[VS] Kakuzu vs Sasuke

[King Of Pop]

not sure if to take this shit seriously.

 

[Conspirator.]

Sasuke shits on Kakuzu.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Sasuke shits... Chidori spear ends this actually... Kakashi alone was besting Kakuzu... All his techs are tanked by the punching Skeleton Susanoo...

 

[Lariatoo]

Kakuzu beats up to Hebi Sasuke.
MS Sasuke wins tho.

 

[Kamui Sama]

Bogard's threads are interesting reads. NB has been boring U_U

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Still workin' ol' Kakuzu's balls, Adam? Don't forget to work on the shaft when you get a chance.

that exact what u mom did last nite

 

[Apêx1]

What a retarded argument.. My god.

1- Susanoo's punch could barely crack a layer from the bridge where Sasuke and Danzo were fighting [

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] Beginning of part2 Sakura could do more damage on the ground [

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] Minato's rasengan on Obito did even more visisble damage [

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v2 Susano was never implied to have immense punching power. And do note, if a sword is pulled out Kakuzu will go down as fast as the pillars did in the Kage summit. And Lol, how exactly could you decipher that Minato did more damage with his rasengan? Because he clearly didn't, though if love blinds, your wank for Minato stupefies. And Susano clones are not as strong as the original, so that's another moot point.

2- Susanoo's arrow could not go through the bridge's layer [

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Whomever said Susano arrow needs power to go right through the masks Kakuzu uses? That's their only effective usage here, and they will do just fine with Yasaka Magatama's in doing so. So once again, emphasised point in order to downplay Sasuke fails due to irrelevance.

3- Susanoo's magatamas have been compared to explosive tags [

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False analogy is a false analogy. They were recalling memories from their childhood. Yasaka Magtama's pierced Gaara's sand, and they work purely on penetrative power; they do not explode. Explosive Kunai's only effective usage is its explosion, so how you claim that there is anything comparable at all is beyond me. It was Itachi's strongest offensive jutsu, that's enough to say it's stronger than every explosive clone and kunai he possessed. So if you throw 6 needles at different places of a door and each of them pierces separately, that means if you threw only one it wouldn't pierce? More fail logic Bogard, please..

For these reasons, i think the offensive power of Susanoo isn't that great and that with the actual feats it displayed, it can't go through Kakuzu's doton domu technique(that he can activate instantly) who could tank explosive tags [

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For these fail reasons you deemed Susano's offensive power bad? The same offensive power which crushed Danzo's entire body by purely squeezing its hand? The same Susano whose arrow is so fast a Sharingan user cannot dodge it from a far distance? The same Susano whose sword cuts through nearly everything due to its massive energy per area? Tell me more. Tanking explosive kunai's and Choji's attacks is not stopping a v3 Susano swipe; end of story.

Susanoo Defensive power

1- Kabuto's suiton could go through Ribcage Susanoo [

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That's because Ribcage Susano is permeable. The 'ribs' on the Susano are the only thing protecting its user, hence when Mei used Lava, Madara had to

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those ribs and the bottom of his Susano so that the lava doesn't easily bypass the Susano 'aura' behind the 'ribs'. Danzo's Futon is the strongest in the manga bar COFRS. At least now we know you don't understand how jutsu work. Hell Sstab is proven to be>FRS yet FRS is bigger? Why? Because Hell stab's energy per area is far larger despite being smaller; its energy is focused in one small area. Same goes with Danzo's Futon, he increased the suction so that his previously powerful penetrative jutsu could generate enough energy per area to cut Susano. You have 0 ways of proving Kakuzu's Futon is even close to Danzo's energy per area. Can't see you will do that with its innate weak outlook. Combine it and it makes no difference, as it fails either way.

Kakashi is also incredibly fast [

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] a better taijutsu user than Sasuke [

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], yet he couldn't best Kakuzu in taijutsu. Granted, they didn't face much and he had Choji and Ino to worry about, but i don't think Sasuke would fare any better in close range combat

What fail you bring once again. Sasuke had fought the entire Kage summit, used shit loads of MS and then fought Danzo until his Izanagi ran out, one the fight, was half blind, went and fought Kakashi and was still keeping up. Kakashi's strength is nothing of the sort of impressive, let alone on the level of Sasuke's CQC and speed. Sasuke arsenal is far better against Kakuzu as well, given most of his jutsu incorporate Raiton, whether its Chidori spear, Chidori Nagashi or Chidori Senbons. Kakuzu cannot win this fight with Domu alone, and that's all he will have by the time Sasuke has rid of the masks with arrow, senbons and magatamas.

