No charges for Ferguson officer in Brown shooting

[Avani]

Not sure if I'm included in this and not that it matters but I'm white. How can you be ignorant of the fact that exploitation of different ethnicities and cultures has been a major part of the growth of Western civilization? Such a rugged self-sufficient individual you are.

OT: this was a decision not to indict. Indictment does not equal guilt, it only means that there is a probability of a crime that must be adressed. In this situation it means no further investigation is warranted, which I for one am not comfortable with. You have one guys story, the other guy is dead. Everything the officer said about being afraid for his life, you don't think that could also apply to Brown (who is dead btw)? IMO an indictment should be automatic in these situations.

Oh don't worry, that guy knows it. In fact a little too well since his parents had to migrate because of the riots and ethnic tensions in their original place of living.

Thing is as Indians such protests are all too common for us- have seen them many times. And it's always self defeating. We have a poor infrastructure and every time something like this occurs it only leaves even less and makes the life of rest of the people that much worse.

( We can blame you - seeing the whites were responsible for the poor infrastructure which is result of the loot and imperialism before the independence but as of today it's out own people who fail to realize the need to find more constructive ways to deal with problems. )

So yeah, such riots in the name of protest somewhat iffy to us as they remind us of the last riot and loss of livelihoods and property here locally.

 

[Percyoats]

I honestly do not think it is allowed for a Cop to shoot at an unarmed individual. He is guilty in my own regards... This is not even about Brown being black. It is about the fact that he was not armed. To see a Cop shoot an unarmed individual more than once and you don't find anything wrong with that is barbaric.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

( We can blame you - seeing the whites were responsible for the poor infrastructure which is result of the loot and imperialism before the independence but as of today it's out own people who fail to realize the need to find more constructive ways to deal with problems. )

Well,,,,, uhh, sorry about that. I will try to avoid my imperialist, Victorian tendencies in the future.

 

[Avani]

Well,,,,, uhh, sorry about that. I will try to avoid my imperialist, Victorian tendencies in the future.

You better keep your word. :| U_U

 

[Deathwink]

the american justice system is a joke i'm disgusted

The biggest piece of evidence:

Brown's blood was found 25 feet past where his body was found. This means he absolutely came back to the officer like the officer said.

Him coming back might be true but it wasn't to attack darren wilson,(like darren wilson stated),not at all.Eyewitnesses have said that Michael had his hands up.darren wilson said that mike brown wanted to hurt him,that's why he shot him (6 times including 2 times in the head),for self defence.But no matter how you view it,even when you're supporting darren wilson (for any senseless reason i can't understand),it's a fact (and even a law) that shooting a person in the head 2 times in unnessary and not legal.Mike brown was unarmed.If michael was about to attack Darren (just like the darren wilson said) 1 shot somewhere in the leg would have been enough.Darren wilson even described Michael Brown as "it" and "demon" yesterday.Including the facts that Darren Wilson has a history of racial profiling and of aggresive behavior,we all can understand that Darren Wilson is a lying piece of shit.

What do you expect from a damn Gov that is being runned by jews with zionism shit.

bruh what the hell is wrong with ya

The real victim out of all of this

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don't bring stupid pictures into this that ain't even showing something true wtf
the owner from the convenience store that Michael "stole" from (as darren wilson said ) stated that nothing was taken.He didn't stole anything.it was a lie by darren wilson to justify the murder he did.
know your shit.

 

[YowYan]

Police state 'murica going strong

 

[Prometheus Beta]

Who do you think brought us here, where do you suggest we go, and why should we sever the ties that MATTER for the sake of the morally indecent not having to change? There are people with white friends, white family members, and white spouses. The problem is that the whites that are supposedly in charge bring about negative influence and due to their potency within their jurisdiction they feel as if it's fine to hold certain people down.

I was born in America. The problem? How I am looked at in my own country often depends on something that I am unable to, and shouldn't have to be able to, control.

Your idea is asinine because things shouldn't HAVE to be segregated. The issue at hand is that certain people warrant this kind of mentality...and to be able to do so the ****ery has to be prevalent.

And I hope no one's stupid enough to come with that "you live in my house, deal with it" bullshit because you are merely part of the problem if you even consider saying that kind of thing to someone.

Edit. So, do you feel like a hero yet?

 

[Anorien16]

Not sure if I'm included in this and not that it matters but I'm white. How can you be ignorant of the fact that exploitation of different ethnicities and cultures has been a major part of the growth of Western civilization? Such a rugged self-sufficient individual you are.

