I was thinking about the Rinnegan and it seems heavily implied Hagoromo's was formed from he being born with a combination of the nine tomoe eye and byakugan's power from Kaguya. So, using this logic, if Madara had found the Hyuuga who was the reincarnation of Hamura's child who inherited his Byakugan, and transplanted his/her eye,
This also leads into my theory that Hashirama manifested Mokuton and defeated Madara with it without the two having a stalemate because he had mastered all forms of senjutsu, and thus obtained Hagoromo's full Yang while Madara's Yin was still incomplete on account that he didn't have the Byakugan's power. Sasuke however obtained a direct blessing from Hagoromo and obtained his (seemingly different) Rinnegan that way.
I also have a theory that the Byakugan is dormant in all the Senju.
What implies that Hagoromo's Rinnegan=Rinne Sharingan+Byakugan? Rinne Sharingan=Rinnegan+Sharingan. Hagoromo merely obtained a diluted version of that eye, just the Rinnegan. So no, taking a Byakugan isn't going to let him obtain the Rinnegan since Rinnegan and Byakugan are not related. And if Hagoromo's Rinnegan=Rinne Sharingan+Byakugan, why would Madara getting a Byakugan make his EMS become Rinnegan? Not sure where the correlation is. Uh, no. Senju aren't descended from Hamura, so....no.
Kaguya possessed both sharingan and byakugan and at the start of the series, Kakashi stated the two likely originated together. Hagoromo, Kaguya's son was born with the Rinnegan, which possesses the chakra network sight of the byakugan, as well as its deactivated purple color, is tomoeless and regarded as the highest of the three doujutsu. Furthermore, he is Hamura's twin brother and thus of the same genome.
Don't make superficial generalizations without supporting yourself.
Yes, Hagoromo and Hamura are both sons of Kaguya, but that doesn't mean that a decendant from Hamura would be able to get the RinneganDoes not mean that Sharingan + Byakugan = Rinnegan either.
Lets take Indra and Ashura for example. Decendants of Ahura have strong bodys and decendants of Indra have the Sharingan.
If I told you that I belive a desendant from Ashura could be born with a Sharingan, would that sound plausible to you?
The Rinnegan is just a diluted form of the Tomoed Rinnegan. If it was a combination of Rinnegan and Byakugan it would be insane.
just imagine each of the six paths of Pain with a 360 vision and the ability to block chakra points, or do a rotation.
The Rinnegan can only be obtained in two ways.
Combine Ashura's and Indra's chakra, wich makes Hagoromo's chakra = Rinnegan
Or have Hagoromo give you one.
Byakugan has nothing to do with Rinnegan.
Even Kaguya had them apart.
That was because Madara was the one who cast it and had the double Rinnegan, which everyone's eyes showed, not the nine tome.
the nine tomoe eye did not possess the six paths and Hagoromo used sharingan in that sentence, not Rinnegan or Rinnesharingan, which is a none-canon urban suffix anyway.
Garbage. The eight trigrams seal is a yin and yang and byakugan specializes in seeing all forms of chakra and matter, as well as granting physical strength and speed, possessing its own taijutsu form and exhibiting chakra from the wielders physical tenketsu and using it to seal an opponent's tenketsu. Much like the Rinnegan, and unlike the sharingan it isn't just a spiritual doujutsu and is far more derivative of yang/physical chakra.
Sorry, but there is a bigger case that the Rinnegan is a combo of the nine tomoe eye and byakugan. It has the base byakugan's color, no tomoes and sees chakra networks while also being able to control them through avatars with gedo rods.
Please put film spoilers in tags..Until I see the film, I won't be discussing it so you may as well throw that out the window.
With no basis. I wasn't referring to any byakugan, but the one of the reincarnation of Hamura's child if there was ever intended to be one.
Madara is the reincarnation of an ootsutsuki. Ao is not. Drop Ao altogether please lols. He has no relevance in this discussion.
And my belief is that the byakugan is part of the Rinnegan and that the Senju's have it dormant in them.
