SM Madara vs BM Naruto and EMS Sasuke

[Sennin of Logic]

Limbo probably takes this. If this were BSM Naruto, it could go for Naruto+Sasuke because of their incredible power, but Madara pretty much takes this scenario.


Edit: Oh wait a minute! If they can see/sense it, it could go either way.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Depends on the quantity of Hagoromo's chakra Madara has. If it's anything close to Kakashi/Obito's portion he wins without a problem.

I agree

 

[Demonic.]

Team 2 stomps Madara with these conditions

 

[Transcendence]

So Limbo is ineffective, and Sasuke can still clad Naruto with his PS around his Avatar? I don't see how Madara is taking this at all. Limbo won't be breaking through a Kurama Avatar clad PS fusion, and Madara doesn't have access to PS without both eyes. Multiple Bijuu dama along with PS slashes from Sasuke should end Madara swiftly.

 

[Haizaki]

PS isn't even large enough to coat Shinsuusenju so I don't know why people are debating it. It can coat Mokujin, but PS Mokujin gets raped by PS Kurama.

Yeah that a fact actually.

@bold

Madara's PS took on 11 Bijuudamas but got destroyed by SS. If it coats Mokujin and Wood dragon, it can protect them and Wood dragon basically put Naruto with the Kurama avatar down when he faced Edo Madara.

Wank is way too strong. Lol, Madara fanboys never fail to disappoint.

Lol they really believe that nonsense.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

So Limbo is ineffective, and Sasuke can still clad Naruto with his PS around his Avatar? I don't see how Madara is taking this at all. Limbo won't be breaking through a Kurama Avatar clad PS fusion, and Madara doesn't have access to PS without both eyes. Multiple Bijuu dama along with PS slashes from Sasuke should end Madara swiftly.

limbo can perform all of madara's techs.

and i dont see why everyone is ignoring that hashi's shinssuusenju shitted on a superior PS Kurama.

so why doesn't madara do the same? because people hate

 

[Draphsin]

limbo can perform all of madara's techs.

No they can't, madara fanboys need to stop with this nonsense. U_U

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

No they can't, madara fanboys need to stop with this nonsense. U_U

"of equal ability"

so what, madara can only use taijutsu now?

obito fans were worse when kakashi used PS.

the databook written from kishi at the end of the manga with his mind already made up listed "of equal ability"

 

[Transcendence]

limbo can perform all of madara's techs.

and i dont see why everyone is ignoring that hashi's shinssuusenju shitted on a superior PS Kurama.

so why doesn't madara do the same? because people hate

- He doesn't have Kurama.
- He can't use Shinsenjuu.
- "Of equal ability" does not mean they can replicate techniques, so this is a fallacy.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

- He doesn't have Kurama.
- He can't use Shinsenjuu.
- "Of equal ability" does not mean they can replicate techniques, so this is a fallacy.

1. what?
2. why not? because he hasn't shown it? but someone with inferior at mokuton(yamato/swirly) without hashi's SM (something madara has) used a buddah statue on a lower scale. despite madara being the second best mokuton user now boosted with hashirama's SM he can't use the buddah statue close to the level of hashirama's since all of the rest of his mokuton techs were? get real son.
3. then exlpain it to me

 

[Draphsin]

"of equal ability"

so what, madara can only use taijutsu now?

obito fans were worse when kakashi used PS.

the databook written from kishi at the end of the manga with his mind already made up listed "of equal ability"

Of equal ability =/= possessing madara's entire arsenal. It refers to a single ability in which they are all equal. Since the clones have only been shown to use taijiutu then that means the limbo's merely have an equal fighting ability to madara, nothing more comes from that DB entry.

& Obito can use all of DMS kakashi's feats, this is a completely different case.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Of equal ability =/= possessing madara's entire arsenal. It refers to a single ability in which they are all equal. Since the clones have only been shown to use taijiutu then that means the limbo's merely have an equal fighting ability to madara, nothing more comes from that DB entry.

& Obito can use all of DMS kakashi's feats, this is a completely different case.

perhaps

and no he can't.

juubito couldn't use kamui but jj madara could
same goes for obito, dont give obito kakashi's feats.

