What transformation? That's clearly a 3tomoe... Prepared? smh any proof to back up this claim? Nope... Yes in that short amount of time any Hyuga would be sniped the Hyuga wank threads need to end...
Nope, this no wank, it is the truth which has beed denied for quite a long time.
when Kishi make closeup on someone with doujutsu clearly it means that it is emphasis about something having to do with doujutsu, in that case it was evovling to MS pattern.
say what you want, but the truth is Neji could use and begin to spin while the golden sharp objects of Kidomaru was few inches from him:
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^^ look how close they were,before Neji begin to spin:
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Will you say manga lied back then ?, or that it was mistake of Kishi. Sorry but I bring your proof
Nope, this no wank, it is the truth which has beed denied for quite a long time.
when Kishi make closeup on someone with doujutsu clearly it means that it is emphasis about something having to do with doujutsu, in that case it was evovling to MS pattern.
say what you want, but the truth is Neji could use and begin to spin while the golden sharp objects of Kidomaru was few inches from him:
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^^ look how close they were,before Neji begin to spin:
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Did you say manga lied back then ?, or that it was mistake of Kishi. Sorry but I bring your proof
Now were comparing those puny Kunai to a Susanoo arrow? Neji Rotation was bested by some wood spikes Susanoo arrows plows through rotation... How would Neji even know if it's going to be Kamui when chakra build up is required for genjutsu as well so how would he know if he's trying to use genjutsu?
Now were comparing those puny Kunai to a Susanoo arrow? Neji Rotation was bested by some wood spikes Susanoo arrows plows through rotation... How would Neji even know if it's going to be Kamui when chakra build up is required for genjutsu as well so how would he know if he's trying to use genjutsu?
only in speed at which they move, and there is no considerable difference.
Neji rotation was only bested because he can not spin all the time, and that why he stated the number of wood spikes overhelmed him. If they were attacking him at the same time while he spining he would have no problem...
The last sentence of your is actual problem..., He wouldn't know simply, he would only be on guard buiding up his own chakra, but he wouldn't know what attack will be used, that why I stated with intel on it, Hyuuga and especially Hiashi could react and beat them.
only in speed at which they move, and there is no considerable difference.
Neji rotation was only bested because he can not spin all the time, and that why he stated the number of wood spikes overhelmed him. If they were attacking him at the same time while he spining he would have no problem...
The last sentence of your is actual problem..., He wouldn't know simply, he would only be on guard buiding up his own chakra, but he wouldn't know what attack will be used, that why I stated with intel on it, Hyuuga and especially Hiashi could react and beat them.
Truth... well but considering Hiashi would have intel here about them, then from Obito he would only be afraid/on guard assuming always the worse aka Kamui, so use air palm to making him unable to lock eye on him.
The genjutsu no matter how powerfull would be no problem as simple Kai would release him as Obito doesn't have Koto or Tsyukomi.
Truth... well but considering Hiashi would have intel here about them, then from Obito he would only be afraid/on guard assuming always the worse aka Kamui, so use air palm to making him unable to lock eye on him.
The genjutsu no matter how powerfull would be no problem as simple Kai would release him as Obito doesn't have Koto or Tsyukomi.
I didn't mean block I meant hit his head as whole so he is unable to keep it in place and try to lock his eye at Hiashi who would be in constant movement.
I know it is farfetched as hell and Hiashi lack speed feats but well it possible if we only consider hiashi foot speed around MS Sasuke foot speed level.
I didn't mean block I meant hit his head as whole so he is unable to keep it in place and try to lock his eye at Hiashi who would be in constant movement.
I know it is farfetched as hell and Hiashi lack speed feats but well it possible if we only consider hiashi foot speed around MS Sasuke foot speed level.
again without intel Hiashi is gone, while with intel Hiashi used full body blow to attack Obito who either cancel warping and become intangible and pass through it or jump away increasing distance between them
Hello guys, I was a bit bored and there is already good amount of translations from Databook IV. We know that Hyuuga clan was underdeveloped and forgotten by Kishi by almost whole part 2 Naruto manga, until the Last the movie came out where Hyuuga clan got again chance to shine.
Among the Hyuuga clan the strongest/the most prominent was noone other then Hiashi Hyuuga:
Now as IV databook stated Hiashi Hyuuga- ultimate Hyuuga then we can assing any Hyuuga feats to Hiashi, simple as that + his own shown in barerly little on-screen time he got.