Now, unless you can find any sufficient data to debunk this theory, I suggest you move along because I get tired of repeating myself over and over quickly, what's more reading comments describing things about the series I already know inside and out lols.
Madara cast it with the eye on his forehead as the moon also reflected this so everyone having the Rinnegan as they were under the genjutsu was how Kishi made it, Madara was talking about the third eye shortly before using IT and Kaguya also used IT but do you think Byakugan's showed in their eyes or the Rinnegan? The 9 tomoes eye didn't show the six paths? But wasn't Kaguya using Pretha path to absorb Sasuke's Amaterasu? Also Kaguya wasn't really using much jutsus at all and her eye is the only one that can change dimensions as she does and that's a big jutsu when comparing jutsus like Limbo or Sasuke's teleporting jutsu.
You do know the gentle fist isn't a special ability granted to the Byakugan as Amaterasu is with MS. It's a taijutsu they developed using the Byakugan's strengths and yang is life energy that works on jutsus like Choji's clan jutsus. 64 palm is a taijutsu style where the Hyuuga can hit the enemy's chakra point. Gentle fist only , just because it shows the yin yang sign, that could signify them having balance as we saw Hinata using it but being Shakey at it. Chakra points are as small as the tip of a needle so they would be forming chakra blades from their finger while using 64 palm. Yin chakra allow Shikamaru shadow to become whip-like and Choji's yang chakra allows him to grow his body parts.
Byakugan never said or shown to grant speed and strength as far as I remember. The Senjus have the Sage's body while the Uchihas have the Sage's eyes so if they were to get byakugan power past down to Hagoromo's decendants then the Uchiha's would have both doujutsus. Sharingan sees chakra so the complete eye having better chakra seeing ability isn't hard to see happen. I didn't see the film either, there were threads and mention of it on saiyanisland about Toneri kidnapping Hanabi for her eyes.
I can say no basis for you as well, I listed a few possibilities as you did saying if Madara got the Byakugan from Hamura incarnation if there was one but there were only incarnations of Ashura and Indra because they would fight each other throughout time where as Hamura would need a reason to do just that. So saying he would have incarnations is based on nothing when Hagoromo not having one either. Being an incarnation doesn't mean you have their abilities, he might be an incarnation of Indra but he's not Indra, that's why he became Juubi Jin to get close to Hagoromo's and Kaguya's power. Kaguya got her third eye from the Juubi and Hagoromo got a lesser version of that eye and so did Indra; both Hamura and Hagoromo look to both have half thier mom's power but both have eye and body powers but different types of power.
I don't need proof to debunk a theory, you need proof to prove it being a possibility. If the Byakugan is part of the Rinnegan then the needed materials to gain the Rinnegan would include Hyuuga but it doesn't. The Uchihas would have gotten Sharingans and Byakugans then either stay together or break apart into 2 clans then become distance relatives like Senjus and Uzumakis. Uchihas had Yin, spiritual energy and powerful chakra, while Senjus had yang chakra, Lifeforce and physical energy. So if the Byakugan was yin yang as you think it is then combining Uchiha and Senju would give you Byakugan would it not? None of the Senjus awakened doujutsus because they have the Yang chakra (sage body) and Ashura incarnations need Indra's chakra to gain Rinnegan just as Madara needed it since Ashura+Indra chakra=Hagoromo's chakra which awakens the Rinnegan.
Irrelevant. We've seen who inherited what, and he didn't inherit the Byakugan nor did any of his descendants. So this theory makes no sense at all. Give it up.
Don't make superficial generalizations without supporting yourself.
When it comes to my theory, If I use that as evidence that the Rinnegan is a combination of both and the sharingan is a degraded version where the byakugan was removed, it is not false.
If I negged your stupid, trollish ass, would that be irrelevant? Lols. Validate it or leave, jackass. the eye color and the lack of tomoes for both sets of eyes are the same.
If he is of the same genome, he is essentially the same person and the genetic material doesn't just "disappear" or become "irrelevant" to convenience your dumb ass.
