Hiashi Hyuuga can beat any NOT boosted/blessed/gifted by external source MS users

[Char Aznable]

Well...
By overral feats, hype and portrayal, Uchiha > Hyuugas. MS Users >> Hyuugas.

Well if Kishi hadn't spent 3/4 of Part 2 hyping the Uchiha to be the end all be of of clans; things would be different. Kaguya showed that gentle fist techniques can exploit MS techniques like Susanno.

Kishi fodderized Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi himself. Shisui's KA is an instant solo though.

 

[KCMNaruto]

I agree 97%

-Tsukiyomi< Byakugan penetrating sight (tenketsu sight) zero eye contact
-Amaterasu< Expanded Chakra dome
-Kamui close range < Full body burst which is a full body jyuken strike
-Kamui snipe < Byakugan insight+ Expanded chakra dome
-Susanoo< Wall palm blastin it with jyuuken chakra with enough force to sky rocket the juubi's tail, jyuuken>>chakra constructs, even danzo cleared a good portion with a vacuum air blast which cant compair to Wall palm.

-Kotoamatsukami>>Hiashi.

I agree with all of your point, except the last as I think this is debatable.

How does exactly Kotoamatsukami work then ? I guess it just attack your all body senses and enter through it somehow.
What if Hiashi is perfectly aware of all his chakra tenketsu and the moment foreign chakra enter it he use KAI to dispel it ?

Well...
By overral feats, hyoe and portrayal, Uchiha > Hyuugas. MS Users >> Hyuugas.

only due to much less feats from Hyuuga + lack of speed feats from Hyuuga, so most people can say Hyuuga are blitzed or can not react even if they have counters.

 

[neosmith500]

The hyuuga suck at Genjutsu.
2.5
Part one sakura was had a higher score, they don't survived itachi

So because they suck at genjutsu it means they are easily placed under its affects?
Tsukiyomi requires direct eye contact which any hyuga can avoid with penetrating sight, where is the interval for that when the hyuga is seein through the body an looking at the tenketsu??

Why would rotation amplify Ama when its not wind based?..The chakra dome used for the revolution of the tech is enough to flick Ama away more effectively than naruto did in VOTE2 since its wider an can expand.

Heck even this from a bady injured neji would stop Ama

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[neosmith500]

I agree with all of your point, except the last as I think this is debatable.

How does exactly Kotoamatsukami work then ?

Not exactly sure how it works but it requires zero eye contact an not much build as shown when it was used by the crow, which means it can instanly mind rape hiashi tho genjutsu is simply chakra invading the brain an jyuken>chakra i cant see hiashi bein aware that he's under KA before he dies, But its highly debatable.

Hyuga with their limited feats can already contend with the uchiha, give them equal feats an progress an they neg diff them with no trouble at all.

I made a thread about hyuga rightfully havin the potential to create they're own susano avatar by combining shape manipulation (Lion Fist) + Full body chakra exertion

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[KCMNaruto]

Not exactly sure how it works but it requires zero eye contact an not much build as shown when it was used by the crow, which means it can instanly mind rape hiashi tho genjutsu is simply chakra invading the brain an jyuken>chakra i cant see hiashi bein aware that he's under KA before he dies, But its highly debatable.

Hyuga with they're limited feats can already contend with the uchiha, give them equal feats an progress an they neg diff them with no trouble at all.

I made a thread about hyuga rightfully havin the potential to create they're own susano avatar by combining shape manipulation (Lion Fist) + Full body chakra exertion

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Yeah it would clearly work if they were more skilled with shape manipulation or rather preserve such shape.

Also I think their amount of chakra would not allowed them to create chakra warrior with so many layers, so it would be not as effective as Susanoo is.

About KA, Well I am not sure where but I read that if victim's will and intent about something is strong, then KA would not work.

I am sure I read it somewhere but can not remind myself where... ;/

 

[Haizaki]

Genjutsu isn't a problem. He can either close his eye lids which would prevent contact or he can push his head band to his eye level like how Kakashi does when he's covering his Sharingan.

