Madara could have unlocked Rinnegan without taking Hashirama's chakra/DNA?

[SkyGodHorus]

We all know Byakugan is the most mysterious doujutsu and the least elaborated. With this, many believe Kishimoto originally intended for it to play a larger role in the plot like the sharingan, but that something changed his mind.

I was thinking about the Rinnegan and it seems heavily implied Hagoromo's was formed from he being born with a combination of the nine tomoe eye and byakugan's power from Kaguya.

Kaguya possessed both sharingan and byakugan and at the start of the series, Kakashi stated the two likely originated together. Hagoromo, Kaguya's son was born with the Rinnegan, which possesses the chakra network sight of the byakugan, as well as it's deactivated purple color with no tomoes and is regarded as the highest of the three doujutsus. Furthermore, Hagoromo is Hamura's twin brother, thus the two share the same genome.

Using this logic, if Madara had found the Hyuuga who was the reincarnation of Hamura's child who inherited his Byakugan, and transplanted his/her eye, do you believe he still could have manifested the Rinnegan, possibly immediately actually just like his EMS rather than waiting for sixty years?

This also leads into my theory that Hashirama manifested Mokuton and defeated Madara with it without the two having a stalemate because he had mastered all forms of senjutsu, and thus obtained Hagoromo's full Yang while Madara's Yin was still incomplete on account that he didn't have the Byakugan's power. Sasuke however obtained a direct blessing from Hagoromo and obtained his (seemingly different) Rinnegan that way.

I also have a theory that the Byakugan is dormant in all the Senju.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I think the most, he will getting Indra type of rinnegan and not real rinnegan

 

[Zealotic]

No I don't think it works that way

 

[SkyGodHorus]

No I don't think it works that way

A pity you can't validate it, much as you couldn't validate that Itachi's weapons are invulnerable. What is the emote for, by the way? Is something wrong, Zealot?

 

[Zealotic]

A pity you can't validate it, much as you couldn't validate that Itachi's weapons are invulnerable. What is the emote for, by the way? Is something wrong, Zealot?

No I can't validate or confirm this theory of yours. Yes Itachi weapons are invincible. is this one better ->Lol

 

[SkyGodHorus]

No I can't validate or confirm this theory of yours.

Learn to read and comprehend. I was referring to you validating your belief that my theory does not work.

Yes Itachi weapons are invincible. is this one better ->Lol

No, because like before as well as your previous statement, you cannot validate it. Are you going to try to get the last word for the next hour now?

 

[Zealotic]

Learn to read and comprehend.

A lot of better ways you could have worded that lel

I was referring to you validating your belief that my theory does not work.

Alright fine U_U
For your theory to work we would have to assume there is/ever was a hyuga clan reincarnation, then you have to assume this byakugan would be different from the others and kishi hasn't hinted other byakugan forms. The rest is a stretch transplanting a byakugan will just give him a byakugan.

No, because like before as well as your previous statement, you cannot validate it.

Yes the manga already validates that.

Are you going to try to get the last word for the next hour now?

Lol

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Alright fine U_U
For your theory to work we would have to assume there is/ever was a hyuga clan reincarnation, then you have to assume this byakugan would be different from the others and kishi hasn't hinted other byakugan forms.

There, now was that so hard, Zealot? Of course not, because people are easily controlled.

Because you assume there never was, correct? Well, I don't claim I have proof there was. On the other hand, The Last is about the Hyuugas and Toneri kidnapping I believe Hinata and her sister for obvious reasons, so, there's some speculation there, though I haven't seen the film or read its translations yet.

The rest is a stretch transplanting a byakugan will just give him a byakugan.

Really? So then his sharingan powers will just disappear then, even though they didn't when he transplanted Izuna's eyes and Hashirama's flesh? And do I really need to explain how the Byakugan fits with the Rinnegan and sharingan? Kaguya possessed both sharingan and byakugan and at the start of the series, Kakashi stated the two likely originated together. Hagoromo, Kaguya's son was born with the Rinnegan, which possesses the chakra network sight of the byakugan, as well as it's deactivated purple color and is regarded as the highest of the three doujutsus. Do the math?

Yes the manga already validates that.

We've had this discussion, and I proved to you that it doesn't. As a result, you dropped your argument. We are not doing it again in this thread or ever.