Cause purple and white are definitely the same color...lmao, can't make a theory, you make up evidence, and now you are apparently colorblind? Lol, retarded ass.
If I negged your stupid, trollish ass, would that be irrelevant? Lols. Validate it or leave, jackass. the eye color and the lack of tomoes for both sets of eyes are the same.
Lack of Tomoe=/=Related eye. Byakugan is already proven to not come from the Sharingan or the Rinnegan or vice versa. You have no argument. Stop posting, you make yourself look stupider and stupider the more you post.
White=/=Purple.
I'm waiting for you to validate most of the bullshit in your OP. Learn what the burden of proof is pal. 3rd person I've had to tell this shit to this week.
If he is of the same genome, he is essentially the same person and the genetic material doesn't just "disappear" or become "irrelevant" to convenience your dumb ass.
Like I said. Manga shows Hamura got Byakugan and Hagoromo got Rinnegan. Byakugan, or anything related to the Byakugan never once surfaced in Hagoromo or his descendants, unlike the Sharingan (proven to be related to the Rinnegan) which surfaced in Hagoromo's son, and then the Uchiha.
I'll go with the manga over your nonsensical bullshit any day.
Yes, and Rinnegan has the properties and the genetic material of the byakugan.
Uh, no, it doesn't. It has no property of the Byakugan besides chakra sight, and even then that isn't the same. Genetic material? Still pulling shit out of your ass I see.
Woo! We got a badass here! No, I think I'll stick with it since it's pretty solid and you have zilch to debunk it.
Coming from the guy who makes claims like "Rinnegan has Byakugan's genetic material" and "Byakugan and Rinnegan are the same color", this doesn't mean much.
Lets take Indra and Ashura for example. Decendants of Ahura have strong bodys and decendants of Indra have the Sharingan. If I told you that I belive a desendant from Ashura could be born with a Sharingan, would that sound plausible to you?
The Rinnegan is insane lols. It absorbs all jutsus including Kekkei Genki, turned your body into a weapon with particle guns and missiles, sucks your life force out, summons the god of the underworld, multiple animals more powerful than the sannin summons, and controls the concussive forces of the universe, able to push people forward and backward, create satellites and summon meteors from space. Are we even reading the same manga? Lols.
There is no such thing as a tomoed Rinnegan. Kaguya's eye is neither a Rinnegan or a Rinnesharingan. It's the original sharingan lols. Rinnesharingan is an urban suffix created by the fandom and the nine tomoe eye does not use any of the six path techniques.
The Rinnegan can only be obtained in two ways.
Combine Ashura's and Indra's chakra, wich makes Hagoromo's chakra = Rinnegan
Or have Hagoromo give you one.
Because Rinnegan came from a combination of her powers and her middle eye is not Rinnegan. It's a nine tomoe sharingan. It's red with black tomoes and casts a super genjutsu as well as teleports her like Kamui.
Also Kaguya wasn't really using much jutsus at all and her eye is the only one that can change dimensions as she does and that's a big jutsu when comparing jutsus like Limbo or Sasuke's teleporting jutsu.
We saw all that Kaguya could do. She brought the battle to sudden death after Black Zetsu persuaded her to do so. Changing dimensions only further relates to the sharingan, considering Kamui and Izanagi.
Life force=/=physical energy. The Byakugan's vision and tenketsu are utilized through taijutsu and Yang because that is what it encompasses lols. Another ability of it is to insert chakra into the body and damage the opponents organs. Yet another physical ability.
Which they can only see with the byakugan, which they can only perform with the byakugan, and which was likely developed through the use of the byakugan because it is the clan's kekkei genki.
The Senjus have the Sage's body while the Uchihas have the Sage's eyes so if they were to get byakugan power past down to Hagoromo's decendants then the Uchiha's would have both doujutsus.
If you believe Byakugan is solely Yin, yes, but I do not, and I believe it is dormant in the Senjus. The sharingan itself starts off dormant as well and Naruto's children aren't exhibiting byakugan even though their mother is a pure blooded hyuuga.