With the 4 masks and affinities working in the area as satellites, he also gets the range and superiority in number advantage

I really think Kakuzu has a shot at winning this U_U

Good thing he doesn't.

 

[Airbear]

Bogard is so sly. Takes every opportunity to downplay Uchiha, itachi mostly, with his clouded hatred for them.(itachi mostly)

 

[Bogard]

No, Naruto's Sage Mode is still vastly superior to Minato's. He can gather nature chakra quicker, even then, and can last longer in it.

Hence it was hyped superior to Minato's and Jiraya's. It's superior to Jiraya's because he can enter it on his own and is a perfect Sage. It's superior to Minato's because he can gather large amount of natural energy. The comparison was about that. It's what i was saying

Kakuzu was an Edo Tensei without any hearts. Unless you're assuming it'll have the same effect, with his threads somehow protecting Kakuzu's hearts from a yasaka Manta or Susano'o arrow. Which've been destroyed by far less, such as Asuma's own fuuton (Katon?).

I know he was an edo tensei, but it wasn't the point. The point was around the tendrils his body is made of. Isumo and kitetsu's cutting blade didn't affect it and they are capable to reattach themselves from each other. That comparison was in relationship with my counter-argument with the masks, not Kakuzu himself. The arrows or other Susanoo moves will not affect the masks' bodies unless maybe he hits the masks directly(where seems to be located the hearts)

You're also assuming that the process of reconstructing Kakuzu's center mass, where a heart still lies, will be effortless. He takes out at the minimal of one heart with that attack, unless it's Domu. Then Sasuke just runs up inside Susano'o and uses a chidori spear on him. Not as easy as it sounds, but yeah. Something along those lines.

No you didn't get it. My tendril argument was concerning the masks, not Kakuzu. Kakuzu doesn't need that with the domu domu technique. Like i've showed the offensive power of Susanoo can't go through it and it's not like Kakuzu is stupid. If he sees Sasuke's raiton, he will either avoid it or counter with the fuuton mask

Right, I am not playing this game with you. The manga was showing the transition between their childhoods together and the present; How everything is as it was back then. It was not showing that Susano'o's projetciles are in the same radius of DC as Explosion tags.

But when you see the picture, they do have same radius of DC with the explosive tags, so what does it imply? And like i've said the fact other Susanoo projectile powers aren't that great as well tend to go along those lines

Your favorite deems them plenty powerful, unable to evade with foot speed and needs to use Kamui. Why? Because he dies otherwise. Clear as that. The difference between explosive tags and Yasaka Mana beads is that one explodes, and canonically only has done severe damage in large numbers. Yasaka Mana qill tear through an enemy after making first contact. It's job isn't to explode or cause damage to the entire area, it's damage is done to a target or group.

Point? Kakashi could turn his Sharingan to MS and activate Kamui in time to defend himself. Danzo could grow root from his arm to defend himself. Why couldn't Kakuzu solidify his body when it requires no foot speed?

Fair enough concerning the magatama explanation but the fact still remain that the damage output itself shouldn't be great enough to go through Domu especially since i think Arrows should have better piercing powers and it could barely go through a bridge's layer like i pointed out

Assuming Sasuke doesn't hit the masks themselves? We've seen his precision with the arrows in the past, being able to hit Naruto's own truth seeking balls. You might claim that it's a feat that only end of series Sasuke has, but senjutsu shouldn't have any increase in his skills with a bow or the weapons like that. You could argue that he only managed to see them and react to something as fast because of his power ups.

Hey are you trying to compare projectiles to actual living and moving targets? It's not like the truth seeking balls could change their trajectory after being launched. The masks on the other side can move at will to respond from opponent's attacks. And if Danzo could grow a mokuton attack before getting pierced by arrows, why couldn't the mask just shift the mask's head(all what is needed) to dodge the assault? They don't need to physically move out of the way.

