[VS] 4th Raikage Vs KIsame

[Conspirator.]

With a short starting distance, Ay would blitz, remove samaheda from Kisame(thus taking away regeneration) and then Lariat him. With a mid to long range distance though, Kisame fuses with Samaheda, spits out the water dome and beats down Ay.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

L0l...

Go ahead you'll lose Raikage is no match my friend his speed isn't much a of a factor at all... ​

Lel.

Inb4 DraeGod

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lel.

Inb4 DraeGod

Im waiting....

I already proved my case against the speed argument which is the only argument for Raikage here and when it's debunked it's gg...​

 

[KidGamer65]

when did gai blitz Kisame? What makes you think v2 Ei is faster than Gai?

The fact that V2 Ay is stated to be the fastest Shinobi prior to KCM Naruto and post Minato's death, and the fact that 6G Gai has no speed feat that puts him above Ay.

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I was wrong about it being with no reaction though.

 

[Gold Lightning]

The fact that V2 Ay is stated to be the fastest Shinobi prior to KCM Naruto and post Minato's death, and the fact that 6G Gai has no speed feat that puts him above Ay.

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I was wrong about it being with no reaction though.

That doesn't even look like v1 Ay's speed level, yet a complete blitz was doable

 

[TRE MERCER]

The fact that V2 Ay is stated to be the fastest Shinobi prior to KCM Naruto and post Minato's death, and the fact that 6G Gai has no speed feat that puts him above Ay.

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I was wrong about it being with no reaction though.

Tssk Tssk Tssk...

That was a 30% clone of Kisame and it did i well job of reacting making it full powered Kisame that attack would have been blocked easily baby girl...​

 

[Gold Lightning]

Tssk Tssk Tssk...

That was a 30% clone of Kisame and it did i well job of reacting making it full powered Kisame that attack would have been blocked easily baby girl...​

30% chakra. Not 30% of Kisame. This isn't like part 1 orochimaru's Edo Tensei, where Hashirama and Tobirama were at like 30% power. The shapeshifting clones had the same power as the original, they just didn't have access to all their chakra, hence certain techniques not being usable.

The shape shifting technique doesn't create a weaker clone of the original. It just means that they can't use their most chakra taxing techniques. It in no way affects their speed or reactions. Doesn't matter if that was the original Kisame, same thing would've happened.

 

[KidGamer65]

@YD: As Gold Lightning already stated. 30% Chakra=/=30% power. His physical abilities should be no different,

 

[Icelerate]

@YD: As Gold Lightning already stated. 30% Chakra=/=30% power. His physical abilities should be no different,

Then explain how did Kaguya get more powerful when she got more chakra or how Sakura's physical abilities also went up when she got her seal.

 

[Haizaki]

All that is useless when he can absorb Samehada so knocking it away from him is useless... Kisame can easily react to Ei seeing as 3tomoe Sasuke did plus Kisame can use clones to throw him off as well... Kisame reacted to Killer bee and easily kept up with him even in v1-v2 which is something Sasuke couldn't even do yet he managed to react to Ei... Once Samehada is absorbed it becomes a stop match... Plus in that last scan that was Zetsu not Kisame...

Absorbing Samehada becomes useless if he can't do it before Ay Shunsin's to him. What's this about Kisame being able to react to Ay? Sasuke didn't track V2 Ay btw. The only way Kisame wins is if Water dome comes out.

Tssk Tssk Tssk...

That was a 30% clone of Kisame and it did i well job of reacting making it full powered Kisame that attack would have been blocked easily baby girl...​

Chakra percentage wasn't the case there. If not, I don't know why Obito would say this when one resorts to a physical movement/attack

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[KidGamer65]

Then explain how did Kaguya get more powerful when she got more chakra or how Sakura's physical abilities also went up when she got her seal.

Byakugo boosts abilities, Databook states that. Kaguya is Kaguya. I can show you plenty of examples where physical abilities did not go down as chakra was spent. If Kisame is supposed to drop when it comes to his physical abilities, then the same should go for Naruto when he uses Shadow Clones, except such a thing never happens. Same exact principle here.

 

[Haizaki]

Byakugo boosts abilities, Databook states that. Kaguya is Kaguya. I can show you plenty of examples where physical abilities did not go down as chakra was spent. If Kisame is supposed to drop when it comes to his physical abilities, then the same should go for Naruto when he uses Shadow Clones, except such a thing never happens. Same exact principle here.

Yeah Obito confirms this as well.

