Hiashi Hyuuga can beat any NOT boosted/blessed/gifted by external source MS users

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Kamui snip or kamui warp GG KA controls his dumbass tsukuyomi 1 shots Kirin GG

also you keep talking about seeing chakra build up in the eye Sasuke's susanoo arrow already shot off was warped by kakashi who had 3 tomoe the
chakra build up is almost non existent in combat people need to throw that shiity argument out the window

I wont even bother with your first two lines as this is just wank with no arguments.

Anyway with chakra build up it is true, even if it is just very short amount of time it is required to put nore chakra into eyes even if a bit to activate doujutsu.
So clearly eye ability as ms abilities would require even more chakra amount. PURE example is kidomaru who when entered curse seal lwvel 1 making only slight change in chakra flow which instantly detected by Neji.
 

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Kamui charge time is none existance compared to Amaterasu since Kakashi has enough time to turn his MS on and Kamui 2 arrows while in med air roughly 16ft away from him... Hiashi isn't reacting to that...
 

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Genjutsu solos
 

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Sharingan genjutsu needs eye contact . It wouldn't work on someone who can just close their eyes and see through it using Byakugan .

and which of the MS user in story aka Itachi,Obito,Madara and Sasky has not shown the speed lvl to blitz Hiashi and genjutsu him
 

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and which of the MS user in story aka Itachi,Obito,Madara and Sasky has not shown the speed lvl to blitz Hiashi and genjutsu him

I'm not saying that. I'm just saying Visual genjutsu won't work on a Byakugan user. Yet you're claiming they can solo him with that, which would be impossible.
 

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I'm not saying that. I'm just saying Visual genjutsu won't work on a Byakugan user. Yet you're claiming they can solo him with that, which would be impossible.

Yeah ok i was not serious either with genjutsu solos thing
 

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Kamui charge time is none existance compared to Amaterasu since Kakashi has enough time to turn his MS on and Kamui 2 arrows while in med air roughly 16ft away from him... Hiashi isn't reacting to that...

Bra kakashi used Kamui as a defence, the chakra still has to be concentrated in the eye for it to fire, close range defensive kamui would obviously be quicker than offensive mid/long range kamui because of distance.

The time it takes to activate kaiten's chakra dome is many times faster than offensive kamui snipe or even defensive since it only requires the byakugan to give the heads up an the user expel the chakra which can instantly expand to block kamui snipe or divert the course of sasuke's arrows, and dont tell me it cant divert the arrows when old man danzo who finds it hard to evade kunai was able to do so using a tree.

Even a critically injured neji was able to divert kido's arrow usin fragile chakra, an plz dont underate kido's arrows.
 

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Kamui charge time is none existance compared to Amaterasu since Kakashi has enough time to turn his MS on and Kamui 2 arrows while in med air roughly 16ft away from him... Hiashi isn't reacting to that...

@bold part, yes it may seems like to none existent compared to Amaterasu but it has to be still here even if shorter.

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^^ bottom left panel clearly shows sharingan transformation which can not be nothing other then in MS.
Considering that Kakashi was already prepared to fight Sasuke he clearly was building up his chakra already for any jutsu, he just transfered this amount of chakra into eye and spawn Kamui the same second arrow was about to smash him.

I am not arguing that it took a lot of time, but it would be completly another case if Kakashi was surprised and was able to warp it. We can not properly judge this properly and assing to Kamui build up chakra amount of time, as battle was basically off-screen.

Kakashi was not even surprised that Sasuke can shoot arrow from Susanoo which shows rather Sasuke already tried it, but this time he conrnered Kakashi and almost took him out, maybe one second more and Kakashi would be gone.

All I can say is that Kakashi reacted but there was build up chakra, even if small.

and which of the MS user in story aka Itachi,Obito,Madara and Sasky has not shown the speed lvl to blitz Hiashi and genjutsu him

Exactly, the lack of speed feat make it nigh-impossible for Hiashi to win, but he meet all conditions and fulfill all requirements to be able to do that. U_U

Bra kakashi used Kamui as a defence, the chakra still has to be concentrated in the eye for it to fire, close range defensive kamui would obviously be quicker than offensive mid/long range kamui because of distance.