But, Kakuzu's masks aren't fast. They got killed by a misstep and running into their own allies (Asuma's) fuuton. Tell me, please, that they're going to be avoiding an arrow.

No, you misread that part. It's Tenten who destroyed the masks with a legendary Rikudo weapon, not Asuma, so i think you underestimate not only their speed but their flexibility. Choji's palm thrust technique could do nothing on them [

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Please give me anything that suggests Kakuzu has a great enough reaction time to avoid an arrow? Even if he can use Domu as a shield, Sasuke is top three most skilled raiton users. It literally means nothing before him. Close combat with Kakuzu ends Domu solidly.

Doesn't need to physically move asde like i've said. He can instantly solidify his body. If Danzo could grow a root before impact, i don't see why Kakuzu couldn't solidify part of his body fast enough to protect himself from the arrows

Sasuke's raiton can be dodged or countered by Kakuzu's fuuton. It's not like he would let Sasuke tag him. He isn't an idiot

Stop twisting manga scans. Ino said they're using his immortality to their advantage. Meaning, damage doesn't really matter to him unless it can separate a limb or is something on the scales of a bijuu dama or amaterasu. It should be obvious that Danzo's own fuuton and Kakuzus work differently, and which one is more lethal, more applicable and thus greater. Danzo's. Hidan had no real damage done to him, Kakuzu would not have used the fuuton on Hidan if it endagered the man from cutting him apart.

Well Ino said he used the immortality to his advantage like you said, so eventhough she didn't explicitely say he would have died. It does imply something, that the attack is deadly whether internally or externally in the end matters less

Meaning? Susano'o V2 tanks. Unless some dead trees rooted into the ground are on the same level as a V2 or above Susano'o. And, it doesn't really matter when the fight ends in two minutes, and Amaterasu is restricted. Meaning his entire arsenal opens up for more room when one of his most exhausting abilities is taken from him.

No i was comparing his fuuton to Danzo's. If Danzo's fuuton could blow away the defense, i definitely see Kakuzu's fuuton(that i considering much stronger judging by the difference in effects) doing a much better job than just blowing Sasuke's Susanoo away and like i've also added, Kabuto's suiton could also go through Sasuke's ribcage. Now imagine Kakuzu's 5 elementary combination(with 5 powerful attacks), and it's not difficult to understand why i think Kakuzu can not only break through it but blast Sasuke away from this part of the planet Lol

And of course Amaterasu will give Sasuke the win, hence i restricted it to make it more balance and a fight i think Kakuzu can win

Except the fact that a shinobi of a worn out Kakashi speeded away without any real damage, Hidan tanked it without any damage to his body. Maybe there was some internal harm? Maybe. But,when there are easy ways to avoid it, and the general rate of death is low. It's not impressive. Especially when a fuuton enhanced jutsu from Danzo broke up a V3. Like, there's a vast different.

Like i've said, Sasuke would have to choose. Defend with Susanoo or dodge. It he decides to defend with Susanoo, he would definitely not be able to get out of the way because of the pain inflected by just maintaining it and the reduced mobility when inside it. Concerning the difference in power between the fuuton, you have to take into consideration the fact that Danzo's fuuton blew Susanoo aside, it didn't destroy it, so how can you be sure it's better than Kakuzu's. The damage inflected on the forest and the sight of the AOE definitely impressed me more though but i guess it depends on each person's view

I consider Kakashi faster than Sasuke by the way

Get the Kisame thread up. I'm capable of defending him just as well.

Would probably make that later. Sorry for the wrap up. It's because i'm in a hurry now but i needed to do it

 

[Haizaki]

Even Zexion said MS Sasuke wins..

Plus I do like this point especially the Sharp Spear point.

This won't prove much since you brought little to nothing from Sasuke. Like...he has his own elemental jutsu?

Kakuzu's fuuton is not stronger than Baku/Danzo's...He could not even hurt Hidan who takes injuries like regular ninjas since he could get hurt by basic ninja tools like shrukens and knifes.

