Hiashi Hyuuga can beat any NOT boosted/blessed/gifted by external source MS users

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Hello guys, I was a bit bored and there is already good amount of translations from Databook IV. We know that Hyuuga clan was underdeveloped and forgotten by Kishi by almost whole part 2 Naruto manga, until the Last the movie came out where Hyuuga clan got again chance to shine.

Among the Hyuuga clan the strongest/the most prominent was noone other then Hiashi Hyuuga:

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Hyuuga Hiashi
Rank: Jounin
The solemn clan head burdened with the fate of the Hyuuga!
With a proud boast in his heart, he protects Konoha to the end!! He is the head of the [Hyuuga] clan, which inherits one of the three great doujutsu, the byakugan. He earnestly wishes for the Hyuuga to prosper, dreaming of a future in which the main family and branch family can be together hand in hand. His superior ability is prominent even in his clan.
Know this! The Hyuuga are the strongest in Konoha!
Hiashi trained Neji, who was of the branch family. They dance in unison on the battlefield.
Ninja Registration Number: 005159
Birthday: January 8 (46 years old, Capricorn)
Height: 176.5 cm
Weight: 59.6 kg
Blood Type: B
Personality: Strict, direct

Now as IV databook stated Hiashi Hyuuga- ultimate Hyuuga then we can assing any Hyuuga feats to Hiashi, simple as that + his own shown in barerly little on-screen time he got.

NOW before you decided to rage and insult me or call Hiashi fodder, please read exactly the title:

NOT boosted/blessed/gifted by external source MS users, what that mean ?
simple:

1) no Senjuu DNA
2) no Rikudou chakra or Tailed beasts chakra
3) no Spiritual weapons like Yata Mirror or Totsuka Blade.
Now considering what is mentioned above, I wanted to prove that Hiashi can beat MS Sasuke/MS Itachi/MS Madara/MS Izuna/MS Shisui and also DMS Obito without Senjuu DNA.

Basically anything less then MS abilities will not affect Hiashi at all or put him down for once and last time.

Byakugan gives such great insight that user can see through genjutsu, so it is nigh impossible to catch them in one of it.

Now about when MS abilities will get used...

Tsukiyomi -
unique ability of Itachi to cast illusion in which Itachi can control Time and Space and it is stated that few seconds spent there could be equal to days outside, so if Itachi torture someone then it really has terrible effects on victim. However it can only caught someone by eye contact.

Kotoamatsukami
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unique ability of Shisui to cast illusion without need of direct eye contact. Still it requires victim to be in field of caster's vision. The most advangate about this ability is that victim willingly does what caster ask victim to do.

^^ both above are Genjutsu, special types but stil Genjutsu. Considering Hiashi as supperior of Hyuuga clan he most likely detect them and counter right away not giving chance for Itachi or Shisui to any oppening.
Also all of them require chakra build up in eye which can easily be spotted by Hyuuga, especially their leader.

Amaterasu -
unique ability to spawn black flames from thin air whenever caster look at. It has however one distadvantage is which is blood flowing from eye which can easily be spotted by Hiashi and allow him to react in according to that. Amaterasu also as other MS techniques also requires chakra build up which can be noticed by Hyuuga

Kamui -
unique ability of Uchiha Obito to open dimenssional hole in line of his vision. Around the hole instatnly space time barrier is casted/spawn and victim or part of victim which is trapped inside it will be forcefully drawn into hole either ripping it apart or transporting to other dimenssion from where is no escape.
It is by far the most hax and troublesome ms ability which is really hard to react to taking nigh-flash speed to escape from that. However as all ms abilities it also shares weakness of caster needing to build up chakra in eye first, also range of it depends on caster's eye visibility distance.

Enton -
unique ability of Sasuke to shape black flames into anything he wishes make flames solid Sasuke can uses efficently as defence or offence. Disadvantage is that it requires Amaterasu to be spawn already.

Susanoo -
Etheral/spiritual warrior made of double MS users's chakra manifested around them taking different forms. This special entity is made of different layers of chakra as they appear as DMS user push more and more chakra into that, from the ribcage to armor covered over muscles/skin over bones giant mythical looking like Tengu warrior. Wether Susanoo is used it was never stated to require chakra build up, also this special ability doesn't come from eyes but rather from the body but two Ms are needed to awoken it.

Now how Hiashi can deal with these abilities, here I go:

Tsukiyomi and
Kotoamatsukami
- as I said Hiashi will see chakra build up in the eyes and sharpen his eyes and body to see through genjutsu the moment it is casted dispelling it right away.

