[VS] Kakuzu vs Sasuke

[Bogard]

This is Danzo-fight MS Sasuke

Location: Konoha
Restriction: Black Flames
Distance: 50M

I know everyone would say Sasuke wins, but i actually think Kakuzu can win this. Reasoning in the spoiler

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Susanoo offensive power

1- Susanoo's punch could barely crack a layer from the bridge where Sasuke and Danzo were fighting [

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] Beginning of part2 Sakura could do more damage on the ground [

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] Minato's rasengan on Obito did even more visisble damage [

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]. Could be tanked by Mei [

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2- Susanoo's arrow could not go through the bridge's layer [

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3- Susanoo's magatamas have been compared to explosive tags [

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For these reasons, i think the offensive power of Susanoo isn't that great and that with the actual feats it displayed, it can't go through Kakuzu's doton domu technique(that he can activate instantly) who could tank explosive tags [

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] or this [

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Susanoo Defensive power

1- Kabuto's suiton could go through Ribcage Susanoo [

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]. Danzo's fuuton(increased by the Baku's suction) could go through it [

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]. Well that fuuton(even powered-up) was nothing compared to Kakuzu's [

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]. A fuuton of this caliber and good bye Sasuke Lol What's worse is that Kakuzu can even combine it with his other powerful elemental jutsus

Kakashi is also incredibly fast [

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] a better taijutsu user than Sasuke [

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], yet he couldn't best Kakuzu in taijutsu. Granted, they didn't face much and he had Choji and Ino to worry about, but i don't think Sasuke would fare any better in close range combat

With the 4 masks and affinities working in the area as satellites, he also gets the range and superiority in number advantage

I really think Kakuzu has a shot at winning this U_U

 

[Haizaki]

Hahaha Zexion coming here soon.

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

Sasuke mid diff...

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Bogard, reread some of the rubbish you wrote. Paper tags=Susano'os projectiles?

Hebi Sasuke is capable of winning this at high difficulties. Barring slightly enhanced jutsu, MS Sasuke has everything and more.

Just read through some more of it. What? Kakuzu's fuuton is greater than Danzo's enhanced fuuton? What?

 

[Bogard]

Bogard, reread some of the rubbish you wrote. Paper tags=Susano'os projectiles?

Hebi Sasuke is capable of winning this at high difficulties. Barring slightly enhanced jutsu, MS Sasuke has everything and more.

Lmao i'm just presenting what was described on the mangapage and yes it was compared to explosive tags U_U

So in the end, Will just stfu. U_U Pretty sure if it was Kisame, you'd say nothing Lol

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Lmao i'm just presenting what was described on the mangapage and yes it was compared to explosive tags U_U

So in the end, Will just stfu. U_U Pretty sure if it was Kisame, you'd say nothing Lol

The strategy was reused. I suppose that comparing Sage Mode Naruto to Minato makes them equals also? The power of Susano'os Projetciles are more then enough to destroy any of the masks and deal devastating power to Kakuzu without domu. Hell, Itachi even deemed it as his most powerful ranged attack in terms of DC capability.

But, doesn't matter. Susano'o Arrows coupled with the precognative abilities that Sasuke has allows him to quite easily destroy any mask that comes into range. I am pretty sure if Kakashi and Danzo can't react, Kakuzu is severely fucked unless at a greater range.

His fuuton did superficial damage to Hidan and Kakashi, who were right in its path. Both of which weren't hurt, even if they were able to perfectly evade it. We have two options here now, Stephane. It either is slow enough that Hidan can dodge, yes Hidan. Or, the offensive power is so little that only minimal damage can be done. Because Hidan's durability is not on the level of a ribcage Susano'o. So, how can he withstand it without damage yet Danzo's fuuton be ripped apart Susano'o when enhanced by Baku?

Even with the supposed latent recovery ability Hidan has, there is no way for him to be able to be in one piece if it were stronger then Danzo's. We'd seee stiches if he were put back together, but Kakuzu also didn't have all the time in the world to do that unless he is the worlds fastest surgeon. Like, mind blowing priorities there.

And, of course not. Kisame is able to beat MS Sasuke (Inb4 Rage). But he's also been paired against stronger opponents and has a move set unique enough to cause Sasuke and his jutsu ineffective. And, with experienced with a superior genjutsu user, Kisame is able to tell the tricks of the sharingan and counter it. Like, he can lose. It's a close fight, but Kisame's gotten so many edges over Kakuzu it isn't funny,.

 

[Bronze]

Kakuzu would win if he has Intel on Amatersu.

 

[super yang]

this is a 50/50 match up, yes.

 

[Bogard]

The strategy was reused. I suppose that comparing Sage Mode Naruto to Minato makes them equals also?

Well i think it's obvious by now that he was comparing their sage mode at the time, so it's not really a good example

The power of Susano'os Projetciles are more then enough to destroy any of the masks and deal devastating power to Kakuzu without domu.

