Lol,why are people even bringing moves like CT or CST here?
nagatos boss sized ST alone would get rid of minato, when the latter has no way of perceiving the jutsu and when nagato can pinpoint the force of such magnitude to take him out
Minato can use S/T barrier before it gets too big. He teleported something as big as Juubidama which is >>>>>>>>>>CT that Nagato displayed. CT sucks the kunai that were spread all over the battle field that doesn't mean that he'll be left with no kunai's. CT'll lose it's meaning once it gets separated from Nagato. Minato can throw a kunai in same battle field and release it. Noting suggests that Nagato gain control over it after it gets released by Minato.
Are you implying Minato can move while air borne? How do you suggest he will do that? How will it be effective when he cannot teleport to anything, making its entire point moot. And yes, Minato was going to do that as the Kyuubi's Jinchuriki, he cannot do that without being the Jin unless you have some evidence to support your claim. And do note, Nagato's CT against KN Naruto was mountain range sized, TBB that the Juubi used is definitely not even close. How does CT lose it's meaning when it's seperated from Nagato? That makes no sense as doesn't the bolded, either express your counters properly with decent grammar or don't make a reply at all. Replies are irrelevant when they aren't comprehendible. Points you don't realise;
-Minato as a Jin has larger reserves than alive Minato.
-Minato needs Kunai's outside of CT's gravitational range, and the only thing outside of its range is a location that can only be counted as BFR.
-Minato cannot send Kunai's away from CT once the gravitational field has been initiated, it'll just curve back towards the core.
-CT is far larger than Juubi's TBB.
-Minato cannot release Nagato's control over the orb, that makes no sense.
-Minato teleporting the orb is not effective, as it can only be teleported to a kunai within the CT; wasting his chakra for no reason.
Nagato one shots. Minato doesn't push him beyond negg diff. A normal ST breaks his bones, followed by a few rockets kills Minato. CT and CST are not needed.
Lol,why are people even bringing moves like CT or CST here?
nagatos boss sized ST alone would get rid of minato, when the latter has no way of perceiving the jutsu and when nagato can pinpoint the force of such magnitude to take him out
They make it something it is not. When a Sharingan user and Sage user didn't and couldn't react to Something that happens nigh instantly with no surprise, they think Minato can react. lol It severely injured 3 boss bijuu sized summons, and killed Choza (who his durable as fuq, wayyyyyyyyyyy more durable then Minatao). Shinra tensei is more then enough since he will never know when it is coming.
If he summons the 6 paths as well its super rape action 101 while he gets on his bird and help attack from the skies. Gedo Mazo also wrecks shop if he wants to. This is a low-mid diff at most. Nagato is simply too much.
They make it something it is not. When a Sharingan user and Sage user didn't and couldn't react to Something that happens nigh instantly with no surprise, they think Minato can react. lol It severely injured 3 boss bijuu sized summons, and killed Choza (who his durable as fuq, wayyyyyyyyyyy more durable then Minatao). Shinra tensei is more then enough since he will never know when it is coming.
If he summons the 6 paths as well its super rape action 101 while he gets on his bird and help attack from the skies. Gedo Mazo also wrecks shop if he wants to. This is a low-mid diff at most. Nagato is simply too much.
Yep
The ST used against Choza was nowhere near the ST that one shotted the toads, hell it was nowhere near even the casual ST that edo nagato used
And deva (who is a fragment of nagatos power) used the boss sized ST nigh instantly
>Minato attempts to come close.
>Nagato uses his ST, and every bone in minatos body is broken
Are you implying Minato can move while air borne? How do you suggest he will do that? How will it be effective when he cannot teleport to anything, making its entire point moot.
The same way how team Itachi managed to move during their battle against Itachi.
Nagato uses CT > Minato uses s/t barrier before it gets too big > CT'll lose it's meaning once it enters S/T barrier (It'll fall a part like it did during pain arc) > Minato pulls a kunai from his pocket/bag > throws it > releases CT/ a bunch of rocks.
Not that hard to understand for an English professor like yourself.Lol
And yes, Minato was going to do that as the Kyuubi's Jinchuriki, he cannot do that without being the Jin unless you have some evidence to support your claim.
Minato was in base when he teleported it. Naruto's Kyuubi should be able to sense it if Minato utilized kyuubi's chakra to teleport Juubidama but it didn't, Hence, Minato did not use Kyubi's chakra to teleport it. Stop acting as if your argument is better than mine when you didn't provided any evidence to support your claim.:yeah:
And do note, Nagato's CT against KN Naruto was mountain range sized, TBB that the Juubi used is definitely not even close.
