So... Hashirama saw Black Zetsu and subsequently, this is where Madara cast Izanagi?

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Referencing Ch. 626, there is a blatant panel of Madara's Eien No Manegkyou; are we to assume this is when he cast Izangai, knowing he was going to lose?

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And to add on to that, Black Zetsu said that he recorded the events of Shinobi history and he knew all about the battle between Madara and Hashirama. When Hashirama noticed something at the top of the hill, was that Black Zetsu? (Scan below)

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[The8thGateBeast]

Yoooo that fight was beast.

 

[RedRobin]

Yeah this was answred in the manga. It was him.

 

[Transcendence]

Yeah this was answred in the manga. It was him.

Okay, that much was obvious, but it was never specifically identified as such. Do you think that panel of Madara's Eien No Mangekyou was when he used Izanagi?

 

[The Necromancer]

Okay, that much was obvious, but it was never specifically identified as such. Do you think that panel of Madara's Eien No Mangekyou was when he used Izanagi?

It was either there, or before the battle if he planned to lose all together.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Madara take a risk at a chance to be killed in the fight, because that he activated Izanagi time delay to one time after his dead. I dont know how he delay that Izanagi time. Because Izanagi is instant, but in Danzo case he got some time before one sharingan eye closed forever.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

The BZ thing was shown in the manga. [

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And yes, that is likely when Madara activated Izanagi which he programmed to activate later in case of his death against Hashirama.

 

[Demonic.]

Izanagi was a precaution. Anyone that says Madara planned to lose is a fanboy Lol Even Black Zetsu said Madara lost.

 

[Transcendence]

It was either there, or before the battle if he planned to lose all together.

Doubt he planned to lose. He knew of Hashirama's lifelong superiority.

The BZ thing was shown in the manga. [

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And yes, that is likely when Madara activated Izanagi which he programmed to activate later in case of his death against Hashirama.

Thanks for the scan. That clears it up.

Izanagi was a precaution. Anyone that says Madara planned to lose is a fanboy Lol Even Black Zetsu said Madara lost.

Agreed.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Okay, that much was obvious, but it was never specifically identified as such. Do you think that panel of Madara's Eien No Mangekyou was when he used Izanagi?

It was then that he bit off Hashirama's flesh and swallowed it, so probably, though that looks to be the wrong eye, and it would contradict a lot of theories about how he he was able to cast it.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Izanagi was a precaution. Anyone that says Madara planned to lose is a fanboy Lol Even Black Zetsu said Madara lost.

Madara, was planning to lose.

He wasted chakra on this izanagi before hand, which makes no sense, as it's pretty much instant and could be done at any time if needed.

I guess he wanted to pay his debt of sparred life to his bellowed friend

 

[Demonic.]

Madara, was planning to lose.

He wasted chakra on this izanagi before hand, which makes no sense, as it's pretty much instant and could be done at any time if needed.

I guess he wanted to pay his debt of sparred life to his bellowed friend

Lol. Nope. Madara set Izanagi up beforehand as a precaution. He didn't think he would lose. No reason to believe he "planned to lose" when Madara himself referred to their fight as a "real death match" to the Gokage.

Anyway, Black Zetsu already confirmed it was a legit loss.

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[AlphaScythian]

Lol. Nope. Madara set Izanagi up beforehand as a precaution. He didn't think he would lose. No reason to believe he "planned to lose" when Madara himself referred to their fight as a "real death match" to the Gokage.

Anyway, Black Zetsu already confirmed it was a legit loss.

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All their fights were to death

Ill have you slapped now U_U

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This precaution cost an eye and good piece of chakra, why lose an eye beforehand when you're confident to win?

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As you can see madara got the cells he needed, while still had sharingan

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Zetsu doesnt know if madara planned it or not, but evidences point that either that stupid or planned to repay his debt.

Note how he recall last time.

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And in the end this is where i believe he izanagi was used, that SFX.
Yes he has sharingan deactivated, which was on purpose as madz got what he wanted and decided to repay the debt as he is honourable rival was he not izanagi wouldnt be delayed.
And yes Itachi placed delayed amaterasu in sasuke with deactivated sharingan too

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[Demonic.]

All their fights were to death

Ill have you slapped now U_U

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This precaution cost an eye and good piece of chakra, why lose an eye beforehand when you're confident to win?

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As you can see madara got the cells he needed, while still had sharingan

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Zetsu doesnt know if madara planned it or not, but evidences point that either that stupid or planned to repay his debt.

Note how he recall last time.

