Itachi's characterization

[Transcendence]

And she tries to say I'm more intelligent than her... Lol.

Immaculate thread Chie. I wish more people would analyze characters like you analyze Itachi. People always dumb down characters without analyzing the varying complexities rooted within the character. This is especially present in characters like Itachi, Kabuto, Sasuke etc. Who not only have the tragic back story but deal with moral conflicts based on these back stories (Kabuto and his identity, Itachi with like you said "the blood stains on his hands"). That's what makes them unique and easy to like because they're not cookie cutter characters. They're so much deeper than that.

 

[Edenia]

No prob.



Exactly. And I think that you put it into nice words yourself, too. You basically summarized it. I'm glad that you liked it, though.

Im sorry i cant rep you at the moment! I could only put a like

 

[New knight48]

Exactly. The only choice Itachi had in the matter was who killed his clan. No matter what he did, they were going to die. So, he did the choice that would benefit both sides given his circumstance. He was put into a horrendous position.

Metaphorically speaking, the blood is actually on the hands of the Konoha echelons.


Well, the annihilation was ordered so that no conflict would occur. At the point it happened, the Uchiha clan was a threat since they were directly targeting the Hokage and wanted complete control of Konoha regardless of the repercussions. It didn't directly result from the Kyuubi suspicion (and the majority of the village population thought the Uchiha did it).

As far as getting justice goes, it's not as if that would be possible in terms of the Kyuubi incident directly. Simply because Obito/Tobi would never confess to such an act.

However, the Kyuubi suspicion was what led to the surveillance being increased. Which in turn led to the Uchiha becoming offended and finally initiating the plans for a coup they had thought of for years.

The Uchiha elimination is both the fault of the Uchiha and the Konoha echelons. Hiruzen could have overruled Danzo/Koharu/Homura and talked with them right away. He did not and as a result, things took their course.


Well, it only makes Danzo and the other higher-ups look that way. Not the village as a whole. But, I agree. And the other villages aren't any better either.



And I agree with all of this.

I'm glad other people like you fully understand itachi's story
More people need to legitly respect the character instead of just trolling about him. A lot of people believe in the trolling and hate the character cuz of the trolls

 

[~Ethereal~]

Another thing that's tragic is he never technically got a choice in the matter because danzo considered the uchiha such a big threat. Instead of demonstrating justice by finding out was specifically responsible for the nine tailed beast attack and punishing them he insisted that all uchihas were a threat and ordered their slaughter, subsequently taking their eyes. To me it just makes danzo and the leaf look corrupt and pretentious as opposed to being forthright about their creed as it relates to the ethos and creed of their village. It's almost like an anime version of america. "if you're not with us you're against us and if you demonstrate being against us by questioning us you'll be slaughtered..citizen or not..figuratively or literally". Although this is "fiction" I think that's kind of why I can still relate to a lot of aspects of the series. The hero/villain perspective is made prominent in real on a consistent basis based on our personal/cultural perspective. with that being said just as there are two types of heroes there are also two types of antagonists ..or villains. However, more often than not you'll find that the "antagonists" will also claim to want what's best of the community over all but the method they use is often associated with the promotion of their own agenda to the point where they don't really consider how their choices are impacting the people around them or the community as a whole. It's only about their own community and exerting their beliefs onto others in a way that leaves people feeling disempowered and run over.

That wall of text, lol.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Very nice thread Chie

Itachi's character is truly summarized by Shisui's belief that a shinobi is "one that does not seek glory, but protects from the shadows."

 

[Chie]

Very nice thread Chie

Itachi's character is truly summarized by Shisui's belief that a shinobi is "one that does not seek glory, but protects from the shadows."

Thanks.

And that's not Shisui's belief. That's what Itachi learned through Shisui's actions. Lol

 

[salsalover64]

Exactly. The only choice Itachi had in the matter was who killed his clan. No matter what he did, they were going to die. So, he did the choice that would benefit both sides given his circumstance. He was put into a horrendous position.

Metaphorically speaking, the blood is actually on the hands of the Konoha echelons.