How would he destroy the masks? They are made of tendrills and we've seen when Kakuzu got cut by Isumo and Kotetsu that it does no damage whatsover, unless you think he would easily hit the mask directly and eventhen i'm not certain it would actually work.

Hell, Itachi even deemed it as his most powerful ranged attack in terms of DC capability.

Then it simply means his strongest attack is comparable to explosive tags :| We clearly see the difference in damage between the explosive tags and Itachi's magatamas(in parallel) on the ground and the damage is similar. And even if we ignore this argument, i gave plenty of other examples proving that the Susanoo offensive power in general isn't that great(Mei tanking it, arrows failing to go through a layer, beginning of Sakura doing more damage to the ground), making it actually understandable if even the magatamas don't do that much damage as we hyped it to. It simply means that we overrated the technique

But, doesn't matter. Susano'o Arrows coupled with the precognative abilities that Sasuke has allows him to quite easily destroy any mask that comes into range. I am pretty sure if Kakashi and Danzo can't react, Kakuzu is severely fucked unless at a greater range.

And like i've said above, the arrows won't do damage to the mask due to the constitution of their bodies. And Kakuzu isn't forced to bodily react. He just has to solidify his body, something that requires no movements and arrows that can't go through a small bridge layer won't do shit to his defense

His fuuton did superficial damage to Hidan and Kakashi, who were right in its path. Both of which weren't hurt, even if they were able to perfectly evade it. We have two options here now, Stephane. It either is slow enough that Hidan can dodge, yes Hidan. Or, the offensive power is so little that only minimal damage can be done. Because Hidan's durability is not on the level of a ribcage Susano'o. So, how can he withstand it without damage yet Danzo's fuuton be ripped apart Susano'o when enhanced by Baku?

Hidan is immortal. Ino even said the attack should have killed him. The reason he survived is because of his immortality. Kakashi did dodge though, at least partially. Also don't forget that Susanoo slows down the user, especially MS Sasuke(with the drawbacks on the technique), so even if he were normally faster than Hidan, while inside Susanoo with mobility reduced, he wouldn't be able to react as fast as him. Especially if he think about relying on Susanoo too much and gets blasted away in the end without realising

Even with the supposed latent recovery ability Hidan has, there is no way for him to be able to be in one piece if it were stronger then Danzo's. We'd seee stiches if he were put back together, but Kakuzu also didn't have all the time in the world to do that unless he is the worlds fastest surgeon. Like, mind blowing priorities there.

Why not? He is immortal. Even if you hit the vitals, he doesn't die and i think we can see for ourselves. The difference in range and damage it does to the forest already says everything

And, of course not. Kisame is able to beat MS Sasuke (Inb4 Rage). But he's also been paired against stronger opponents and has a move set unique enough to cause Sasuke and his jutsu ineffective. And, with experienced with a superior genjutsu user, Kisame is able to tell the tricks of the sharingan and counter it. Like, he can lose. It's a close fight, but Kisame's gotten so many edges over Kakuzu it isn't funny,.

Of course, of course

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Well i think it's obvious by now that he was comparing their sage mode at the time, so it's not really a good example
How would he destroy the masks? They are made of tendrills and we've seen when Kakuzu got cut by Isumo and Kotetsu that it does no damage whatsover, unless you think he would easily hit the mask directly and eventhen i'm not certain it would actually work.

No, Naruto's Sage Mode is still vastly superior to Minato's. He can gather nature chakra quicker, even then, and can last longer in it.

Kakuzu was an Edo Tensei without any hearts. Unless you're assuming it'll have the same effect, with his threads somehow protecting Kakuzu's hearts from a yasaka Manta or Susano'o arrow. Which've been destroyed by far less, such as Asuma's own fuuton (Katon?).

You're also assuming that the process of reconstructing Kakuzu's center mass, where a heart still lies, will be effortless. He takes out at the minimal of one heart with that attack, unless it's Domu. Then Sasuke just runs up inside Susano'o and uses a chidori spear on him. Not as easy as it sounds, but yeah. Something along those lines.

Then it simply means his strongest attack is comparable to explosive tags :| We clearly see the difference in damage between the explosive tags and Itachi's magatamas(in parallel) on the ground and the damage is similar. And even if we ignore this argument, i gave plenty of other examples proving that the Susanoo offensive power in general isn't that great(Mei tanking it, arrows failing to go through a layer, beginning of Sakura doing more damage to the ground), making it actually understandable if even the magatamas don't do that much damage as we hyped it to. It simply means that we overrated the technique

Right, I am not playing this game with you. The manga was showing the transition between their childhoods together and the present; How everything is as it was back then. It was not showing that Susano'o's projetciles are in the same radius of DC as Explosion tags.

Your favorite deems them plenty powerful, unable to evade with foot speed and needs to use Kamui. Why? Because he dies otherwise. Clear as that. The difference between explosive tags and Yasaka Mana beads is that one explodes, and canonically only has done severe damage in large numbers. Yasaka Mana qill tear through an enemy after making first contact. It's job isn't to explode or cause damage to the entire area, it's damage is done to a target or group.