NOW before you decided to rage and insult me or call Hiashi fodder, please read exactly the title:
NOT boosted/blessed/gifted by external source MS users, what that mean ?
simple:
1) no Senjuu DNA
2) no Rikudou chakra or Tailed beasts chakra
3) no Spiritual weapons like Yata Mirror or Totsuka Blade.
Now considering what is mentioned above, I wanted to prove that Hiashi can beat MS Sasuke/MS Itachi/MS Madara/MS Izuna/MS Shisui and also DMS Obito without Senjuu DNA.
Basically anything less then MS abilities will not affect Hiashi at all or put him down for once and last time.
Byakugan gives such great insight that user can see through genjutsu, so it is nigh impossible to catch them in one of it.
Now about when MS abilities will get used...
Tsukiyomi -
unique ability of Itachi to cast illusion in which Itachi can control Time and Space and it is stated that few seconds spent there could be equal to days outside, so if Itachi torture someone then it really has terrible effects on victim. However it can only caught someone by eye contact.
Kotoamatsukami -
unique ability of Shisui to cast illusion without need of direct eye contact. Still it requires victim to be in field of caster's vision. The most advangate about this ability is that victim willingly does what caster ask victim to do.
^^ both above are Genjutsu, special types but stil Genjutsu. Considering Hiashi as supperior of Hyuuga clan he most likely detect them and counter right away not giving chance for Itachi or Shisui to any oppening.
Also all of them require chakra build up in eye which can easily be spotted by Hyuuga, especially their leader.
Amaterasu -
unique ability to spawn black flames from thin air whenever caster look at. It has however one distadvantage is which is blood flowing from eye which can easily be spotted by Hiashi and allow him to react in according to that. Amaterasu also as other MS techniques also requires chakra build up which can be noticed by Hyuuga
Kamui -
unique ability of Uchiha Obito to open dimenssional hole in line of his vision. Around the hole instatnly space time barrier is casted/spawn and victim or part of victim which is trapped inside it will be forcefully drawn into hole either ripping it apart or transporting to other dimenssion from where is no escape.
It is by far the most hax and troublesome ms ability which is really hard to react to taking nigh-flash speed to escape from that. However as all ms abilities it also shares weakness of caster needing to build up chakra in eye first, also range of it depends on caster's eye visibility distance.
Enton -
unique ability of Sasuke to shape black flames into anything he wishes make flames solid Sasuke can uses efficently as defence or offence. Disadvantage is that it requires Amaterasu to be spawn already.
Susanoo -
Etheral/spiritual warrior made of double MS users's chakra manifested around them taking different forms. This special entity is made of different layers of chakra as they appear as DMS user push more and more chakra into that, from the ribcage to armor covered over muscles/skin over bones giant mythical looking like Tengu warrior. Wether Susanoo is used it was never stated to require chakra build up, also this special ability doesn't come from eyes but rather from the body but two Ms are needed to awoken it.
Now how Hiashi can deal with these abilities, here I go:
Tsukiyomi and
Kotoamatsukami - as I said Hiashi will see chakra build up in the eyes and sharpen his eyes and body to see through genjutsu the moment it is casted dispelling it right away.
Amaterasu - as I said Hiashi will see chakra build up in the eyes, and either expel his chakra to stop Amaterasu from contact with his body:
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and blast it away with full body blow:
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, if Amaterasu keep being spawned then rotation will be used:
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, once rotation stop, full body blow followed by air palm can be used to blast Amaterasu back.
Enton - as I said Hiashi will see chakra build up in the eyes, and either expel his chakra to stop Enton from contact with his body:
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and try to blast it away with full body blow:
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, if Enton solid black flames will penetrate through it then rotation will be used:
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, once rotation stop, full body blow followed by air palm can be used to blast Amaterasu back.
Kamui - as I said Hiashi will see chakra build up in the eyes, now the only way is air palm or air palm wall to blast the Kamui caster in head few times making it very hard for him to keep his body stable while he has to close distance in how fast he can. While being close Hiashi has to be on guard about close range Kamui either by expeling chakra around his body to be blast himself away in any moment of need and use gentle fist 64 palms to get Kamui user while distraction but it would be hard.
