[Debate] America Best President? Is it obama?

[Aim64C]

A lot of it stems from hatred due to israel bombing of innocent civilians, hospitals (which is a war crime), and children. And especially since israel's occupation is illegal. You can't build settlements on occupied land. If I'm not mistaken that is illegal by international laws. And I think building barriers also conflicts with international laws.

Edit: Compare israel's attacks vs hamas attacks. Israel has an app to warn people of possible bombings. While Palestinians have nothing. Not only that but you remember that funding we were talking about? Israel has far better weapons than hamas. Yet they deliberately fire in densely populated areas as well.

Like I said.

So immersed in a culture that they will have to be forcibly removed from that culture in order to understand that another perspective is valid.

You do realize that there is no such thing as 'international law.' You also realize that the arabs in Gaza have no legitimate claim to the land. They are not descendants of the philistines - that group of people has been gone for a very long time.

Israel can do what it wants on its land. If they want to build a wall - they can build a wall (perhaps the arabs could stop blowing things up, and then there wouldn't be a need for a wall). If they want to build settlements - they can build settlements. We have a concept known as imminent domain in America that prevents the government from just doing whatever the hell it wants without fair market value compensation for forfeited property - but the not-palestinians have routinely refused to sit at the table and discuss the concept of property ownership and property rights within the nation of Israel.

IE - If the not-palestinians were to simply accept their place within Israel and have it worked out so that they could own property - then there wouldn't be an issue.

As for the bombings - Israel uses small (and expensive) charges that are dropped on the roof of a building prior to the delivery of primary ordnance. These small charges are meant specifically to clear people out of the house so that they are not reduced to partial remains.

This is necessitated because the not-palestinians are known to keep their wives, children, friends, and passers-by cooped up in houses that they know Israel is likely to bomb (this is also why they store rockets in U.N. provided schools and launch said rockets from the roof of hospitals, the playgrounds of schools, etc) - specifically so they can claim civilian casualties and brutality.

Frankly, that's more trouble than it's worth. I'd drive them all into the sea and be done with it.

 

[Ldude]

I don't think our -government- should be involved with funding other countries, foreign aid, etc.

That said, I believe our people should be very active in the rest of the world as businesses and citizens - and, to be quite honest, I believe the majority of them support Israel and have no issue with Israel.

In total agreement with this. Our government should be putting more money towards internal issues.

 

[Multiply]

@Aim64C; Are all of the things you're saying about Obama fact or simply conjecture? Pieces people have put together that don't even create a puzzle. It wouldn't be the first time I've seen something like that. Honestly though, Obama's far from the best President, but I think he's not quite the worst. If you have facts to back up your claim of Obama being the absolute worst, then I am all ears.

 

[Aim64C]

@Aim64C; Are all of the things you're saying about Obama fact or simply conjecture? Pieces people have put together that don't even create a puzzle. It wouldn't be the first time I've seen something like that. Honestly though, Obama's far from the best President, but I think he's not quite the worst. If you have facts to back up your claim of Obama being the absolute worst, then I am all ears.

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These include a lot of 'minor' ones that are what I consider to be water under the bridge - you know it's going to be there by virtue of where you are.

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These are some of the (at the time of its writing) most critical scandals.

[video=youtube;4cJ5aBxELVc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cJ5aBxELVc[/video]

These are 3 important ones going back to about 18 months ago with the AP press scandal (which is insanely important).

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- The President is not to release any detainees from Guantanamo without notifying Congress. This was not done.

- The President negotiated with terrorists in violation of U.S. laws and acts.

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"Washington (AFP) - The families of two journalists beheaded by Islamic State jihadists were both warned by US government officials they could face prosecution if they raised a ransom for their release."

Benghazi?

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This is what it was really about.

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They were arming rebels (who we now understand are affiliated with ISIS).

In order to cover this up, the order was given to -not- rescue anyone at the facility (those who did were in direct violation of orders from strategic command per secretary of state Clinton). Then, a youtube video was blamed and Youtube was actually issued a warning by the White House:

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The individual who produced the video was subsequently arrested for 'violating parole' by making that video:

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This is just the tip of the iceberg. I need to do other things, but I encourage you to start looking into what this administration is doing and has done.

 

[Funky Tiger]

gerg bush is the best eva, everybunny. obeezy sux

 

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These include a lot of 'minor' ones that are what I consider to be water under the bridge - you know it's going to be there by virtue of where you are.