 

[Icelerate]

Byakugo boosts abilities, Databook states that. Kaguya is Kaguya. I can show you plenty of examples where physical abilities did not go down as chakra was spent. If Kisame is supposed to drop when it comes to his physical abilities, then the same should go for Naruto when he uses Shadow Clones, except such a thing never happens. Same exact principle here.

There is a reason why Byakogou boosts power, it has to do with chakra my friend. Kaguya is so powerful because of having so much chakra and when she is lacking that chakra, she is a lot weaker. Naruto was using so many shadow clones yet they were getting destroyed by a base Kimimaro with ease whereas the real Naruto was giving a hard time to CS2 3 tomoe Sasuke. Not to mention Kaguya, who admits she is bad in taijutsu, was destroying Naruto's shadow clones with ease even though Naruto is very proficient in taijutsu.

 

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[Icelerate]

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Yet despite the decrease in strength, Kisame was overpowering base Gai who is extremely strong himself.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

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Even the Databook says that the abilities are proportional to the chakra. Although, that could just be more or less referring to the jutsu, as they would be hampered by the limited amount of chakra.

 

[Haizaki]

So we're saying Kisame upon having 100 percent chakra can somehow react to 6G Gai in the same scenario? I still don't get how his reflexes could be any better against 6G Gai.

TSB was said to be faster than Kamui, Gai wasn't in the 7G and yet intercepted it. I really doubt Kisame being able to react to him. As well as the fact that even Kisame himself(Whether his reflexes were somehow affected) said to himself how fast Gai was

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and didn't have the chance to complete that. Surely it would be understandable if he said nothing since his reactions were altered and he knew to himself that he could react in a better scenario. I'm just saying Kisame emphasizes on how fast he was regardless of his reflexes there.

 

[KidGamer65]

There is a reason why Byakogou boosts power, it has to do with chakra my friend. Kaguya is so powerful because of having so much chakra and when she is lacking that chakra, she is a lot weaker. Naruto was using so many shadow clones yet they were getting destroyed by a base Kimimaro with ease whereas the real Naruto was giving a hard time to CS2 3 tomoe Sasuke. Not to mention Kaguya, who admits she is bad in taijutsu, was destroying Naruto's shadow clones with ease even though Naruto is very proficient in taijutsu.

Yeah, it has to do with chakra, doesn't mean chakra is the sole cause, otherwise anyone who got more chakra would see a boost in physical ability, and Naruto's Shadow Clones would be physically inferior to the original. (Before splitting)

Kimimaro is stronger than Sasuke, and that was KN1 Naruto vs. CS2 3 Tomoe Sasuke, not KN0, who was getting stomped by Base 3-Tomoe Sasuke, which renders the comparison moot.

Kaguya? When did she say she's bad in Taijutsu? Besides, she was destroying Naruto's Shadow Clones with Vacuum Fists and Bones. Not Taijutsu.


But FT's scan ends this debate I guess.

 

[Haizaki]

Raikage still blitz. Kisame would need WD to win against this guy.

 

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Yet despite the decrease in strength, Kisame was overpowering base Gai who is extremely strong himself.

Overpowered base Gai with a single arm at just 30% his original strength. Gai's body is also hyped up to have a steel like body by the DB, yet a single punch at 30% strength was enough to make him cough up blood.

I don't think people realize that Kisame very likely is the strongest character in the manga in terms of raw physical strength that isn't enhanced by chakra. Stated to have super-human strength at just 30%? That's gross.

So we're saying Kisame upon having 100 percent chakra can somehow react to 6G Gai in the same scenario? I still don't get how his reflexes could be any better against 6G Gai.

TSB was said to be faster than Kamui, Gai wasn't in the 7G and yet intercepted it. I really doubt Kisame being able to react to him. As well as the fact that even Kisame himself(Whether his reflexes were somehow affected) said to himself how fast Gai was

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and didn't have the chance to complete that. Surely it would be understandable if he said nothing since his reactions were altered and he knew to himself that he could react in a better scenario. I'm just saying Kisame emphasizes on how fast he was regardless of his reflexes there.

Kisames reflexes and striking speed isn't something to sleep on. He was trashing Killer Bee in CQC before V2 came out; and bestest even base Gai in CQC at 30%. His CQC prowess is easily overlooked.

Raikage still blitz. Kisame would need WD to win against this guy.

Only way Ay blitzes is if he goes V2 off bat with like a minimal of like 30 meters starting distance. In this case, he wins. The WD isn't needed for Kisame though.