 

[Transcendence]

1. what?
2. why not? because he hasn't shown it? but someone with inferior at mokuton(yamato/swirly) without hashi's SM (something madara has) used a buddah statue on a lower scale. despite madara being the second best mokuton user now boosted with hashirama's SM he can't use the buddah statue close to the level of hashirama's since all of the rest of his mokuton techs were? get real son.
3. then exlpain it to me

- Because you're using fallacy and conjecture. Nothing suggests that Madara can use Shinsenjuu. It was clearly shown to be Hashirama's strongest technique, and there's no way after only seeing it once in battle very briefly, that Madara could use it. He could use the other Mokuton because Madara fought Hashirama multiple times in his life and those were most likely part of his base arsenal to begin with.
- Of equal ability simply insinuates FIGHTING ABILITY. They've only been shown to use Taijutsu, and don't even inherit the Truth Seeking Orbs, so nothing suggests that Madara's clones can magically use PS or any other technique, rather than the shown Taijutsu EVERY SINGLE TIME.

 

[Transcendence]

perhaps

and no he can't.

juubito couldn't use kamui but jj madara could
same goes for obito, dont give obito kakashi's feats.

Juubito couldn't phase; which means use intangibility. Madara didn't use intangibility. He transferred his own body to the Kamui world, rather than phasing himself which he couldn't do with Kakashi's eye regardless.

 

[Draphsin]

and no he can't.

Yes he can.

juubito couldn't use kamui but jj madara could

Obito couldn't phase, doesn't say anything about warping to the dimension. & in any case this is completely irrelevant.

same goes for obito, dont give obito kakashi's feats.

Too bad because they share the feats [obito's chakra & kakashi's body].

It's obito's chakra, obito's eyes, & obito's rikudou senjutsu. Nothing suggests he can't unless you believe that kakashi can control obito's chakra better than he can himself. However that would make no sense since it's a fact that obito has better chakra control than kakashi [controlled 5-6 bijuu simultaneously].

Obito's chakra possessed kakashi, the only things that obito needed were a chakra refill [which he got when he died] & a body. His chakra could've possessed any body & the result would've been the same. Obito used kamui to cheat death & he gave his powers to kakashi as a result, they share the feats.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Yes he can.



Obito couldn't phase, doesn't say anything about warping to the dimension. & in any case this is completely irrelevant.



Too bad because they share the feats [obito's chakra & kakashi's body].

It's obito's chakra, obito's eyes, & obito's rikudou senjutsu. Nothing suggests he can't unless you believe that kakashi can control obito's chakra better than he can himself. However that would make no sense since it's a fact that obito has better chakra control than kakashi [controlled 5-6 bijuu simultaneously].

Obito's chakra possessed kakashi, the only things that obito needed were a chakra refill [which he got when he died] & a body. His chakra could've possessed any body & the result would've been the same. Obito used kamui to cheat death & he gave his powers to kakashi as a result, they share the feats.

its their chakra together, hell obito hasnt even showcase a v1 susanoo

 

[Draphsin]

its their chakra together, hell obito hasnt even showcase a v1 susanoo

No it's all

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, kakashi's chakra literally had nothing to do with susanoo.

Why would obito showcase a lesser defense that he's less familiar with & costs more chakra while on the verge of dying? That logic doesn't make sense.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

No it's all

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, kakashi's chakra literally had nothing to do with susanoo.

Why would obito showcase a lesser defense that he's less familiar with & costs more chakra while on the verge of dying? That logic doesn't make sense.

all that + kakashi's chakra
who said susanoo costs more chakra than kamui?

if anything, switching in and out dimenions is more chakra taxing

 

[Draphsin]

all that + kakashi's chakra

No, kakashi isn't hagoromo/naruto/minato, he can't connect his chakra with obito's since that's a special trait he doesn't have.

who said susanoo costs more chakra than kamui?

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is the only time obito ever complains about kamui costing any chakra, susanoo is constantly getting complaints regarding it's chakra cost.

War-arc kakashi can spam kamui, susanoo can last about 1-2 battles before the user is drained [refer to sasuke vs 5 kage].

if anything, switching in and out dimenions is more chakra taxing

Not in the slightest, not to mention obito has MS, so susanoo affects his lifeforce which would've killed him faster as well as waste chakra. But in any case that still doesn't explain why obito would switch from his main form of defense to a lesser one.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

No, kakashi isn't hagoromo/naruto/minato, he can't connect his chakra with obito's since that's a special trait he doesn't have.



This is the only time obito ever complains about kamui costing any chakra, susanoo is constantly getting complaints regarding it's chakra cost.

War-arc kakashi can spam kamui, susanoo can last about 1-2 battles before the user is drained [refer to sasuke vs 5 kage].



Not in the slightest, not to mention obito has MS, so susanoo affects his lifeforce which would've killed him faster as well as waste chakra. But in any case that still doesn't explain why obito would switch from his main form of defense to a lesser one.

his body, his chakra.+ whatever u listed

obito's entire right half is hashi's dna dude. why else do you think that his vision didn't go out like kakashi's did. and why else do u think he can spam ms techs like no other? hashi dna.

who's to say he even has it