I can say no basis for you as well, I listed a few possibilities as you did saying if Madara got the Byakugan from Hamura incarnation if there was one but there were only incarnations of Ashura and Indra because they would fight each other throughout time where as Hamura would need a reason to do just that. So saying he would have incarnations is based on nothing when Hagoromo not having one either.
Part of my theory delves into the possibility of the byakugan's lore being cut from the manga. I never said there was a one-hundred percent possibility Hamura's descendants would have reincarnations, but being that Hagoromo's sons did and we don't know who Hamura's descendants are, I'd say it's a possibility, or at least was originally. Don't take things so literally.
I didn't say Hyuuga, I said the reincarnation of Hamura's offspring, which follows the Ashura and Indra concept. Naruto doesn't appear to be Senju, or at least pure Senju, but he is still Ashura's reincarnation.
The Uchihas would have gotten Sharingans and Byakugans then either stay together or break apart into 2 clans then become distance relatives like Senjus and Uzumakis.
No basis for the bold because the byakugan is a completely different doujutsu from the sharingan that utilizes taijutsu and specializes in physical chakra, which is the anti-thesis to sharingan.
Uchihas had Yin, spiritual energy and powerful chakra, while Senjus had yang chakra, Lifeforce and physical energy. So if the Byakugan was yin yang as you think it is then combining Uchiha and Senju would give you Byakugan would it not?
No, that isn't part of my theory, but it does sound somewhat intriguing lols.
Technically, everyone has Yin and Yang, they just possess different affinities and degrees of each. While the sharingan mostly uses spirit energy with a little physical energy, I believe Byakugan uses mostly physical energy and a little spirit energy. Is that really so difficult to understand?
I showed plenty of evidence. It's not my problem you go around conveniently saying anything you subjectively disagree with is irrelevant without equally supporting your claim. Get over yourself lols.
Really? Are you certain the Byakugan came from eating the fruit rather than Kaguya already possessing it? Was it ever once stated the two doujutsu were never one?
You're the one calling irrefutable evidence irrelevant without even attempting to debunk it and you believe you possess the luxury to call me a dumbass? Lol someone sure lives in a fantasy world.
It doesn't matter if they are the exact same or not. They both see chakra networks and sharingan does not, much the same as the nine tomoe eye did not. Deal with that.
Right, I made up the fact that Byakugan and Rinnegan are the same color, that neither possess tomoe, that both see chakra networks, that both use physical jutsus and chakras, that both are always visible, and that Byakugan came from Hagoromo's mother and is present in his twin brother. Yes, seven black and white facts completely all made up.
Did I make you angry, xxSage? Lols. Are you really so insecure that you must resort to snark and baseless statements rather than objectivity and evidence? Clearly I'm not the one who is blind.
I'm not your pal and at least I've actually given evidence lols. All you've done the entire time is insult me, which speaks fathoms of your low degree of intelligence and one-dimensional personality. Uh oh, did I strike a nerve again? Lols.
And this is the reason I developed the theory that it is dormant in the Senju (if you actually fully read and interpreted my op) being that the Senju kept to developing only their Yang and Senjutsu rather than their Yin.
Even though the manga has been retconned several times? Lols. The manga supports me bro, not you. You may recall, I was the one using reference from it, not your imaginary friend. Lols.
If it is nonsensical, where is the purpose in becoming aggressive about it?
Uh, no, it doesn't. It has no property of the Byakugan besides chakra sight, and even then that isn't the same. Genetic material? Still pulling shit out of your ass I see.
1. Has chakra network vision. Nine tomoe eye and sharingan do not.
2. Has purple color like base byakugan.
3. Has no tomoes like byakugan
4. Rinnegan has physical techniques like Byakugan. (Outer path, Asura path, Human path, gedo rods, etc.)
5. Byakugan came from Kaguya's mother.
6. Hamura is Hagoromo paternal twin, thus they share the same genome.
