and ground without their bones being broken. Yet you continue this bullshit. Fact is, the tactic I displayed is within Minato's capabilities. Simply jumping towards Chibaku Tensei and summoning Gamabunta beneath his feet; if Minato jumps towards the sphere with his anterior view, Gamabunda will be summoned in the right stance. This bullshit counter is anything you can say to Minato's legitimate counter to Chibaku Tensei; insisting on the grotesque idea that Minato will fail to summon Gamabunta in the right stance while being under the influence of Chibaku Tensei's gravitation. The gravitation of Chibaku Tensei is the same as the earth's but in reverse and stronger. So if Minato can summon Gamabunta beneath his feet while falling towards the ground, he can do the same if he "falls" (jumps) towards the sphere with his anterior view. The Food Cart Destroyer technique summons the summon above the ground and lets it fall towards the ground due to gravity. Chibaku Tensei is the same concept of gravitation and would let the summon "fall" towards the sphere, or in this case being summoned at the sphere by Minato to reduce the impact.

Which would once again make Minato land first on the CT. Minato cannot choose to go into the CT with his feet first, as I have said 3 times now, if he attempts to 180 he will not stop spinning. And physics and logic are always applicable until the manga establishes its own physics in that specific scenario. Good thing it hasn't. Yes, shinobi have high endurance. However, nothing whatsoever suggests that a Shinobi would survive if he purposefully used his full strength to jump into the direction of gravity. He's basically going at 3 times speed+, thus 3 times the impact level. Good thing Minato doesn't choose his stance when going to it, unless he can balance on his head, despite the fact that moving your body weight efficiently when gravity is so powerful is nigh impossible. @ bold, never mind everything I said, you are still as retarded as ever. If Minato is jumping with his head first (that is posterior after all) then Bunta is being summoned beneath him. Thus he is still the first thing to make contact with CT, followed by Bunta dying right behind him. @underlined False. You are actually saying that CT's gravitation is like earth's but slightly stronger? CT is ripping apart mountains piece by piece. It is tearing every construct apart even if it is above ground, whereas earth's gravity doesn't have the force to tear them apart despite them being distant from its crust. CT's gravitation is immensely more powerful. Food cart destroyer works because Bunta is landing on his feet. When Minato is in his posterior view, he's basically in Food Cart Destroyer position with no 3rd party gravity influence. However, this time Bunta would land on his face rather than his feet, so that completely and utterly shits on your point. Only because gravity is reversed does not mean Minato's upright position is reversed. He can try to reverse it, but such is impossible.

Same bullshit again. I never mentioned Gamabunta's death to begin with; I said that broken bones will be a tolerable sacrifice.
Your real life comparison also makes no sense, since in the case of Deva's Shinra Tensei, the toads smashed into the ground. Punch someone in the face and let him bounce with his head in to the ground, it will be at least as bad as if he clunk on the ground with his head. The same impact. When Chibaku Tensei symbolizes a free fall to the ground, Shinra Tensei symbolizes an impact literally smashing you against a wall or into the ground. As it was the case with the toads, which were slung away and smashed against walls or into the ground. A free fall is always controlled, an impact by the Shinra Tensei not. Shinobi are shown to land on their feet from several hundreds meters without problems but in the same time are left with broken bones or other damage if the Shinra Tensei or another strong force smashed them against another resistance like the ground or a wall. Seems like you are quite retarded, if a "14-years old" has to explain such simple things to you.

I don't care if you mentioned it, you don't have to mention something for me to bring it up. His death is imminent. And broken bones are a tolerable sacrifice by no means. Minato would not scapegoat a summon for his own benefit, similarly to Naruto. Evident from the way he speaks to Kurama, he does not discriminate to non-human entities. You are twisting his character to fit an argument. Your logic is astonishing. I can't believe you missed the point of that analogy, even if your head is bouncing from the floor, that in itself is reducing the impact significantly. Hitting your head and not bouncing it would make you take the full brunt of the attack. That is the whole point. Bunta will hit CT and he will not be capable of bouncing from it, he will take the full and entire brunt of the impact without the capability of erecting chakra from his feet. My god. Shinra Tensei was to be 'countered' by putting chakra beneath the feet. However, that would make it worse for the person putting chakra beneath his feet. Do you get it or nah? Bunta jumps, while a massive gravitation far stronger than earth's pulls him towards it. Bunta takes the full brunt by not being capable of bouncing. Bunta is now dead. It is not hard to grasp, well at least, for anyone who has reading comprehension on the level of a 6th grader+.