Kakuzu and Kakashi never had actual taijutsu confrontation. Kakashi, being the smart guy he is probably knew basic tai can not hurt Kakuzu. While Sasuke uses kenjutsu amplified with lightning, he has more than what it takes for dominating close quarters. Shikamaru could evade -surprise, mind you- attack of Kakuzu. This guy has little reaction/speed orientation.

And chidori sharp spear can one shot multiple hearts at once like this:

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Chidori nagashi eradicates the tendrils if Kakuzu tries to strangle him with them.

 

[Bogard]

Even Zexion said MS Sasuke wins..

Plus I do like this point especially the Sharp Spear point.

Well it's him then Lol

Just to counter Caterpie's points though

This won't prove much since you brought little to nothing from Sasuke. Like...he has his own elemental jutsu?

Kakuzu's fuuton is not stronger than Baku/Danzo's...He could not even hurt Hidan who takes injuries like regular ninjas since he could get hurt by basic ninja tools like shrukens and knifes.

Kakuzu and Kakashi never had actual taijutsu confrontation. Kakashi, being the smart guy he is probably knew basic tai can not hurt Kakuzu. While Sasuke uses kenjutsu amplified with lightning, he has more than what it takes for dominating close quarters. Shikamaru could evade -surprise, mind you- attack of Kakuzu. This guy has little reaction/speed orientation.

And chidori sharp spear can one shot multiple hearts at once like this:

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Chidori nagashi eradicates the tendrils if Kakuzu tries to strangle him with them.

1- Don't compare cutting attacks to blunt attacks. Kakuzu's fuuton has blunt impact. It's purpose is to eradict via blunt impact, not to cut like Shurikens or Kunais do. Isumo and Kotetsu could cut Kakuzu's body with relative ease for example, yet Naruto's Fuuton Rasen Shuriken did no damage on his body(only internally). Swords > Fuuton Rasen shuriken now? Or how Sasuke's chidori could cut Jinchuriki madara when Naruto's Rasen shuriken could not. So you shouldn't mistake the type of attacks here. Danzo's fuuton didn't destroy Susanoo either. It blew it away. At least Kakuzu's fuuton destroyed a forest and i suspect Hidan survived due to his immortality

2- Yes i know they had no confrontation(except in the anime). My point was to say that Kakashi didn't even try despite being better than Sasuke, so i don't see him managing

3- Why can't Kakuzu dodge Sharp Spear again? It's not like he is an immobile target. Also, he has fuuton that could nullify raiton and with the other masks, he can attack from different angles

 

[Zealotic]

Chidori Eisou solos all hearts

 

[JStar King]

Are you talking about Current Sasuke? If you are, you need your head examined if you think Kakazu has the slightest chance at beating him. Sasuke negs with PS, Ame, Ama, and all Six Paths.

 

[wael reda]

Sasuke doesn't need ms abilities to beat kakazu ,he can beat him with just 3 tome
Hebi sasuke can also beat him mid diff
Hebi sasuke is clearly stronger than 3 tome kakashi ,and this kakashi was handling kakazu

 

[Bogard]

Are you talking about Current Sasuke? If you are, you need your head examined if you think Kakazu has the slightest chance at beating him. Sasuke negs with PS, Ame, Ama, and all Six Paths.

Lol i explained everything on the OP. Not my fault if you can't read

Sasuke doesn't need ms abilities to beat kakazu ,he can beat him with just 3 tome
Hebi sasuke can also beat him mid diff
Hebi sasuke is clearly stronger than 3 tome kakashi ,and this kakashi was handling kakazu

Care to explain why you think this?

 

[KCN]

It seems Kirin has been buried under piles of crap; it's essentially a forgoton jutsu.

One Amaterasu to the sky, Sasuke jumps on his hawk for defensive and prep measures, and Kirin one shots.

 

[Bogard]

It seems Kirin has been buried under piles of crap; it's essentially a forgoton jutsu.

One Amaterasu to the sky, Sasuke jumps on his hawk for defensive and prep measures, and Kirin one shots.

Amaterasu is restricted though but you have a nice point

 

[TRE MERCER]

We get threads like this but people get mad when i say grown Obito>Alive Minato...

 

[Unorthodox]

Manda solos?

Sasuke stomps

 

[HiddenSound]

Sasuke for reasons silly Willy said

Hebi Sasuke is a more interesting fight.