Shameful retcon

[Punk Hazard]

Lol, beware you might get banned for this

No he's not. Stop spreading BS.

 

[To Whatever]

OP. if you can't handle this retcon.

Don't read Marvel or Dc comics.

You'd be in tears.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

In your case you were reading the wrong one to begin with. If you cannot understand it first time around and have no patience to read it a second time either you should just pick something else. Preferably shorter and with more words to suit you better.

Of course if you think you can make a career out of sporking Naruto then none can convince you otherwise.

Why are you bringing that up here?

 

[Avani 👑]

OP. if you can't handle this retcon.

Don't read Marvel or Dc comics.

You'd be in tears.

lol People read a serialized manga, 15 year long at that, and treat it as a final version of completed book published after being edited, re-edited and beta-ed before reaching the printing press.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I still want to see a panel where Naruto said that destiny, as a whole, is a load of crap. You said it yourself person with Sarada avatar, Neji believed that people who born losers will always be losers. Naruto was born a loser. But he worked hard, and was able to change into someone powerful, which means what Naruto said was right and Neji was wrong, because, according to Neji, Naruto should have been a weakling his entire life. It was Naruto's destiny to work hard and be deemed worthy by Ashura. Where is the contradiction to part one? If Naruto didn't work hard, he wouldn't have been Ashura's transmigrant. Therefore, the value of hard work that was established in the part one still exists. Hagoromo said it himself, because Ashura worked hard with others, he was able to achieve strength. The value of hard work was still present in part 2. Yet again, no contradiction.

Like I have said countless times in this thread, where are the scans showing Naruto saying he doesn't want to be Ashura's transmigrant? Where is the scan that explicitly shows Naruto doesn't want to be the child of prophecy? Where are the scans of Naruto saying the entire concept of destiny is bullshit outside of the context of changing it if you want to? If Naruto's philosophy is that destiny is fine, and if you don't like yours you can change, but he didn't dislike his so he didn't, then where is the contradiction?

Why does it matter whether Naruto doesn't want to be the child of prophecy or not? He fulfilled the prophecy and got free powers from Asura. In part 1 Naruto said he doesn't believe in destiny and losers have to work hard to become strong

Naruto's rant about prophecy was nullified when he fought Sasuke, because it was his destiny as told by the toads. The result are irrelevant because they were not part of the prophecy. Naruto's rant about winners/losers went down the sewer when he was told to be the transmigrant of Asura

Is this the scan you're looking for btw? I don't see how it affects anything

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[Joseph Gomes]

OP. if you can't handle this retcon.

Don't read Marvel or Dc comics.

You'd be in tears.

Bro I do read comics, and I like manga 10x better. Marvel has far more worse retcon than Naruto :|

 

[SSStylish]

Rebirth= Continuity of cause and effect. Like lighting a candle with another candle. They're not the same, but the first is the cause of the second.

Transmigration= Soul and mind leaving one body and entering another one which is not necessarily a human being. It can also be an animal. It has also a lot to do with Karma.

Reincarnation= Same thing as transmigration minus the animal and Karma thing.

I'm not sure if this is right but I think it is to some extend. Some of you probably know better. If so, please explain me what the differences really are.

 

[Zawerni]

I still want to see a panel where Naruto said that destiny, as a whole, is a load of crap. You said it yourself person with Sarada avatar, Neji believed that people who born losers will always be losers. Naruto was born a loser. But he worked hard, and was able to change into someone powerful, which means what Naruto said was right and Neji was wrong, because, according to Neji, Naruto should have been a weakling his entire life. It was Naruto's destiny to work hard and be deemed worthy by Ashura. Where is the contradiction to part one? If Naruto didn't work hard, he wouldn't have been Ashura's transmigrant. Therefore, the value of hard work that was established in the part one still exists. Hagoromo said it himself, because Ashura worked hard with others, he was able to achieve strength. The value of hard work was still present in part 2. Yet again, no contradiction.

Except Naruto wasn't born a loser. He was born special as the "Child of Prophecy". He was viewed as a loser because he was a Jinchuriki and nobody wanted to be around him.

I'd agree with you if Naruto was indeed born a loser. But he was the Chosen One all along.

In this instance, Neji is still right. Naruto is special. He was born special. He worked hard, sure. Everyone worked hard regardless of how they were born. Look at Neji, he was a genius and mastered the Main family's techniques on his own. But then look at Lee, no matter how hard he tried he just wasn't good at ninjutsu or genjutsu.

 

[SSStylish]

Bro I do read comics, and I like manga 10x better. Marvel has far more worse retcon than Naruto :|

There's one thing that I like about comics better though. The feats and powers are way better defined and it's easier to debate.

 

[To Whatever]

lol People read a serialized manga, 15 year long at that, and treat it as a final version of completed book published after being edited, re-edited and beta-ed before reaching the printing press.

Pretty much. The Op doesn't seem to comprehend this.

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Now cry, because Superboy just punched reality and recton'ed a shitload of stuff

Bro I do read comics, and I like manga 10x better. Marvel has far more worse retcon than Naruto :|

I doubt you read the comics as you can't even handle this small "recton".

 

[Punk Hazard]

Why does it matter whether Naruto doesn't want to be the child of prophecy or not? He fulfilled the prophecy and got free powers from Asura. In part 1 Naruto said he doesn't believe in destiny and losers have to work hard to become strong

Naruto's rant about prophecy was nullified when he fought Sasuke, because it was his destiny as told by the toads. The result are irrelevant because they were not part of the prophecy. Naruto's rant about winners/losers went down the sewer when he was told to be the transmigrant of Asura

Is this the scan you're looking for btw? I don't see how it affects anything

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No, that image doesn't do what I'm asking for, and that's something that makes what you're saying valid. Your argument is still invalid.