Well, the annihilation was ordered so that no conflict would occur. At the point it happened, the Uchiha clan was a threat since they were directly targeting the Hokage and wanted complete control of Konoha regardless of the repercussions. It didn't directly result from the Kyuubi suspicion (and the majority of the village population thought the Uchiha did it).

As far as getting justice goes, it's not as if that would be possible in terms of the Kyuubi incident directly. Simply because Obito/Tobi would never confess to such an act.

However, the Kyuubi suspicion was what led to the surveillance being increased. Which in turn led to the Uchiha becoming offended and finally initiating the plans for a coup they had thought of for years.

The Uchiha elimination is both the fault of the Uchiha and the Konoha echelons. Hiruzen could have overruled Danzo/Koharu/Homura and talked with them right away. He did not and as a result, things took their course.


Well, it only makes Danzo and the other higher-ups look that way. Not the village as a whole. But, I agree. And the other villages aren't any better either.



And I agree with all of this.

Well that kind of leads me to an interesting question, do you think that sasuke's decision regarding destroying the leaf village and killing danzo were just and fair or a heinous crime???? I made a thread about it before but no one really answered and I'm curious about what people think because in this type of situation sasuke's role as the antagonist is debatable depending on a person's perspective.

 

[Xlad]

You're right. Itachi's actions did contribute greatly for Naruto. For example, stopping Madara and Obito wouldn't have been possible had he not helped released Edo Tensei. He allowed all of the Shinobi Alliance to come assist Naruto in stopping IT from happening. Which is why Onoki noted that whoever released Edo Tensei saved the world.

It's a really nice read from you. U_U

I wish USSJ was here.

 

[ooltafooltanitin]

i like the thread ....... plus 1 rep for it.

 

[Chie]

Finally thread about Itachi without any " totsuka gg" BS.

Glad you liked it. And I'm tired of those threads too. Lol

nice threat, never seen this effort for a long time

Thanks for reading. ^^

Totsuka neg diffs your fav so hard itachi gains something in return.

Oh snap.

I like that term "hero of the shadows" it makes much more sense than "hero in the darkness" because itachi was never a dark character in that way. or even completely addicted to darkness like his idiot brother sasuke. he did things that needed to be done like a true Anbu captain. never worrying about his own desires (like when he ran into sasuke as a edo. he could've told sasuke alot of things when he ran into him, but all he said was "lol sasuke deal with me later okay? i need to fix some stuffs that happened while i was away) he could've made sasukes life much easier by just..telling him what happened with the whole uchiha drama. he did'nt though, because it's not in sasukes place to deal with it. so yes chie..the hero of the shadows is the perfect title for him. i enjoyed this thread

Glad you liked it.

I'm glad other people like you fully understand itachi's story
More people need to legitly respect the character instead of just trolling about him. A lot of people believe in the trolling and hate the character cuz of the trolls

Thanks. We need more serious threads about him on NB. He's a well-written and complex character. U_U

Im sorry i cant rep you at the moment! I could only put a like

Don't worry about the rep. xD

 

[New knight48]

Well that kind of leads me to an interesting question, do you think that sasuke's decision regarding destroying the leaf village and killing danzo were just and fair or a heinous crime???? I made a thread about it before but no one really answered and I'm curious about what people think because in this type of situation sasuke's role as the antagonist is debatable depending on a person's perspective.

Just cause of Danzo's corrupt ****ups doesn't justify sasuke destroying the village. Of course sasuke was wrong in attempting that. It was even worse that he let his vengeance overshadow his respect for his brother wishes.

 

[Transcendence]

Well that kind of leads me to an interesting question, do you think that sasuke's decision regarding destroying the leaf village and killing danzo were just and fair or a heinous crime???? I made a thread about it before but no one really answered and I'm curious about what people think because in this type of situation sasuke's role as the antagonist is debatable depending on a person's perspective.