The AoE doesn't matter when the attack isn't based off of something like that, this'll go for the arrows too.

And like i've said above, the arrows won't do damage to the mask due to the constitution of their bodies. And Kakuzu isn't forced to bodily react. He just has to solidify his body, something that requires no movements and arrows that can't go through a small bridge layer won't do shit to his defense

Assuming Sasuke doesn't hit the masks themselves? We've seen his precision with the arrows in the past, being able to hit Naruto's own truth seeking balls. You might claim that it's a feat that only end of series Sasuke has, but senjutsu shouldn't have any increase in his skills with a bow or the weapons like that. You could argue that he only managed to see them and react to something as fast because of his power ups. But, Kakuzu's masks aren't fast. They got killed by a misstep and running into their own allies (Asuma's) fuuton. Tell me, please, that they're going to be avoiding an arrow.

Please give me anything that suggests Kakuzu has a great enough reaction time to avoid an arrow? Even if he can use Domu as a shield, Sasuke is top three most skilled raiton users. It literally means nothing before him. Close combat with Kakuzu ends Domu solidly.

Hidan is immortal. Ino even said the attack should have killed him. The reason he survived is because of his immortality. Kakashi did dodge though, at least partially. Also don't forget that Susanoo slows down the user, especially MS Sasuke(with the drawbacks on the technique), so even if he were normally faster than Hidan, while inside Susanoo with mobility reduced, he wouldn't be able to react as fast as him. Especially if he think about relying on Susanoo too much and gets blasted away in the end without realising

Stop twisting manga scans. Ino said they're using his immortality to their advantage. Meaning, damage doesn't really matter to him unless it can separate a limb or is something on the scales of a bijuu dama or amaterasu. It should be obvious that Danzo's own fuuton and Kakuzus work differently, and which one is more lethal, more applicable and thus greater. Danzo's. Hidan had no real damage done to him, Kakuzu would not have used the fuuton on Hidan if it endagered the man from cutting him apart.

Meaning? Susano'o V2 tanks. Unless some dead trees rooted into the ground are on the same level as a V2 or above Susano'o. And, it doesn't really matter when the fight ends in two minutes, and Amaterasu is restricted. Meaning his entire arsenal opens up for more room when one of his most exhausting abilities is taken from him.

Why not? He is immortal. Even if you hit the vitals, he doesn't die and i think we can see for ourselves. The difference in range and damage it does to the forest already says everything

Of course, of course

Except the fact that a shinobi of a worn out Kakashi speeded away without any real damage, Hidan tanked it without any damage to his body. Maybe there was some internal harm? Maybe. But,when there are easy ways to avoid it, and the general rate of death is low. It's not impressive. Especially when a fuuton enhanced jutsu from Danzo broke up a V3. Like, there's a vast different.

Get the Kisame thread up. I'm capable of defending him just as well.

 

[paratise]

This won't prove much since you brought little to nothing from Sasuke. Like...he has his own elemental jutsu?

Kakuzu's fuuton is not stronger than Baku/Danzo's...He could not even hurt Hidan who takes injuries like regular ninjas since he could get hurt by basic ninja tools like shrukens and knifes.

Kakuzu and Kakashi never had actual taijutsu confrontation. Kakashi, being the smart guy he is probably knew basic tai can not hurt Kakuzu. While Sasuke uses kenjutsu amplified with lightning, he has more than what it takes for dominating close quarters. Shikamaru could evade -surprise, mind you- attack of Kakuzu. This guy has little reaction/speed orientation.

And chidori sharp spear can one shot multiple hearts at once like this:

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Chidori nagashi eradicates the tendrils if Kakuzu tries to strangle him with them.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

wow didnt think will wanted **** that bad mind u it makes sense / willy > **** willy in **** = tac 1 man + 1 woman = 69 geddit 1 man + woman = 69? geddit geddit

 

[SakuraHarunoHaterSlayer]

Sakura Yin Seal activated & Strength of a hundred technique with Katsuyu solos

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

wow didnt think will wanted **** that bad mind u it makes sense / willy > **** willy in **** = tac 1 man + 1 woman = 69 geddit 1 man + woman = 69? geddit geddit

Still workin' ol' Kakuzu's balls, Adam? Don't forget to work on the shaft when you get a chance.

 

[Bogard]

@Will and Caterpie going offline for now. Would reply tomorrow

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Make sure you bring your A-game Bogard, otherwise I should just ask Zex to jump in

 

[Beans2]

3- Susanoo's magatamas have been compared to explosive tags [

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Seriously?

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Lol, Sasuke shits. Complete Susanoo tanks all of Kakuzu's offensive Ninjutsu, and 5 arrows one shot each of his hearts. Then Raiton takes out the real Kakuzu, easy to do since he can't breach Susanoo.

 

[adeshina365]

Bogard go home, you're drunk.

 

[Transcendence]

Hebi Sasuke is enough for Kakuzu. MS Sasuke is out of Kakuzu's league.