Just like he does:

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[Kakooli]

Yeah and the databook pretty much confirms that Itachi can solo Hagoromo neg-diff.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Yeah and the databook pretty much confirms that Itachi can solo Hagoromo neg-diff.

spreading falsity and yet going off topic is neither healthy or helping you in any way.

If you have issue with yourself, then stay salty or deal with it yourself as man

 

[SeriousDogg]

I'm not even sure if he can even beat Hebi Sasuke lel.

 

[NSUNSR]

You are right about Amaterasu and Genjutsu. You are also mostly right about Susanoo, although V3 is very likely to be too much for Hiashi to handle. Also Hiashi isn't beating a kamui user. He won't be fast enough to react.

 

[Strict]

So your counters to half of the MS techniques are actually like "he avoids eye contact", "he keeps distance" etc.

The by far best analysis I ever read in my life.

 

[neosmith500]

Yeah it would clearly work if they were more skilled with shape manipulation;/

They dont need to any more skill in shape manipulation, Twin lion fist is one of the highest forms of chakra shape manipulation shown in the manga. The databook specifically states it requires the byakugan on top of the hyuga's high caliber chakra control to maintain as even slight weakness in control will disperse the jutsu.

Even the fillers hinata was able precisely shoot small bee's while tied up underwater usin chakra control to create small water bullets.
In his battle against kido neji showed the ability to cut the webs by turnin his chakra into blades without usin his hands an could even fill his blindspot usin chakra, why would extra layers be a prob? Their avatar could also solo other chakra avatars.

Hyuga are the oldest living clan are still a big part of genesis of chakra which fits their ability to stop it, their reserves could be as big as their cousins.

 

[Zealotic]

but it was already proved by manga that genjutsu doesn't work on Hyuuga, well it may just caught him as everyone else to be dispelled in same or next second.

Show me where it proves this.

 

[neosmith500]

V3 is very likely to be too much for Hiashi to handle. Also Hiashi isn't beating a kamui user. He won't be fast enough to react.

Wall palm is more than likely to bust v3 the same way it would bust its predecessors an hiashi is more than likely to do a quick palm thrust before it can react.

Kamui close range can be countered with byakugan's insight an a chakra dome covering the user

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Scale that to hiashi's level an obito wont be catching him as easy as he caught danzo's bodyguards.

Long range kamui is more troublesome but it still requires chakra build up which means hiashi can use this same tactic to counter since it would hav to get through the thick chakra first.

 

[KCMNaruto]

You are right about Amaterasu and Genjutsu. You are also mostly right about Susanoo, although V3 is very likely to be too much for Hiashi to handle. Also Hiashi isn't beating a kamui user. He won't be fast enough to react.

Thanks , well I am not sure as Danzo along with his summon almost made oppening in Susanoo v3

So your counters to half of the MS techniques are actually like "he avoids eye contact", "he keeps distance" etc.

The by far best analysis I ever read in my life.

selective reading and sarcasm, I clearly know that you pretend to be smart by this post.

 

[King Of Pop]

whats with the hiashi wank???

 

[Kagustuchi]

Im in a phone, so I can't provide a pertinent argument atm. Though I disagree that Hiashi is capable of beating any MS users honestly.

Though I'm still looking forward to Draegod slaying​

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[Unorthodox]

any kamui user stomps him MS Sasuke stomps Shisui stomps Itachi stomps

 

[KCMNaruto]

whats with the hiashi wank???

No wank, just stating pure facts, selective reading does not help you my friend.

Im in a phone, so I can't provide a pertinent argument atm. Though I disagree that Hiashi is capable of beating any MS users honestly.

Though I'm still looking forward to Draegod slaying​

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I look forward to them U_U

any kamui user stomps him MS Sasuke stomps Shisui stomps Itachi stomps

Everyone can express his own opinion, it is much harder to put reasons behind it U_U

 

[Unorthodox]

Everyone can express his own opinion, it is much harder to put reasons behind it U_U

Kamui snip or kamui warp GG KA controls his dumbass tsukuyomi 1 shots Kirin GG

also you keep talking about seeing chakra build up in the eye Sasuke's susanoo arrow already shot off was warped by kakashi who had 3 tomoe the chakra build up is almost non existent in combat people need to throw that shiity argument out the window