Lol

Okay, I can play this pre-school game with you again. Keep it up and see where it lands you. You're just a common troll after all.

 

[Zealotic]

There, now was that so hard, Zealot? Of course not, because people are easily controlled.

lol wut?

Because you assume there never was, correct? Well, I don't claim I have proof there was. On the other hand, The Last is about the Hyuugas and Toneri kidnapping I believe Hinata and her sister for obvious reasons, so, there's some speculation there, though I haven't seen the film or read its translations yet.

Madara is the Indra Rein (Uchiha) and the Asura Rein needs to be a Senju or Uzumaki descendant. The Hyuga Clan would have more to do with Hamura's side.

Really? So then his sharingan powers will just disappear then, even though they didn't when he transplanted Izuna's eyes and Hashirama's flesh? And do I really need to explain how the Byakugan fits with the Rinnegan and sharingan? Kaguya possessed both sharingan and byakugan and at the start of the series, Kakashi stated the two likely originated together. Hagoromo, Kaguya's son was born with the Rinnegan, which possesses the chakra network sight of the byakugan, as well as it's deactivated purple color and is regarded as the highest of the three doujutsus. Do the math?

I never said his powers would disappear I said he would be able to uses the byakugan....

We've had this discussion, and I proved to you that it doesn't. As a result, you dropped your argument. We are not doing it again in this thread or ever.

I never dropped my argument.

Okay, I can play this pre-school game with you again. Keep it up and see where it lands you. You're just a common troll after all.

lel

 

[SkyGodHorus]

lol wut?

Hm? What?

Madara is the Indra Rein (Uchiha) and the Asura Rein needs to be a Senju or Uzumaki descendant. The Hyuga Clan would have more to do with Hamura's side.

Hamura came from Kaguya as well and is Hagoromo's paternal twin who shares the same chakra and genome lols.

I never said his powers would disappear I said he would be able to uses the byakugan....

transplanting a byakugan will just give him a byakugan.

I never dropped my argument.

No, you just never responded again or accepted or debunked the data that debunked yours lols. Is that clearer?

lel

Yes, you're a troll. And?

 

[Zealotic]

Hamura came from Kaguya as well and is Hagoromo's paternal twin who shares the same chakra and genome lols.

Yes but all of the decents / transmigrants have be related to Indra and Asura who are sons of Hagoromo. Hamura and him are related but nothing has hinted that the byakugan has anything to do with that specific process.

No, you just never responded again or accepted or debunked the data that debunked yours lols. Is that clearer?

Yes i responded you never disproved what OP was saying. Which was all I was talking about.

Yes, you're a troll. And?

Is that what I am now Lol

 

[xxSAGExx]

Doubt it, Hagoromo's Rinnegan came from the Shar-Rinnegan on Kaguya's forehead while Hamura got his mom's Byakugan. I highly doubt Senjus have domain Byakugans, that was given to Hamura not Hagoromo like Ashura and Indra got certain powers from their dad. Only 2 ways to awaken the Rinnegan, be a incarnation of Ashura or Indra and having both of their chakra or being given Hagoromo's chakra directly himself.

If Magara took the Byakugan then he would either gotten a new hybrid doujutsu, nothing happens and he only have the Byakugan like Ao, or it cause a bad side effect.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Hamura and him are related

Thanks, that's all I need from you.

nothing has hinted that the byakugan has anything to do with that specific process.

Except the many properties that the Rinnegan and Byakugan share and the fact that Hagoromo was born from a Byakugan wielder and twin to one who was born with it.

Doubt it, Hagoromo's Rinnegan came from the Shar-Rinnegan on Kaguya's forehead

The nine tomoe eye is not a Rinnegan and there's no such thing as a sharinnegan or a Rinnesharingan. They are urban suffixes created by the fandom.

while Hamura got his mom's Byakugan. I highly doubt Senjus have domain Byakugans, that was given to Hamura not Hagoromo like Ashura and Indra got certain powers from their dad. Only 2 ways to awaken the Rinnegan, be a incarnation of Ashura or Indra and having both of their chakra or being given Hagoromo's chakra directly himself.