I can no longer take you seriously if you actually think Nagato's CT is bigger than Juubidama.Lol
How does CT lose it's meaning when it's seperated from Nagato? That makes no sense as doesn't the bolded, either express your counters properly with decent grammar or don't make a reply at all. Replies are irrelevant when they aren't comprehendible.
CT fall a part when Naruto escaped from it which proves that it'll lose it's meaning if Nagato stops controlling it. If CT enters another dimension then Nagato can't control it. Hence, it'll fall a part.
Points you don't realise;
-Minato as a Jin has larger reserves than alive Minato.
-Minato needs Kunai's outside of CT's gravitational range, and the only thing outside of its range is a location that can only be counted as BFR.
-Minato cannot send Kunai's away from CT once the gravitational field has been initiated, it'll just curve back towards the core.
Once Minato uses S/T barrier on CT then there'll be no gravity. So nothing stops Minato from throwing a kunai and releasing CT.
-CT is far larger than Juubi's TBB.
-Minato cannot release Nagato's control over the orb, that makes no sense.
-Minato teleporting the orb is not effective, as it can only be teleported to a kunai within the CT; wasting his chakra for no reason.
1) Pure BS.
2) Any scan which proves that he can control CT even if it is in another dimension?
3) Already explained how he'll teleport it.
I don't see the point in this argument as I don't think Minato can win this. But CT is not going to put him down. And I don't want to waste my time on someone who thinks that CT is bigger than Juubidama. Lol
The same way how team Itachi managed to move during their battle against Itachi.
Nagato uses CT > Minato uses s/t barrier before it gets too big > CT'll lose it's meaning once it enters S/T barrier (It'll fall a part like it did during pain arc) > Minato pulls a kunai from his pocket/bag > throws it > releases CT/ a bunch of rocks.
Not that hard to understand for an English professor like yourself.Lol
Minato was in base when he teleported it. Naruto's Kyuubi should be able to sense it if Minato utilized kyuubi's chakra to teleport Juubidama but it didn't, Hence, Minato did not use Kyubi's chakra to teleport it. Stop acting as if your argument is better than mine when you didn't provided any evidence to support your claim.:yeah:
Lmao, Something as big as
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I can no longer take you seriously if you actually think Nagato's CT is bigger than Juubidama.Lol
CT fall a part when Naruto escaped from it which proves that it'll lose it's meaning if Nagato stops controlling it. If CT enters another dimension then Nagato can't control it. Hence, it'll fall a part.
Never said that he doesn't.
Once Minato uses S/T barrier on CT then there'll be no gravity. So nothing stops Minato from throwing a kunai and releasing CT.
1) Pure BS.
2) Any scan which proves that he can control CT even if it is in another dimension?
3) Already explained how he'll teleport it.
I don't see the point in this argument as I don't think Minato can win this. But CT is not going to put him down. And I don't want to waste my time on someone who thinks that CT is bigger than Juubidama. Lol
- Banshou tenin- won't work either since even if Nagato manages to control his center of gravity in order to attract him, Minato can disappear in an instant and appear in another position thanks to FTG
- Shinra tensei- could push his kunais, but don't forget the 5seconds interval and if he pushes his kunais with shinra tensei, what about Minato then?:shrug: The time he pushes his kunais with Shinra tensei, Minato take advantage of the 5seconds to instanly appear on one of them and blitz him from this position. Look at these pics:
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You can notice that after Naruto endured the shinra tensei, Naruto(who was far from Deva) was able to throw himself and land a crucial hit. Minato in the contrary won't need to endure the Shinra tensei, since his kunais would do the job for him(Shinra tensei used on kunais instead of him), and with the instant teleportation on where one of his kunai are, he(who is even faster than Naruto) can manage to proceed from there and blitz Nagato
Another possibility is that he can simply throw another kunai during the 5seconds interval(which is faster) and it would most likely be over at that time. This is what i'm talking about:
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Look carefully at the pic. You would notice that directly after Devas shinra tensei, Choji managed to throw 3kunais and Deva was forced to avoid it. Look how near the kunais are from Deva, and imagine if it was Minato. He would have been able to instant teleport himself there and finish him
- Chibaku tensei- Minato can either warp it away with
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, or simply teleport himself away with FTG
- Asura Path- It offers a defense to Nagato in close combat in order to immobilise his ennemies and after that either kill them with a missile or by taking their soul like you can see here:
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Problem is that it's nearly impossible to capture Minato who can teleport himself in every positions like here:
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(Tobi catch his arm and begin to warp him, but Minato already disappeared)
Or here:
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(Tobi almost managed to capture him with his chain, but he already disappeared)
So it's not with Asura Path that he will manage to capture him also. And if he can't capture him, Human Path would be useless also
- Gakidou- It's normally usefull to absorb every ninjutsu. Problem is that Minato rarely even uses ninjutsu in his fights besides from rasengan or some other jutsus. Most of the time, he uses his kunais to give a fatal blow like you can see here:
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So for these reasons also, Gakidou won't be that usefull
- Animal Path- Minato can summon himself giant toads like Gamabunta. So they could neutralise each other i think
Nagatos weakness:
His lackluster mobility would also be a problem against the fastest shinobi. Chibaku tensei is also a last ressort card that takes a lot of energy out of him(affecting his physical state). So using it useless will put him in a more difficult position
How does Minato use STB on CT? It'll be nearly impossible to perform this. The kunia in the secondary location would have to be placed before the fight began, or else anything nearby would be destroyed.