Susanoo - as I said Hiashi will see chakra build up in the body, using air palm wall would be easily to keep ribcage Susanoo in check easily, maybe even full skeleton also aka v2, but that is debatable. for v3 double arms air palm wall should be sufficent as it was enough to blast Juubi's giant arm away:
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^^ what more is that Hiashi didn't even look tired or exhausted even slight, which either prove Hiashi can use stronger blast or he can do it multiple times which is no joke.
Heck I would say that double arms air palm wall could even keep legged Susanoo v3 in check, debatable final Sussano. and PS of course would stomp Hiashi.
Anything below Final Susanoo can possible be destroyed by Hiashi utilising Gentle Fist to destroy chakra as proved here:
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Actually even Kaguya by using her sheer amount of chakra with full body blow ability:
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^^ which it is very much possible, only amount of chakra put into attack can matter but as Kaguya was not even slightly tired it shows it took very little of chakra and it was able to blast and destroy PS. Clearly Hiashi could do the same to v3 and below if used all chakra at once.
Sussano magatama or arrows will be blasted by air plam wall so they would not be such problem. Kamui shurikens wouldn't work either.
Summary: As I proved Hiashi is very much capable of beating NOT boosted/blessed/gifted by external source MS users, the reason why he couldn't do that in actual battle is very small amount of feats and the most issue is lack knowledge how fast Hiashi is and his reaction time which would crucial here.
again without intel Hiashi is gone, while with intel Hiashi used full body blow to attack Obito who either cancel warping and become intangible and pass through it or jump away increasing distance between them
A lot of assumptions based off of little assumptions. The Byakugans defense against genjutsu is the very same as the 1 or 2 tomoe sharingan. It can see chakra and whether or not if it is disturbed. So what? It was never actually stated to see through genjutsu in the same way the Sharingan does. Tsukiyomi downs any hyuuga as does Koto. Btw your arguments relies on Hiashi having information he doesnt have. How is Hiashi breaking the most powerful genjutsus? With a self kai? The sharingan is better built for fighting genjutsu and Kakashi still got wrecked.
How does blood comings down ones eye allows Hiashi to react? Thats not unique to Amaterasu. Simply casting a regular genjutsu with the MS can cause blood to appear. Once Amaterasu is out, Hiashi is done for.
Your Kamui defense is horrible. You might as well say one can defend against kamui by throwing a kunai at the users head. Hell your logic says deidara should have been able to defend against Kamui. Deva Path also should have been able to. Pain Arc and War Arc Kakashi can kamui pretty fast from far distances. An air palm isnt saving Hiashi.
An air palm isnt harming Susanoo. Push it back maybe. Afternoon tiger isnt even harming Susanoo. You're also reaching by saying he can do bigger and stronger ones because he wasnt tired.
1. Its not in character for him to do that even if he could
2. There isnt any evidence of your assertion. Naruto never once showed fatigue after doing rasengan one time. That doesnt mean I can assert that pre timeskip Naruto can do Oodama Rasengan or the bigger variants.
Also what does Kaguya have to do with anything. Those are her feats and hers alone.
In conclusion, this Hyuuga wanking has to stop. Theres a reason why the Uchiha and Senju are the strongest clans. The hyuuga simply arent on their level. Off panel feats, statements, on panel feats, all put them stronger even if you try to nerf them.
Disagree with a few points but you actually brought explanations.
Using Kaguya's feats though isn't something that should be given to Hiashi. Her hair spike things managed to penetrate Susanoo and all but then again, her ash bones are capable of piercing through PS with ease. A body blow destroying Sasuke's PS shouldn't be surprising from her. Hiashi shouldn't be able to use techniques on her level despite having the Byakugan just like Madara can't use her abilities despite having the RinneSharingan as well.
A counter to Tsukyomi could be closing his eyes. His Byakugan would still allow him to see around him either way without any actual eye contact.
KA is tricky since the victim is unaware of it. Although with the Byakugan, he'll probably pick up the disturbance in his chakra at some point and realize he's under a genjutsu. Depends on how it's handled.
Susanoo's explanation seems like a stretch though. It's a manifestation of chakra but it's made solid. He's going to have to have enough power to be able to break through and inject his chakra into higher versions of Susanoo for them to fall apart if that's what you're implying.
As for Kamui, even if he can sense the chakra build up in his eyes, how would he avoid a "snipe"? I agree at how he handles short range Kamui though. Air isn't something that overlaps with Obito's body either so Air Palm might still affect him as well.