Amaterasu - as I said Hiashi will see chakra build up in the eyes, and either expel his chakra to stop Amaterasu from contact with his body:
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and blast it away with full body blow:
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, if Amaterasu keep being spawned then rotation will be used:
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, once rotation stop, full body blow followed by air palm can be used to blast Amaterasu back.

Enton - as I said Hiashi will see chakra build up in the eyes, and either expel his chakra to stop Enton from contact with his body:
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and try to blast it away with full body blow:
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, if Enton solid black flames will penetrate through it then rotation will be used:
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, once rotation stop, full body blow followed by air palm can be used to blast Amaterasu back.

Kamui - as I said Hiashi will see chakra build up in the eyes, now the only way is air palm or air palm wall to blast the Kamui caster in head few times making it very hard for him to keep his body stable while he has to close distance in how fast he can. While being close Hiashi has to be on guard about close range Kamui either by expeling chakra around his body to be blast himself away in any moment of need and use gentle fist 64 palms to get Kamui user while distraction but it would be hard.

Susanoo - as I said Hiashi will see chakra build up in the body, using air palm wall would be easily to keep ribcage Susanoo in check easily, maybe even full skeleton also aka v2, but that is debatable. for v3 double arms air palm wall should be sufficent as it was enough to blast Juubi's giant arm away:

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^^ what more is that Hiashi didn't even look tired or exhausted even slight, which either prove Hiashi can use stronger blast or he can do it multiple times which is no joke.

Heck I would say that double arms air palm wall could even keep legged Susanoo v3 in check, debatable final Sussano. and PS of course would stomp Hiashi.

Anything below Final Susanoo can possible be destroyed by Hiashi utilising Gentle Fist to destroy chakra as proved here:
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Actually even Kaguya by using her sheer amount of chakra with full body blow ability:
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^^ which it is very much possible, only amount of chakra put into attack can matter but as Kaguya was not even slightly tired it shows it took very little of chakra and it was able to blast and destroy PS. Clearly Hiashi could do the same to v3 and below if used all chakra at once.

Sussano magatama or arrows will be blasted by air plam wall so they would not be such problem. Kamui shurikens wouldn't work either.

Summary : As I proved Hiashi is very much capable of beating NOT boosted/blessed/gifted by external source MS users, the reason why he couldn't do that in actual battle is very small amount of feats and the most issue is lack knowledge how fast Hiashi is and his reaction time which would crucial here.

Thanks for reading !

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he can't beat Fugaku
 

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The hyuuga suck at Genjutsu.
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Part one sakura was had a higher score, they don't survived itachi
 

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I didn't read. He'd get shat on by ms sasuke, the weakest ms user.
 

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I stop reading at beat MS Madara

But nice thread, actually its hard to proof what we think can be said as 80% fact, it because Hiashi himself never fight seriously with outside opponent or powerful opponent

Even Neji also cant be used as indecator because of experiance and personal style of fighting even though both are Hyuuga:)
 

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Rotation would only boost amaterasu
 

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I stopped reading at beat MS Itachi

and did you even bother reading my first post ? No yata and no Totsuka

he can't beat Fugaku

and any valid proof or explanation why is that , I am curious

The hyuuga suck at Genjutsu.
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Part one sakura was had a higher score, they don't survived itachi

Neji > Sakura, if only Neji would get enough screen time and Kishi decided to expand upon them.

Hiashi >> Sakura, actually Hiashi could challenge Tsunade if only speed was equalized as we don't have any speed feat from Hiashi

I didn't read. He'd get shat on by ms sasuke, the weakest ms user.

The reason for that is ?

I stop reading at beat MS Madara

But nice thread, actually its hard to proof what we think can be said as 80% fact, it because Hiashi himself never fight seriously with outside opponent or powerful opponent

Even Neji also cant be used as indecator because of experiance and personal style of fighting even though both are Hyuuga:)

but this is truth even if is unpopular and disliked as idea. I did NOT particulary said that he always win, or that he actually stronger, I just SIMPLY proved that Hiashi is very much capable of beating them if speed was close or equalized.

Thanks for kind words,I am glad to have your support even if not whole.

Rotation would only boost amaterasu

Only if Amaterasu would stay on it, don't you think swirling effect cause to throw something away due to pushing force.
 

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Clone explosion solos him

Hiashi see chakra build up and it wouldn't it was strong only back then in part 1.

Also Hiashi can easily block it releasing chakra outside of body without even spiining
 

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and did you even bother reading my first post ? No yata and no Totsuka



and any valid proof or explanation why is that , I am curious



Neji > Sakura, if only Neji would get enough screen time and Kishi decided to expand upon them.

Hiashi >> Sakura, actually Hiashi could challenge Tsunade if only speed was equalized as we don't have any speed feat from Hiashi



The reason for that is ?



but this is truth even if is unpopular and disliked as idea. I did NOT particulary said that he always win, or that he actually stronger, I just SIMPLY proved that Hiashi is very much capable of beating them if speed was close or equalized.