It's already been proven that Nagato's summonings>=toads.
How does Minato use STB on CT? It'll be nearly impossible to perform this. The kunia in the secondary location wouldvt have to be placed before the fight began, or else anything nearby would be destroyed.
Not necessarly. Minato can perform the STB and throw the kunai he redirect the attack to in another location afterwards(he had time to do so when he teleported Jubi's blast)
It's already been proven that Nagato's summonings>=toads.
So the TBB which is barely larger than the Juubi himself is now the size of mountain ranges? please, if you look at the
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you'd realise the TBB's size was nowhere near mountain range size..
But I definitely agree on the Minato part, being a Jinchuriki in itself makes your chakra reserves far larger. And even then, what's there to say the amount of chakra he used wasn't his maximum capacity; proving imminent death.
So the TBB which is barely larger than the Juubi himself is now the size of mountain ranges? please, if you look at the
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you'd realise the TBB's size was nowhere near mountain range size..
But I definitely agree on the Minato part, being a Jinchuriki in itself makes your chakra reserves far larger. And even then, what's there to say the amount of chakra he used wasn't his maximum capacity; proving imminent death.
Are you going to make a thread everytime somebody disagrees with you?.
Its his opinion.
OT. 6 Paths defeats Minato mid to high diff
Fanfic mobile nagato defeats him med diff
Living Minato from what he has shown isn't good enough to defeat the paths or nagato himself.
As for the argument of CT and whether Minato can teleport outside of battle situations.
GL made a good point, about obito's kamui, but like somebody said obito teleports part of his body so he still has parts still in the location. However the main point is that, for example techniques such as Chou/Shinra tensei, Minato would have to take himself completely out of the location because as long as his kunai's are at the location no matter where he teleports within the battlefield he is still going to get hit, so he would have to teleport back to konoha or wherever else he has tags on. But the problem is while ms obito can do the same, he can get back to the location as he doesn't need tags, Minato cannot as his tags would have been blown far away.
CT. Appears people believe the barrier is a counter for techniques such as CT and other techniques where it makes no sense for the barrier to be erected. For a start, the barrier is set up by minato and it teleports anything that comes in contact with it, these techniques will usually be techniques that are fired/projectiles. CT is the exact opposite, it is going away from the opponent as it is ascending, for the barrier to come in contact with ct, it will mean minato will have to come in direct contact with ct and isn't possible as he is going to get crushed. The surrounding areas as well as Minato and his tags will also be ascending and forming CT, he loses any form of balance or stability in the process. I can just imagine minato trying to use the barrier technique and that image in my head is rather funny. It is an impractical jutsu for minato to try and use and if he was to fight nagato/paths he would most likely teleport back to konoha than try a move that will ultimately fail and result in his death.
Not necessarly. Minato can perform the STB and throw the kunai he redirect the attack to in another location afterwards(he had time to do so when he teleported Jubi's blast)
Actually no, Bunta and co were demolishing them. The only troublesome one was Cerberus because he split in contact
That example involving Jubi's TBB doesn't work here. The kunia placed near the ocean (point B)was placed before he appeared in the fight. Even is he performed this as TBB was being fired, he wasn't in the vicinity of the blast and TBB speed have been candidly countered multiple times in the series. In order for it to work, Minato needs to have a point B kunia placed, far enough to completely eliminate the threat. Minato simply tossing the point B kunia, in hopes the it'll be far enough to remove CT is unlikely. Also, I have yet to see STB work on a stationary target.