Again, this sort of comes back to the whole "moral conflict" idea. If you want to look at it completely unbiasedly, him killing Danzo wasn't really a crime, especially in the eyes of the original standing Gokage besides Tsunade. They were already up in arms about Danzo trying to weasel his way into becoming the commander of the Shinobi Alliance, so they would have never cooperated with him regardless. Killing him doesn't really constitute itself as a crime as well, given his own actions, which include waging genocide on a clan that didn't actually do anything, and were only planning on it. However, the wanting to destroy the leaf is an entirely different scenario, and can only be attributed to Sasuke's character specifically. At the time, you have to wonder how much mental trauma Sasuke was experiencing. He had just killed his brother, only to find out the truth behind his sacrifice and how he actually cared for him, and learned that the Leaf (the Elders and Danzo mostly) was the root cause of Itachi having to suffer as posing as a criminal all those years. Even to the day he died. Itachi remained loyal to Konoha and fed them information to make sure the Akatsuki never had the upper hand. And in doing so, also protected Sasuke for years from Obito's grasp. This would obviously come as a psychological shock to Sasuke and there's basically two ways you can react to this scenario; In the Sasuke/Madara/Indra way, which is waging war on the cause of your grief or jealousy or the Naruto/Itachi/Rikudou way, and trying to relinquish the hatred and find another solution without having to spill blood. Killing Danzo as I said, wasn't particularly heinous, but his plot to destroy Konoha was a little dumbfounded given that only 3 people were the reason Itachi was so persecuted.

 

[Trúth]

Love your Itachi threads mate. I wish there was something more I could add, but you covered it all.​

 

[Chie]

Well that kind of leads me to an interesting question, do you think that sasuke's decision regarding destroying the leaf village and killing danzo were just and fair or a heinous crime???? I made a thread about it before but no one really answered and I'm curious about what people think because in this type of situation sasuke's role as the antagonist is debatable depending on a person's perspective.

Well, an antagonist is just a character that is against the protagonist. The protagonist is just the main character of the story. The major main character is Naruto, and destroying the village at that point (or any point) would be going against him. It's not debateable- Sasuke was an antagonist.

As far as it being just or not... I wouldn't say it's just or fair. Simply because everyone in Konoha is innocent bar 4 people (ie: Hiruzen/Danzo/Koharu/Homura).

The entire Uchiha clan was eliminated because they were planning the coup and any surviving members would take vengeance. (Though, I think this could have been averted by making an Uchiha- such as Shisui or Itachi Hokage officially, but it is what it is).

One also has to look at Sasuke's reasoning behind it. He wanted to kill them due to Itachi's sacrifice. It pained him to see them happy while Itachi suffered his entire life and died hated/always will be hated and later forgotten entirely. However, this is of no fault of the people living there. They don't know a thing. They're ignorant.

Sasuke would only have been justified had he decided to kill Danzo and the elders (Koharu/Homura) only. He'd be 100% in the right there and it would be fair, since those are the people involved.

 

[Transcendence]

Love your Itachi threads mate. I wish there was something more I could add, but you covered it all.​

Haha, Chie has a fangirl.

 

[Chie]

And she tries to say I'm more intelligent than her... Lol.

Immaculate thread Chie. I wish more people would analyze characters like you analyze Itachi. People always dumb down characters without analyzing the varying complexities rooted within the character. This is especially present in characters like Itachi, Kabuto, Sasuke etc. Who not only have the tragic back story but deal with moral conflicts based on these back stories (Kabuto and his identity, Itachi with like you said "the blood stains on his hands"). That's what makes them unique and easy to like because they're not cookie cutter characters. They're so much deeper than that.

Well, you are.

And thanks. And I agree with all of that. U_U

 

[Xlad]

Love your Itachi threads mate. I wish there was something more I could add, but you covered it all.​

Dat username.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

Thanks.

And that's not Shisui's belief. That's what Itachi learned through Shisui's actions. Lol

That's true, but the influence of Shisui's actions on Itachi does go to show just how much Itachi valued his friendship with him.

 

[Chie]

Dat username.

Bet you can't figure out who it really is. xd

 

[Transcendence]

Bet you can't figure out who it really is. xd

Hahaha, he just told me.