Thanks for kind words,I am glad to have your support even if not whole.



Only if Amaterasu would stay on it, don't you think swirling effect cause to throw something away due to pushing force.
Lets not get into how Tsunade solo's, this was about genjutsu.
Remember Sasuke and Naruto's attack tht burned the jubbi?
 

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Hiashi see chakra build up and it wouldn't it was strong only back then in part 1.

Also Hiashi can easily block it releasing chakra outside of body without even spiining

Even if I give you that finger genjutsu neggs or tsukuyomi he can't fight itachi with his eyes closed
 

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Even if I give you that finger genjutsu neggs or tsukuyomi he can't fight itachi with his eyes closed

but it was already proved by manga that genjutsu doesn't work on Hyuuga, well it may just caught him as everyone else to be dispelled in same or next second.

Lets not get into how Tsunade solo's, this was about genjutsu.
Remember Sasuke and Naruto's attack tht burned the jubbi?

Yeah, and what about it ? Zzz
 

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but it was already proved by manga that genjutsu doesn't work on Hyuuga, well it may just caught him as everyone else to be dispelled in same or next second.



Yeah, and what about it ? Zzz

RS is rotation which amplified the Amaterasu.The Hyuga's rotation would probably amplify it aswell.
 

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RS is rotation which amplified the Amaterasu.The Hyuga's rotation would probably amplify it aswell.


The boosts amaterasu gets doesn't come from rotation at all. Nothing was implied to be that. It's wind. Rotation is nothing other than pure chakra, and would not boost amaterasu.


Regardless, I disagree somewhat with the OP. Sure, I'd imagine that susanoo could be taken care of, but things like Tsukyomi are a bit too much.
 

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RS is rotation which amplified the Amaterasu.The Hyuga's rotation would probably amplify it aswell.

below is your answer:

The boosts amaterasu gets doesn't come from rotation at all. Nothing was implied to be that. It's wind. Rotation is nothing other than pure chakra, and would not boost amaterasu.

Regardless, I disagree somewhat with the OP. Sure, I'd imagine that susanoo could be taken care of, but things like Tsukyomi are a bit too much.

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^^ clearly Kishi think otherwise as clash of Rasengan(pure chakra) against chidori enhanced with Enton(black flames manipulation) ended in black flames being blasted away U_U

I am glad that you could see Hiashi countering Susanoo, but what is so hard to believe same about Tsukyomi ?
 

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below is your answer:



Thanks for explanation to further prove that:
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^^ clearly Kishi think otherwise as clash of Rasengan(pure chakra) against chidori enhanced with Enton(black flames manipulation) ended in black flames being blasted away U_U

I am glad that you could see Hiashi countering Susanoo, but what is so hard to believe same about Tsukyomi ?



It isn't a genjutsu that can be swatted away. For starters, KA is an auto end game since it's a brainwash that can't be recognized. Byakugan or not, he won't be aware of it if he's the one effected by it. Tsukyomi is also bad. It's powerful, and manipulates time perception. You pretty much need a sharingan with Uchiha chakra to combat it. Hiashi has neither. Either of these genjutsus would spell doom for Hiashi, especially since he has no choice but to look at it (360 vision).
 

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It isn't a genjutsu that can be swatted away. For starters, KA is an auto end game since it's a brainwash that can't be recognized. Byakugan or not, he won't be aware of it if he's the one effected by it. Tsukyomi is also bad. It's powerful, and manipulates time perception. You pretty much need a sharingan with Uchiha chakra to combat it. Hiashi has neither. Either of these genjutsus would spell doom for Hiashi, especially since he has no choice but to look at it (360 vision).

Ka is debatable, but possibly it would end game.

However Tsukyomi can be countered and the only problem would be the amount of time he need to dispel it... beacuse as we know few seconds spend there equal days in real world, that is only problem I see.
 

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I agree 97%

-Tsukiyomi< Byakugan penetrating sight (tenketsu sight) zero eye contact
-Amaterasu< Expanded Chakra dome
-Kamui close range < Full body burst which is a full body jyuken strike
-Kamui snipe < Byakugan insight+ Expanded chakra dome
-Susanoo< Wall palm blastin it with jyuuken chakra with enough force to sky rocket the juubi's tail, jyuuken>>chakra constructs, even danzo cleared a good portion with a vacuum air blast which cant compair to Wall palm.

-Kotoamatsukami>>Hiashi.
 

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Well...
By overral feats, hyoe and portrayal, Uchiha > Hyuugas. MS Users >> Hyuugas.
 
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