Cerberus alone takes on 2-3 toads. Assuming Minato can summon all those at once as Ma had, without it taking a toll of his chakra.
That example involving Jubi's TBB doesn't work here. The kunia placed near the ocean (point B)was placed before he appeared in the fight. Even is he performed this as TBB was being fired, he wasn't in the vicinity of the blast and TBB speed have been candidly countered multiple times in the series. In order for it to work, Minato needs to have a point B kunia placed, far enough to completely eliminate the threat. Minato simply tossing the point B kunia, in hopes the it'll be far enough to remove CT is unlikely.
Cerberus alone takes on 2-3 toads. Assuming Minato can summon all those at once as Ma had, without it taking a toll of his chakra.
CT. Appears people believe the barrier is a counter for techniques such as CT and other techniques where it makes no sense for the barrier to be erected. For a start, the barrier is set up by minato and it teleports anything that comes in contact with it, these techniques will usually be techniques that are fired/projectiles. CT is the exact opposite, it is going away from the opponent as it is ascending, for the barrier to come in contact with ct, it will mean minato will have to come in direct contact with ct and isn't possible as he is going to get crushed. The surrounding areas as well as Minato and his tags will also be ascending and forming CT, he loses any form of balance or stability in the process. I can just imagine minato trying to use the barrier technique and that image in my head is rather funny. It is an impractical jutsu for minato to try and use and if he was to fight nagato/paths he would most likely teleport back to konoha than try a move that will ultimately fail and result in his death.
I think you missed something here. The range of the STB. It dwarfed even boss summons. And when he used it to save SA, he was far away as well, at a location larger than Jubi's blast(something particularly big in size), so it's not like Minato needs contact to erect it. I think the range showed is already big enough to not require close range approach. He just needs to be at a certain distance(assuming he can't extend the range even further at will) and erect the barrier at that location, absorbing the core without close contact
That example involving Jubi's TBB doesn't work here. The kunia placed near the ocean (point B)was placed before he appeared in the fight. Even is he performed this as TBB was being fired, he wasn't in the vicinity of the blast and TBB speed have been candidly countered multiple times in the series. In order for it to work, Minato needs to have a point B kunia placed, far enough to completely eliminate the threat. Minato simply tossing the point B kunia, in hopes the it'll be far enough to remove CT is unlikely. Also, I have yet to see STB work on a stationary target.
No you missed the point. I was saying that during the moment he was redirecting with the STB, he had time to throw a kunai around Naruto and Sakura's location, start a conversion, all that before it actually started to reappear on the kunai he left(for the blast-redirection) middle ocean. That suggest he can use the STB before actually throwing kunais he redirect attacks to and he already showed his kunai range. He can throw kunai in location dwarfing Jubi, so i don't think it would be a problem
Also, the STB barrier works by redirecting attacks that come in contact. Considering that he will be attracted by the core, automatically, the core will come in contact with the barrier
Cerberus alone takes on 2-3 toads. Assuming Minato can summon all those at once as Ma had, without it taking a toll of his chakra.
We're already seen that Gamaken was enough to at least occupy Cerberus during the Jiraya fight, so why will the other waste their time? Also Minato doesn't need to do the summoning. It's not like Bunta can't use summoning jutsu. Who said Minato has to waste his chakra for that? One summon/even a small one considering small Gamakichi could summon Bunta) will be enough
The same way how team Itachi managed to move during their battle against Itachi.
Nagato uses CT > Minato uses s/t barrier before it gets too big > CT'll lose it's meaning once it enters S/T barrier (It'll fall a part like it did during pain arc) > Minato pulls a kunai from his pocket/bag > throws it > releases CT/ a bunch of rocks.
Not that hard to understand for an English professor like yourself.Lol
Minato was in base when he teleported it. Naruto's Kyuubi should be able to sense it if Minato utilized kyuubi's chakra to teleport Juubidama but it didn't, Hence, Minato did not use Kyubi's chakra to teleport it. Stop acting as if your argument is better than mine when you didn't provided any evidence to support your claim.:yeah:
Lmao, Something as big as
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is smaller than this
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I can no longer take you seriously if you actually think Nagato's CT is bigger than Juubidama.Lol
CT fall a part when Naruto escaped from it which proves that it'll lose it's meaning if Nagato stops controlling it. If CT enters another dimension then Nagato can't control it. Hence, it'll fall a part.
Never said that he doesn't.
Once Minato uses S/T barrier on CT then there'll be no gravity. So nothing stops Minato from throwing a kunai and releasing CT.
1) Pure BS.
2) Any scan which proves that he can control CT even if it is in another dimension?