It matters because the point of part 1 is ¨If you don't like what your destiny is, you can change it. Who you were born as, who you grow up into, and who you die as can be three different people.¨
Naruto didn't desire not to be Ashura's transmigrant, or not to be the child of prophecy. So he did not attempt to change that destiny. So where's the contradiction to part 1?

Naruto's rant about destiny is so misunderstood by you. His rant meant "If you don't like what your destiny is, change it. If you like it, go by it. In the end, it's all what you choose to do." And Naruto chose to follow his destiny of fighting Sasuke. Naruto wasn't being forced to fight Sasuke, Naruto chose to follow that path and fight Sasuke. If Naruto wanted to, he could have not fought Sasuke. Do you understand now?

As I've said before, Naruto NEVER said he hated destiny, but he hates the idea that people can't change their destiny. Naruto gained access to Ashura's power by working hard. If he didn't, he would have never have gotten to the point where he could use the power of being Ashura's transmigrants. At this point, I'm certain you two aren't actually reading my posts and are just posting out of your asses now.

Except Naruto wasn't born a loser. He was born special as the "Child of Prophecy". He was viewed as a loser because he was a Jinchuriki and nobody wanted to be around him.

I'd agree with you if Naruto was indeed born a loser. But he was the Chosen One all along.

In this instance, Neji is still right. Naruto is special. He was born special. He worked hard, sure. Everyone worked hard regardless of how they were born. Look at Neji, he was a genius and mastered the Main family's techniques on his own. But then look at Lee, no matter how hard he tried he just wasn't good at ninjutsu or genjutsu.

Yes he was. He was born without talent and weak. Do you need to reread the manga? I think you do.

Naruto is special in terms of who he is. But when did any of that help him in battle before the war? Did Ashura allow Naruto beat Neji? Did Ashura help Naruto master his techniques? When Naruto was failing to do a basic clone jutsu, where was Ashura then?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

There's one thing that I like about comics better though. The feats and powers are way better defined and it's easier to debate.

That's something I agree with. Comic book have better showings of feats, and powers are explained in detail. But I don't like the stroyline of comicbooks. But I still like manga more

 

[Shanks]

Ira's comment >>>>every other fodder's Post here. She is the Queen here .

 

[MAN OF SIN]

But then look at Lee, no matter how hard he tried he just wasn't good at ninjutsu or genjutsu.

Or Sakura who never caught up to Naruto and Sasuke like she wanted.

 

[Avani 👑]

Why are you bringing that up here?

Because that's what I have been seeing you doing it over and over and you have a whole blog of sporking to back me up. And you have been practicing it for months (a year at least?).

No matter what anyone says you stick to your version and refuse to see any other person's point even and frame your questions in such a way ( often a yes and no response which doesn't explain the situation at all ) which you know do not fit the situation but would serve your purpose.

Obito changed the path he chose twice- once when his ambition to serve Konoha turned to destroying it and second time when he decided to protect the world from the very fate. So it was stated when that part was drawn and Obito was shown changing his mind twice. And yet you are asking me when it was stated in the manga- despite Obito/Tobi being a prominent character throughout the manga. So why shouldn't I take it as a bait and call you upon on it?

Sporking a work can be fun now and then and can make people laugh or be aware of lose ends but when it becomes obsession and you keep doing it in normal threads all the time it's just baiting people into pointless arguments.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Yes he was. He was born without talent and weak. Do you need to reread the manga? I think you do.

I wouldn't say he was born weak since he was born had a large chakra reserve that got him through things.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Pretty much. The Op doesn't seem to comprehend this.

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Now cry, because Superboy just punched reality and recton'ed a shitload of stuff



I doubt you read the comics as you can't even handle this small "recton".

Naruto had a different theme before the ninja became saiyans and destiny and free powers trumped hard work. Lets not talk about comics as we're getting off topic

 

[To Whatever]

Naruto had a different theme before the ninja became saiyans and destiny and free powers trumped hard work. Lets not talk about comics as we're getting off topic

Tell me the theme of Part 1 in 2 words or less.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

No, that image doesn't do what I'm asking for, and that's something that makes what you're saying valid. Your argument is still invalid.

It matters because the point of part 1 is ¨If you don't like what your destiny is, you can change it. Who you were born as, who you grow up into, and who you die as can be three different people.¨
Naruto didn't desire not to be Ashura's transmigrant, or not to be the child of prophecy. So he did not attempt to change that destiny. So where's the contradiction to part 1?

Naruto's rant about destiny is so misunderstood by you. His rant meant "If you don't like what your destiny is, change it. If you like it, go by it. In the end, it's all what you choose to do." And Naruto chose to follow his destiny of fighting Sasuke. Naruto wasn't being forced to fight Sasuke, Naruto chose to follow that path and fight Sasuke. If Naruto wanted to, he could have not fought Sasuke. Do you understand now?

Lol, I am not going to restate my arguments. It's not about Naruto changing the destiny. It's about being part of it. That's what Neji was accused by Naruto for believing Neji is part of his destiny. Naruto didn't believe in destiny. And voila, in part 2 he fulfils each and every prophecy. Even his ideals about hard work are now irrelevant, coz he was transmigrant of Ashura

We clearly have different point of view, our discussion is futile. My arguments have nothing to do with yours

 

[Punk Hazard]

I wouldn't say he was born weak since he was born had a large chakra reserve that got him through things.

Yeah, I'm gonna consider being born without talent, unable to have basic chakra control and unable to perform D-rank techs pretty weak.