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These are some of the (at the time of its writing) most critical scandals.

[video=youtube;4cJ5aBxELVc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cJ5aBxELVc[/video]

These are 3 important ones going back to about 18 months ago with the AP press scandal (which is insanely important).

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- The President is not to release any detainees from Guantanamo without notifying Congress. This was not done.

- The President negotiated with terrorists in violation of U.S. laws and acts.

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"Washington (AFP) - The families of two journalists beheaded by Islamic State jihadists were both warned by US government officials they could face prosecution if they raised a ransom for their release."

Benghazi?

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This is what it was really about.

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They were arming rebels (who we now understand are affiliated with ISIS).

In order to cover this up, the order was given to -not- rescue anyone at the facility (those who did were in direct violation of orders from strategic command per secretary of state Clinton). Then, a youtube video was blamed and Youtube was actually issued a warning by the White House:

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The individual who produced the video was subsequently arrested for 'violating parole' by making that video:

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This is just the tip of the iceberg. I need to do other things, but I encourage you to start looking into what this administration is doing and has done.

Thanks bro will check it out!

 

[Luther]

Obama brought the unemployment rate down to just 8 percent he brought the troops home and ended the way. Created obama care to help many out there and still he is called a bad president by the majority of americans and it pains me the reason why!!!

 

[Donald Trump]

Obama brought the unemployment rate down to just 8 percent he brought the troops home and ended the way. Created obama care to help many out there and still he is called a bad president by the majority of americans and it pains me the reason why!!!

Saying someone's several good deeds does not subtract from they overall appearance. For example, some people like that you bring up good topics on GD and have a nice avatar/sig, but it doesn't take away form the fact that people still think that you're a terrible mini-mod who does nothing but insight that African Americans are always undermined by Caucasians every time he posts.

 

[Aim64C]

Obama brought the unemployment rate down to just 8 percent

Really, he did?

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"Unemployment fell to 6.7 percent in December from 7 percent in November, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported on Friday. Unemployment has plunged from 7.5 percent in June and is way down from a high of 9.9 percent in 2010. All of which is good news.

But: One reason for the big drop in unemployment in December was that many, many people dropped out of the labor force -- 347,000, to be exact. They stopped looking for work, which made them no longer "unemployed" in the eyes of the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

This is the latest episode in what has been a fairly dramatic flight from the labor force since the Great Recession. The "labor-force participation rate," the percentage of working-age people who either have a job or want one, has tumbled to just 62.8 percent, the lowest since 1978. (Story continues below chart.)"

The Huffington Post is known to be on the liberal (Obama) side of things. They aren't under choking on Obama's phallus nearly like MSNBC is, but they will dip under the desk from time to time.

he brought the troops home and ended the way.

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" WASHINGTON — Secretary of State John Kerry said Tuesday that the Senate should not “bind the hands” of the president with a new war authorization that bars ground troops.

Kerry delivered the message to lawmakers as part of the Obama administration’s first detailed request for legislation setting the scope of military force used against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. He also asked that lawmakers allow targeting groups “associated” with the extremists and not limit operations geographically to those two countries."

Obama allowed ISIS to establish itself and wants the option to send the military back into a foreign war.

Since we're on foreign wars:

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"The White House reasoning, included in a 32-page report to Congress, is the administration’s first detailed response to complaints from lawmakers of both parties, who say President Obama has exceeded his authority as commander in chief by waging war in Libya without congressional authorization."

And how is that war going?

Well... there was Benghazi....

Now there's this:

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"The Libyan meltdown came after Obama intervened in a 2010 Libyan rebellion that began in the country’s east, which includes many jihadi sympathizers.

Obama used U.S. airpower to help the rebels — including Al Qaeda sympathizers — remove the resident dictator, Moammar Gadhafi in 2011.

Obama joined the rebellion even though Gadhafi had kept a lid on the country’s financial, clan and Islamic rivalries for decades. Gadhafi had also given up a nuclear-development program, and quietly aided U.S. anti-jihad efforts since 2003.

Obama expected the Libyan branch of the multinational Muslim Brotherhood group to establish a stable government and to absorb the al-Qaida style jihadis.

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Since then, the Brotherhood has been sidelined, although its leaders indicate sympathy with the jihadi groups, said the New York Times report.