3) Already explained how he'll teleport it.
I don't see the point in this argument as I don't think Minato can win this. But CT is not going to put him down. And I don't want to waste my time on someone who thinks that CT is bigger than Juubidama. Lol
I'm not even going to take you seriously anymore, lmao.
How does Minato close the distance before it's too big? Can he fly? No? That's what I thought. If he throws a Kunai and teleports to it chances are he's too close to the core at that point and weaving signs is no option. Second of all, you'll have to prove S/T Barrier can move; I'll be waiting. Third of all, you still are retarded. Why? Because even if I where to hypothetically say he could put the whole CT in S/T Barrier, it would go nowhere at all. Why? Because you need to teleport the CT orb, but where can he possibly teleport it since all Kunai's are inside the CT? My god. Why would CT fall apart when Nagato is maintaining control over it? It won't, unless you can provide evidence as to why it would. And it's not hard to understand at this point from a grammatical perspective, but it's extremely hard to understand from a logical and reasonable perspective (since it makes 0 sense).
What? Becoming a Jinchuriki automatically makes your chakra reserves larger as shown and implied with Naruto 1000 times over. I don't need to provide proof that Alive Minato can do what Edo Minato can. The burden of proof is on you, as Minato needed a decent amount of time to teleport something far smaller.
I'm gonna ignore that you think the Juubi is larger than a mountain range..
S/T barrier has been addressed.
The fact that CT stays in tact even though Rikudo is dead is all the proof I need. Same with Naruto and Sasuke, they need naught continuously upkeep the Susano, the gravitational field is present in the core and it will be present in every dimension it goes to (till you can prove that the dimension has no gravity despite Kamuiland having gravity). Nagato simply made a mistake while actually maintaining the CT in his deathbed, he could've simply kept it the way it is by stopping the Deva power, but that possibly would also stop Deva Paths from functioning properly (since Deva would be halted after all).
I think you missed something here. The range of the STB. It dwarfed even boss summons. And when he used it to save SA, he was far away as well, at a location larger than Jubi's blast(something particularly big in size), so it's not like Minato needs contact to erect it. I think the range showed is already big enough to not require close range approach. He just needs to be at a certain distance(assuming he can't extend the range even further at will) and erect the barrier at that location, absorbing the core without close contact
Yes that was a big range, however my points still stand, it is a jutsu that ascends therefore how it is going to go throw the barrier is what i don't understand and its not like the barrier has any suction capability. Then there is the trouble of the whole area along with minato ascending and joining CT. Just cannot see how the barrier is going to work agains't this jutsu but also the scenario Minato would be in, maybe its just me. Anyway i have given my 2 cents
I think you missed something here. The range of the STB. It dwarfed even boss summons. And when he used it to save SA, he was far away as well, at a location larger than Jubi's blast(something particularly big in size), so it's not like Minato needs contact to erect it. I think the range showed is already big enough to not require close range approach. He just needs to be at a certain distance(assuming he can't extend the range even further at will) and erect the barrier at that location, absorbing the core without close contact
No you missed the point. I was saying that during the moment he was redirecting with the STB, he had time to throw a kunai around Naruto and Sakura's location, start a conversion, all that before it actually started to reappear on the kunai he left(for the blast-redirection) middle ocean. That suggest he can use the STB before actually throwing kunais he redirect attacks to and he already showed his kunai range. He can throw kunai in location dwarfing Jubi, so i don't think it would be a problem
Also, the STB barrier works by redirecting attacks that come in contact. Considering that he will be attracted by the core, automatically, the core will come in contact with the barrier
We're already seen that Gamaken was enough to at least occupy Cerberus during the Jiraya fight, so why will the other waste their time? Also Minato doesn't need to do the summoning. It's not like Bunta can't use summoning jutsu. Who said Minato has to waste his chakra for that? One summon/even a small one considering small Gamakichi could summon Bunta) will be enough
Bogard you do know this wasn't an incredibly fast feat right? "He had time?" I think you're overestimating what occurred.
As you said, it redirects what it comes in contact with. So, as point A kunia came in contact with the TBB, it was wrapped and relocated to point B. There was no redirecting before throwing the kunia nearby Naruto and Sakura. Also, let's not forget the entire alliance had hand in slowing the TBB travel. Minato just so happen to teleport it as it was exploiting. This was similar to when Ino intercepted Jubi/Obito, allowing her to use her Jutsu and redirect the TBB seconds before reaching Naruto/Kakashi/Gai.
Gamaken wasn't doing much except buying Ajman time. True, that's possible