The time it takes to activate kaiten's chakra dome is many times faster than offensive kamui snipe or even defensive since it only requires the byakugan to give the heads up an the user expel the chakra which can instantly expand to block kamui snipe or divert the course of sasuke's arrows, and dont tell me it cant divert the arrows when old man danzo who finds it hard to evade kunai was able to do so using a tree.

Even a critically injured neji was able to divert kido's arrow usin fragile chakra, an plz dont underate kido's arrows.

Perfect answer.

Neji who is inferior to Hiashi even in part 1 was able to react to Kidomaru super fast arrow charging at him:

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^^ as you can see the arrow of Kidomaru covered a little bigger distance to Neji in about same amount of panels, maybe little more and that was Genin Neji, now Part 2 Neji would be at least a bit better and Hiashi even more.

Also notice amount of chakra Neji was emitting through whole battle, just imagine Post Time skip Neji or even Hiashi, well you should know answer.

The only problem Hyuuga would have is definietly speed to keep up, but their reaction time is nothing to laugh about.

EDIT: well I know Sussano's arrow power > Kidomaru's arrow, I am not dumb but about the speed they seem about same speed.
 
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Kamui snip or kamui warp GG KA controls his dumbass tsukuyomi 1 shots Kirin GG

also you keep talking about seeing chakra build up in the eye Sasuke's susanoo arrow already shot off was warped by kakashi who had 3 tomoe the chakra build up is almost non existent in combat people need to throw that shiity argument out the window

All kakashi had to do was immediately activate the jutsu, no need to aim when his eyes already caught glimpse of the arrow an with the speed of the arrows an how much distance they already covered it made kakashi's job easier because of the distance since thats one of the perks of the sharingan, can track in high speed scenarios.

Kamui warp will fail since obito has to sneak grab hiashi which will fail for obvious reason an the moment obito solidifies to attempt the warp he gets stoped by chakra getting expelled from the tenketsu, an plz dont tell me obito warps him before he can even expell his chakra.
 

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Sussano's arrow power > Kidomaru's arrow, I am not dumb but about the speed they seem about same

Not to disagree but wats susano's arrow best piercing/power feat?
-piercing danzo's tree an not even making a significant hole in ground?
-piercing danzo's body an still not making a significant hole in the bridge?
Or piercing a small cave column about the size of a tree without fully drilling through it?.

The only thing goin for sasuke's is thier size an ability to fire simultaneously, in terms of feats kido's arrow's> v3 arrows.
These arrows are small yet can generate enough speed/force to pull nearby trees like a hurricane an create a kaiten sized crater

Fired from over 50m an was instantly able to bypass multiple trees/rocks to get to neji
Each time v3 arrow was shot it was at a closer distance in eyes view while kido's covered more distance in less time.
 
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Not to disagree but wats susano's arrow best piercing/power feat?
-piercing danzo's tree an not even making a significant hole in ground?
-piercing danzo's body an still not making a significant hole in the bridge?
Or piercing a small cave column about the size of a tree without fully drilling through it?.

The only thing goin for sasuke's is thier size an ability to fire simultaneously, in terms of feats kido's arrow's> v3 arrows.
These arrows are small yet can generate enough speed/force to pull nearby trees like a hurricane an create a kaiten sized crater

Fired from over 50m an was instantly able to bypass multiple trees/rocks to get to neji

Well I guess you are right.

About hype and portrayal Susanoo arrow is definitetly stronger
 

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Well I guess you are right.

About hype and portrayal Susanoo arrow is definitetly stronger

Its portrayed to be more deadly because of their size an ability to fire simultaneously + extra perks of havin it used by a strong construct like susano. The arrow itself has never demonstrated the speed/velocity/impact force or pulling force of kido's an in terms of databook hype it still surpasses susano's even tho much smaller an fired out of eyes view, kido had to use his 3rd eye to precisely zoom in for his shots while sasuke was in eyes view for all his shots except the small cave column which was still standing after the shot.
 

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Horrible bullshit. Madara, Kakashi, Obito, Sasuke, Itachi, Shisui, probably even Izuna, they all rape Hiashi or any Hyuga for that matters.
 

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Horrible bullshit. Madara, Kakashi, Obito, Sasuke, Itachi, Shisui, probably even Izuna, they all rape Hiashi or any Hyuga for that matters.

Hiashi hyuuga stomps, stay mad if you can not back up your statements.