Also, jihadi groups used weapons captured from Gadhafi’s Libyan army to supply militants in Syria and Gaza, and in several African countries, such as Algeria, Mali, Nigeria and the Central African Republic, which also have been torn apart by a Muslim-initiated civil war."

A ****ing train wreck.

That's how it's going.

Created obama care to help many out there

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"Why? Because there’s not much to say. And that’s even though, as insurance expert Robert Laszewski explained this week in USA Today, the administration has become a master at spinning the facts about Obamacare. The administration, for instance, “put a gag rule on insurance companies from talking about just how well the second version of HealthCare.gov is working,” which is probably a sign that it isn’t going as well as they hoped it would. It’s also “delayed the start of the 2015 open enrollment from last year’s October 1st start date to November 15th this year,” which is conveniently after the elections.

But that just means we need to docment the side effects of the law. A new Mercatus Center study, “The Affordable Care Act and the New Economics of Part-Time Work,” by University of Chicago’s Casey Mulligan looks at the law’s damage on labor markets. There are three major ways it discourages work: (1) an explicit tax on full-time work, (2) an implicit tax on full-time work for those who are ineligible for the ACA’s health-insurance subsidies, and (3) an implicit tax that links the amount of available subsidies to workers’ incomes. What’s the sum of these problems?

The health subsidies’ structure will put millions in a position in which working part-time (29 hours or less, as defined by the ACA) will yield more disposable income than working their normal full-time schedule. This creates a strong incentive to work less. He estimates these ACA disincentives will reduce work by about 3 percent, or about 4 million full-time-equivalent workers. This is the aggregate result of the law’s employment disincentives, and it’s nearly double the impact most recently estimated by the Congressional Budget Office.

Nearly half of American workers will be affected by at least one of the ACA’s employment taxes — and this does not account for the indirect effect on others as the labor market adjusts."

And then let's consider this:

[video=youtube;gwwWe4giHuw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwwWe4giHuw[/video]

This is from the hearing with Gruber - one of the men who worked closely with the Democrats in developing the framework for Obamacare.

You do understand what he is saying, right?

Save the government money by paying for the abortion of 'marginal children' (blacks represent a disproportionate amount of those in poverty compared to whites). Encourage "positive selection" - the idea that certain classes and types of people should be chosen for better healthcare coverage.

It also blatantly rations healthcare for the elderly and takes the decision of whether or not to continue treatment out of the hands of elderly and families.

Which is exactly what we told you it would do back when this bill was making rounds in the house and senate. Long before we had to "pass the bill to know what is in it."

Perhaps you should consider listening to those who know what even Obama does not about what Obama is going to do.

and still he is called a bad president by the majority of americans and it pains me the reason why!!!

Clearly, my only reasons are related to this:

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You caught me.

 

[Jin Hayami]

Harry S Truman
Woodrow Wilson

Woodrow Wilson sold us out to the Federal Reserve. He's out. Period.

In fact I'd say Jackson and Kennedy are up for nomination just for fighting that. Kennedy would have ended what Wilson started if he hadn't been assassinated six months after signing the executive order that would have ended the federal reserve.

My personal favorite was Teddy Roosevelt since he was an all around badass intent on making his country into a super power.

 

[Retro Chaos]

Obama brought the unemployment rate down to just 8 percent he brought the troops home and ended the way. Created obama care to help many out there and still he is called a bad president by the majority of americans and it pains me the reason why!!!

How can he be called bad by the 'majority', yet get the votes to serve two terms? Do you have quantitative evidence which suggests that Obama is criticised as such?

Regardless of how he is perceived, do you seriously think that those achievements you have listed are worthy of him being titled as the best president? If so, you really should study American history.

 

[YowYan]

Obama brought the unemployment rate down to just 8 percent he brought the troops home and ended the way. Created obama care to help many out there and still he is called a bad president by the majority of americans and it pains me the reason why!!!

You're trolling, right? ._.

 

[V h o]

Can't really say, I need to do research on other presidents to give you a more concrete answer. Although he has won 1-2 nobel peace prizes while I believe he is popular with the foreign powers, albeit a lot of the internal issues in America are almost the same barring health care. Then again I believe the government is sort of split in favor of the opposite party than the president so that is probably going to slow progress also. Either or his presidency is almost over.