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And in the end this is where i believe he izanagi was used, that SFX.
Yes he has sharingan deactivated, which was on purpose as madz got what he wanted and decided to repay the debt as he is honourable rival was he not izanagi wouldnt be delayed.
And yes Itachi placed delayed amaterasu in sasuke with deactivated sharingan too

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There is literally no proof of anything you just said Lol. It's all just speculation. That would make for a good theory

But, as far as the manga goes, Madara did not plan to lose. He set Izanagi up as a precaution. And you're just speculating he had already lost his eye too. His hair is always in the way. Tobirama would have noticed anyway:

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Madara could have got Hashirama's DNA if he had killed Hashirama too you know. These are all just excuses.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Madara lost on purposeU_U

 

[AlphaScythian]

There is literally no proof of anything you just said Lol. It's all just speculation. That would make for a good theory

But, as far as the manga goes, Madara did not plan to lose. He set Izanagi up as a precaution. And you're just speculating he had already lost his eye too. His hair is always in the way. Tobirama would have noticed anyway:

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Madara could have got Hashirama's DNA if he had killed Hashirama too you know. These are all just excuses.

How does bold have to do with anything? Tobirama didnt even figure madara left a clone GG


And this is the point, madara could also back stab hashirama and win, but he openly challenged him not once.

Its what honourable rivals do and no self-respecting competitor would be happy to defeat a rival cuz he spared you when had the kill chance, it had to be re paid

 

[Demonic.]

How does bold have to do with anything? Tobirama didnt even figure madara left a clone GG [/img]

Must have been a good clone lmao. The only reason Tobirama kept Madara's body was to study the sharingan. So he would have noticed if a sharingan wasn't there beforehand U_U


And this is the point, madara could also back stab hashirama and win, but he openly challenged him not once.

It's more complicated than that: Hashirama is a sensor and he also has a healing factor.

Also Madara had already set up Izanagi to activate should he die later on as a precuation. Don't think Madara could have used Izanagi since it was already prepared for later on should he die. He was sure he would win. His arrogance was his downfall.

It doesn't help that Madz is always wanking Hashirama either Lol

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[XY iNVeRSe]

For one, all madara wanted from the start is to cast infinite Tsukuyomi.

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For two, even if he defeated Hashirama, he knew that no one would side with him.

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Here, proves that madara just wanted to take Hashi's DNA,

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Instead of biting him, he could've easily put him in genjutsu and kill him, or use kenjutsu to kill Hashi and end the fight.

The creator of the shinobi world states that he deceived the uchiha into casting infinite Tsukuyomi which would save them.

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BZ states that madara lost however, but what he didn't know is that it was according to madara's plan.

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Then BZ corrects himself implying that it was madara's plan by saying madara wasn't stupid, he died on purpose.

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madara was able to go in hiding without having anyone know of his existence and awake the rinnegan.

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Madara knew that Hashi was the successor of the failed world, so he decided to let Hashi live in it. Simply because if he did kill him, the 5 nations would seek madara in on out anyways.

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He even said that he planned on what he was currently doing.

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So it was the smartest thing to do for madara at that time,

Fake a death, obtain the rinnegan, and cast infinite Tsukuyomi

So madara didn't need to win, just get the tools to solo the world. Like he did in canon.

#Ty and Madara Rules
#Godara
#SoloGod
#MANGAFACTS

 

[Demonic.]

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For one, all madara wanted from the start is to cast infinite Tsukuyomi.

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For two, even if he defeated Hashirama, he knew that no one would side with him.

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Here, proves that madara just wanted to take Hashi's DNA,

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Instead of biting him, he could've easily put him in genjutsu and kill him, or use kenjutsu to kill Hashi and end the fight.

The creator of the shinobi world states that he deceived the uchiha into casting infinite Tsukuyomi which would save them.

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BZ states that madara lost however, but what he didn't know is that it was according to madara's plan.

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Then BZ corrects himself implying that it was madara's plan by saying madara wasn't stupid, he died on purpose.

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madara was able to go in hiding without having anyone know of his existence and awake the rinnegan.

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Madara knew that Hashi was the successor of the failed world, so he decided to let Hashi live in it. Simply because if he did kill him, the 5 nations would seek madara in on out anyways.

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He even said that he planned on what he was currently doing.

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So it was the smartest thing to do for madara at that time,

Fake a death, obtain the rinnegan, and cast infinite Tsukuyomi

So madara didn't need to win, just get the tools to solo the world. Like he did in canon.

#Ty and Madara Rules
#Godara
#SoloGod
#MANGAFACTS

Nice theory. Madara could have negged Hashirama with genjutsu? Lol....


Why didn't he do it here, or in their previous 100 battles?

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[XY iNVeRSe]

Nice theory. Madara could have negged Hashirama with genjutsu? Lol....


Why didn't he do it here, or in their previous 100 battles? Let me guess he was planning everything from that point, right? He even planned for his brother, Izuna, to get killed. What a mastermind U_U

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