If you say that the Kunai count as preparation, you also agree that Sasori's puppets, the Kuchiyose no Jutsu and Kakuzu's masks are all preparation. Why these double standards you fool?

I won't reply to your next post if it contains just the same bullshit. Minato counters Chibaku Tensei, that's a fact, your bullshit mindless logic won't change that.

Minato's Kunai's count as prep because him having pre-set Kunai's while the opponent having nothing pre-set makes the fight begin in an advantage for Minato. No, puppet masters are exceptions because that is the only way they fight, it's not being used as an advantageous utility by the user. Kuchiyose could be counted as prep, you are correct. I did not deny that. Kakuzu's masks are not prep, the masks are what allow him to live. It's like saying eating food is prep because he has more Carbohydrates in his body then said opponent.

 

[Dage The Evil]

Why are people still on this thread?? XD

 

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If Minato is jumping with his head first (that is posterior after all) then Bunta is being summoned beneath him

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There you go.
Naruto is shown to fall with his head ahead to the ground and summons Gamabunta before him to land on his head. There you have your canon scan of a summoner being able to accomplish something like this. Waiting for your next bs.

2. As I said, Minato can also jump towards Chibaku Tensei and summon Gamabunta right at the sphere. Thus, there is no impact, since Gamabunta doesn't fly towards the sphere but is summoned right at it.

And of course, broken bones would be a tolerable sacrifice. Bunta himself would allow this sacrifice for the life of his summoner. In order to safe Minato's life, Gamabunta would sacrifice bones. Broken bones can be cured, a life not. Assumed that Gamabunta will break his bones, what isn't necessarily the case. And again, what's in-character or not is not up to your estimation. Fact is, Minato can do this.

For the sake of brevity, you have no argument against this legit counter, you are just clinging at straws as you don't want to accept that Minato is able to do this.

And puppets count as prep. It's their fighting style, so what? Yet it is preparation, as he first needs to construct them. Just as it's Minato's fighting style to send projectiles or objects away. And Kakuzu's masks are also preparation. If he wants to live longer, he takes one heart. But he consciously stocks up his hearts to benefit from the elements and use them.

 

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Please tell me you are not being serious when you say trees that are sitting on the mountain are as big as the mountains.. They are being elevated by the mountains themselves.. And the closer something is, the larger it will look. Not to mention, CT is above the clouds. The mountains are clearly far higher than the trees.

@ Bold: I don't see any trees sitting on mountains in that scan.

Anyone with two good eyes can clearly see that those mountains aren't much higher than forests around them in this scan. [

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] (Bottom right panel).

And you also misunderstand. I am saying the size of mountain ranges, as in, the horizontal length on the page. From one point of the crater to the last. That is CT's gravitational range. The crater is about 9 mountains long, no way in hell will anyone cross that with a shunshin, nor would a kunai cross such a distance, ever. There's really nothing to debate here, each mountain is immensely wide; that's a fact. Whether mountain sizes vary is irrelevant, these are some of the larger mountains in the manga.

It seems like you didn't even read my posts. I said Minato'll teleport it before it gets too big so I don't see the point of using shunshin to escape the attack. I don't get why you are assuming that Minato'll wait until it gets too big. He's not stupid enough to wait for that long and waste his chakra.

 

[Haizaki]

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Fu = Yamanka = Best sensors of konoha :erm:

Didn't get what this was for? Because there wasn't any sensing.

Obito can be sensed. Remember when kcm Naruto closed his eyes to sense Obito who tried to sneak attack him with kamui. Obito can be sensed while intangible (as Naruto does in these scans):

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How can he be sensed while intangible? I'm pretty sure his body is in the other dimension while intangible so how then can then his chakra be sensed while in the other dimension?

Those scans don't really show Naruto sensed him while intangible. It's literally impossible when his chakra is in the other dimension. In the scan, Naruto was most likely trying to sense him but that doesn't show an intangible Obito can be sensed. In the next, Naruto looks at him and then jumps? How does that show Naruto sensed him when he react after he saw him?