So the Rinnegan having the same color as the Byakugan's deactivated form, as well as being visible at all times like the byakugan, not possessing tomoes like the byakugan, Hagoromo being born from someone with the Byakugan, Hagoromo being the same genome as Hamura, the Byakugan using physical chakra and taijutsu like the Rinnegan and the senju rather than just spiritual chakra like the sharingan are all just coincidence, hm?

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If Magara took the Byakugan then he would either gotten a new hybrid doujutsu,

No basis.

nothing happens and he only have the Byakugan like Ao,

So his sharingan just disappears then? Ao did not manifest the byakugan. He took it from a hyuuga he killed.

or it cause a bad side effect.

Such as the Rinnegan.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Thanks, that's all I need from you.



Except the many properties that the Rinnegan and Byakugan share and the fact that Hagoromo was born from a Byakugan wielder and twin to one who was born with it.



The nine tomoe eye is not a Rinnegan and there's no such thing as a sharinnegan or a Rinnesharingan. They are urban suffixes created by the fandom.



So the Rinnegan having the same color as the Byakugan's deactivated form, as well as being visible at all times like the byakugan, not possessing tomoes like the byakugan, Hagoromo being born from someone with the Byakugan, Hagoromo being the same genome as Hamura, the Byakugan using physical chakra and taijutsu like the Rinnegan and the senju rather than just spiritual chakra like the sharingan are all just coincidence, hm?

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No basis.



So his sharingan just disappears then? Ao did not manifest the byakugan. He took it from a hyuuga he killed.



Such as the Rinnegan.

Yes it is, IT is a Rinnegan jutsu as Sasuke said only a Rinnegan might be able to break another Rinnegan genjutsu. If it want the Sharingan then why did Hagoromo say she had the Sharingan power? So we have the eye on the forehead referred to both Rinnegan and Sharingan so what do you call an eye that has both eye powers? Byakugan uses spiritual energy not physical energy. The power of the Rinnegan came from the eye on Kaguya's forehead and Hagoromo's kid, Indra, power came from that same eye to get the Sharingan power. Just like Ashura and Indra got half their dad's power/abilities, Hamura kid(s) could have done the same; why else would Tomeri need the Byakugan as Hagoromo's kid need the others ability to get the Rinnegan.

If he takes out his Sharibgan to put in the Byakugan then yeah he may not have the Sharingan as I said it was one of a few possibilities. Never said Ao did, you do know Kakashi does not manifest the Sharingan right? Madara putting the eye in can be like Ao, Kakashi, and Danzo transferring eye. The Rinnegan isn't a bad side effect, it's what you get by having both Ashura and Indra chakra to have Sage chakra; it's the complete form of the Doujutsu that the Sharingan came from

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Yes it is, IT is a Rinnegan jutsu as Sasuke said only a Rinnegan might be able to break another Rinnegan genjutsu.

That was because Madara was the one who cast it and had the double Rinnegan, which everyone's eyes showed, not the nine tome.

If it want the Sharingan then why did Hagoromo say she had the Sharingan power? So we have the eye on the forehead referred to both Rinnegan and Sharingan so what do you call an eye that has both eye powers?

the nine tomoe eye did not possess the six paths and Hagoromo used sharingan in that sentence, not Rinnegan or Rinnesharingan, which is a none-canon urban suffix anyway.

Byakugan uses spiritual energy not physical energy.

Garbage. The eight trigrams seal is a yin and yang and byakugan specializes in seeing all forms of chakra and matter, as well as granting physical strength and speed, possessing its own taijutsu form and exhibiting chakra from the wielders physical tenketsu and using it to seal an opponent's tenketsu. Much like the Rinnegan, and unlike the sharingan it isn't just a spiritual doujutsu and is far more derivative of yang/physical chakra.

Sorry, but there is a bigger case that the Rinnegan is a combo of the nine tomoe eye and byakugan. It has the base byakugan's color, no tomoes and sees chakra networks while also being able to control them through avatars with gedo rods.

Just like Ashura and Indra got half their dad's power/abilities, Hamura kid(s) could have done the same; why else would Tomeri need the Byakugan as Hagoromo's kid need the others ability to get the Rinnegan.

Please put film spoilers in tags..Until I see the film, I won't be discussing it so you may as well throw that out the window.