I am not afraid of popular opinion, the manga is over and now the truth can be visible through layers of wank and fanboyism
 

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Hiashi hyuuga stomps, stay mad if you can not back up your statements.

I am not afraid of popular opinion, the manga is over and now the truth can be visible through layers of wank and fanboyism

boy shut your fanboyism ass up knowing your a troll
 

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Horrible bullshit. Madara, Kakashi, Obito, Sasuke, Itachi, Shisui, probably even Izuna, they all rape Hiashi or any Hyuga for that matters.

boy shut your fanboyism ass up knowing your a troll

I can not even take you serious any more

keep stating bullshit, unless you try to bring arguments to back your claim.

You are just repeating your opinion which has no importance. Manga fact > opinion
 

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I can not even take you serious any more

keep stating bullshit, unless you try to bring arguments to back your claim.

You are just repeating your opinion which has no importance. Manga fact > opinion

i already brought my argument you chose to ignore kamui snip is far to fast for an airpalm to even have effect we seen what happened to gedo mazo. close range kamui is too. KA make any hyuga commit suicide and no he want be aware this genjutsu specialty is making the opp unaware of it. Itachi sasuke & Madara Susanoo destroys the clown
 

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i already brought my argument you chose to ignore kamui snip is far to fast for an airpalm to even have effect we seen what happened to gedo mazo. close range kamui is too. KA make any hyuga commit suicide and no he want be aware this genjutsu specialty is making the opp unaware of it. Itachi sasuke & Madara Susanoo destroys the clown

The chakra build up is only reason why Hyuuga has chance wether you like it or no.
Hyuuga can see through genjutsu, so it is debatable.

MS Susanoo of any of them is not such impressive as you make it out to be.

You are too much blind by your hate towards Hyuuga or other side characters. yeah Uchiha have great upperhand and it would took all effort from very skilled Hyuuga to even have chance at win, but they can pull it off, especially Hiashi.

Hiashi beat them with restrictions I posted at my OP post, deal with it.

Neji would have loose more time when win, except Itachi and Sasuke if the conditions are the same.

Why are you even so secure about it ?, it is nothing like EMS Sasuke positon or let alone Rinnegan Sasuke would be threatened or possibly to beat by someone as Hyuuga, so calm down yourself and try to reason
 

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Bra kakashi used Kamui as a defence, the chakra still has to be concentrated in the eye for it to fire, close range defensive kamui would obviously be quicker than offensive mid/long range kamui because of distance.

The time it takes to activate kaiten's chakra dome is many times faster than offensive kamui snipe or even defensive since it only requires the byakugan to give the heads up an the user expel the chakra which can instantly expand to block kamui snipe or divert the course of sasuke's arrows, and dont tell me it cant divert the arrows when old man danzo who finds it hard to evade kunai was able to do so using a tree.

Even a critically injured neji was able to divert kido's arrow usin fragile chakra, an plz dont underate kido's arrows.
Used Kamui as a defense that makes no sense what so ever... Like i said the chaka build up is hardly anything at all since we see the arrows are already fired before his MS is even on.( ). Which is even more proof of Kamui insane speed... There is no defense that can stop from being warped by Kamui hell even Kaguya space time portal was warped... Now where comparing Kidomaru arrows to Susanoo's? stop..........
@bold part, yes it may seems like to none existent compared to Amaterasu but it has to be still here even if shorter.

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^^ bottom left panel clearly shows sharingan transformation which can not be nothing other then in MS.
Considering that Kakashi was already prepared to fight Sasuke he clearly was building up his chakra already for any jutsu, he just transfered this amount of chakra into eye and spawn Kamui the same second arrow was about to smash him.

I am not arguing that it took a lot of time, but it would be completly another case if Kakashi was surprised and was able to warp it. We can not properly judge this properly and assing to Kamui build up chakra amount of time, as battle was basically off-screen.

Kakashi was not even surprised that Sasuke can shoot arrow from Susanoo which shows rather Sasuke already tried it, but this time he conrnered Kakashi and almost took him out, maybe one second more and Kakashi would be gone.

All I can say is that Kakashi reacted but there was build up chakra, even if small.

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What transformation? That's clearly a 3tomoe... Prepared? smh any proof to back up this claim? Nope... Yes in that short amount of time any Hyuga would be sniped the Hyuga wank threads need to end...
 
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