If he takes out his Sharibgan to put in the Byakugan then yeah he may not have the Sharingan as I said it was one of a few possibilities.

With no basis. I wasn't referring to any byakugan, but the one of the reincarnation of Hamura's child if there was ever intended to be one.

Never said Ao did, you do know Kakashi does not manifest the Sharingan right? Madara putting the eye in can be like Ao,

Madara is the reincarnation of an ootsutsuki. Ao is not. Drop Ao altogether please lols. He has no relevance in this discussion.

Kakashi, and Danzo transferring eye. The Rinnegan isn't a bad side effect, it's what you get by having both Ashura and Indra chakra to have Sage chakra; it's the complete form of the Doujutsu that the Sharingan came from

And my belief is that the byakugan is part of the Rinnegan and that the Senju's have it dormant in them.

Now, unless you can find any sufficient data to debunk this theory, I suggest you move along because I get tired of repeating myself over and over quickly, what's more reading comments describing things about the series I already know inside and out lols.

 

[Demonic.]

I don't even think Kishi thought about this as much as you are

 

[Seventh Sama]

Doubt it, Hagoromo's Rinnegan came from the Shar-Rinnegan on Kaguya's forehead while Hamura got his mom's Byakugan. I highly doubt Senjus have domain Byakugans, that was given to Hamura not Hagoromo like Ashura and Indra got certain powers from their dad. Only 2 ways to awaken the Rinnegan, be a incarnation of Ashura or Indra and having both of their chakra or being given Hagoromo's chakra directly himself.

If Magara took the Byakugan then he would either gotten a new hybrid doujutsu, nothing happens and he only have the Byakugan like Ao, or it cause a bad side effect.

The top paragraph is right and before Horus saids the rinnesharingan is a made up word. I had a translator look in the databook and find that it is named that.
Proof.

Yes. On page 230, they explain what RinneSharingan is.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

I don't even think Kishi thought about this as much as you are

I think he did, but just discarded lots of concepts concerning the hyuuga and byakugan.

The top paragraph is right and before Horus saids the rinnesharingan is a made up word. I had a translator look in the databook and find that it is named that.
Proof.

That's not proof. That's his and your word lols.

The official translations have it in quotations, indicating it's referring to the urban suffix that had long already been used.

 

[Seventh Sama]

I think he did, but just discarded lots of concepts concerning the hyuuga and byakugan.



That's not proof. That's his and your word lols.

The official translations have it in quotations, indicating it's referring to the urban suffix that had long already been used.

Can you understand japanese then? Christ, You're so stubborn. :|

 

[KidGamer65]

We all know Byakugan is the most mysterious doujutsu and the least elaborated. With this, many believe Kishimoto originally intended for it to play a larger role in the plot like the sharingan, but that something changed his mind.

I was thinking about the Rinnegan and it seems heavily implied Hagoromo's was formed from he being born with a combination of the nine tomoe eye and byakugan's power from Kaguya. So, using this logic, if Madara had found the Hyuuga who was the reincarnation of Hamura's child who inherited his Byakugan, and transplanted his/her eye, do you believe he still could have manifested the Rinnegan, possibly immediately actually just like his EMS rather than waiting for sixty years?

What implies that Hagoromo's Rinnegan=Rinne Sharingan+Byakugan? Rinne Sharingan=Rinnegan+Sharingan. Hagoromo merely obtained a diluted version of that eye, just the Rinnegan. So no, taking a Byakugan isn't going to let him obtain the Rinnegan since Rinnegan and Byakugan are not related. And if Hagoromo's Rinnegan=Rinne Sharingan+Byakugan, why would Madara getting a Byakugan make his EMS become Rinnegan? Not sure where the correlation is.

This also leads into my theory that Hashirama manifested Mokuton and defeated Madara with it without the two having a stalemate because he had mastered all forms of senjutsu, and thus obtained Hagoromo's full Yang while Madara's Yin was still incomplete on account that he didn't have the Byakugan's power. Sasuke however obtained a direct blessing from Hagoromo and obtained his (seemingly different) Rinnegan that way.

Lol, if he got Hagoromo's Yang he'd be much stronger than he was shown to be.

I also have a theory that the Byakugan is dormant in all the Senju.

Uh, no. Senju aren't descended from Hamura, so....no.