My friend my own people exploited us before the Western Societies exploited everyone ... Ever heard of the the Untouchable Caste of India? I am from that group and being from the said caste where my own people believed that our very shadows and breath was cursed and kept distance ... I am well versed in the history of exploitation and oppression. Not to mention of the fact that I am also among the group of religious minorities who were driven out of our homeland because of communal riots, scammed out of the little we had and practically had to live on the mercy of a foreign country to survive .... so you see I am quite higher than most in Oppression Olympics via decent. That is why I KNOW that such behavior is not productive at all, my father and uncle was able to come out that terrible situation precisely because they refused to bound by any such shackles. They were as you might put it 'thuggish', because of the environment they grew up but never succumbed to crime or grave wrongdoings despite the poverty (and total lack of parental guidance .... Gandfather was always busy and Granny was long dead) but always looked for a opportunity at every corner and because they looked they found it and rose above others. So pardon me when I look at people with potential and see just a whiny child who wants the world owe him something instead of carving a place for himself all the because of the past happenings. As someone so eloquently put: 'The World belongs to the doers' and 'Action speaks louder than words'.

 

[Wabbit]

don't bring stupid pictures into this that ain't even showing something true wtf
the owner from the convenience store that Michael "stole" from (as darren wilson said ) stated that nothing was taken.He didn't stole anything.it was a lie by darren wilson to justify the murder he did.
know your shit.

MICHAEL BROWN DIN DO NUFFIN
if that is not true it does not justify the ruining life of hard working people and the violence and destroying property.

Not true and stupid? seriously I even posted that link. What wrong has done? He is just like other millions who wanted to have some of his own. To make his American dream come true. He probably works 24x7 to make his life and then these people take everything from him. Oh wait that cant be true even if it is and does not matter should not be brought here because MICHAEL BROWN DIN DO NUFFIN so anything that shows innocent people getting caught in the middle getting screwed because of that one dead guy is stupid huh? He was not the only store owner that got robbed though.
dont come at me again saying that site is fabricated by illuminati/jews/gobernment/KKK and it is justified because my ancestors were slaves and oppressed by whites.

 

[YowYan]

I agree, looting is not justified, but if you support the same institutionalized apparatus that loots us everyday, you're thinking inside a bubble.

 

[Wabbit]

I dnt think average people those of working class cares to think that far unless it comes to their foot,they don't have time. They just want to settle down. Just like 3rd world country cant have nuclear paranoia because most people are poor they have 1000 problems it is not in them,it is out of their class.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Like the Trayvon Martin case, this too shall pass.

 

[Tech1]

Wilson is a lying piece of shit, and of course the rest of the gang backed him up and are protecting him from people who want to kick his ass. If everyone were to go on a cop-killing spree, that would show them that America is not playing around with our Government. The answer to 1984 is 1776. Revolution...

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Wilson is a lying piece of shit, and of course the rest of the gang backed him up and are protecting him from people who want to kick his ass. If everyone were to go on a cop-killing spree, that would show them that America is not playing around with our Government. The answer to 1984 is 1776. Revolution...

Yea! We should kill a lot of innocent cops just because a few of them are bad, and while we're at it, we should all Muslims because of ISIS.

 

[Tech1]

Yea! We should kill a lot of innocent cops just because a few of them are bad, and while we're at it, we should all Muslims because of ISIS.

There is no "few of them being bad" try half of them. Where are the "good cops" right now? You know, the "honest ones" that should say Wilson is lying? Right, they aren't anywhere to be found.

Take your fantasies elsewhere chump, you're apart of the problem in this country. Such a weak-minded fool.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

There is no "few of them being bad" try half of them. Where are the "good cops" right now? You know, the "honest ones" that should say Wilson is lying? Right, they aren't anywhere to be found.

Take your fantasies elsewhere chump, you're apart of the problem in this country. Such a weak-minded fool.

Even if half of them are bad, that still doesn't justify killing innocent citizens that are doing their job correctly.

 

[Tech1]

Even if half of them are bad, that still doesn't justify killing innocent citizens that are doing their job correctly.

Police are not citizens by definition when on duty, and since there is so much corruption in the Government, it's hard to say only half of them are corrupt. There are thousands of videos on youtube alone that shows unwarranted police brutality. The "good ones" did nothing to bring true justice to this case, so we can reasonably conclude there are virtually no "good cops" in Ferguson.

 

[Penguin]

Some of these comments are hilarious. Lol

 

[Aim64C]

I understand that, and listened closely to the prosecutor as he explained what happened according to the concrete evidence available, and am absolutely baffled by the fact that he isn't being charged for 2nd degree murder. Whether his hands were raised or at his sides, whether he was running away or charging towards him, Brown was unarmed and backup was on the way.

Do you have any idea what a person can do to you in less than 3 seconds?

People act like firearms are the end-all of combat. They are not. If I am within 30 feet of you, I will be able to be on top of you before you draw your weapon unless you are trained to recognize that you needed to be in the process of drawing it before I began.

Even my small frame can generate enough power to crack bone. A person Brown's size simple doesn't have to be as well formed in his strike to do the same thing. With some decent martial arts training, Brown could literally crumple people in a single stroke - shattered vertebrae, severed spines, snapped collars, shattered ribs, broken pelvis/femur - the list goes on.

When someone doubles-back at you while you're wielding a firearm - that generally means they have received, at the very least, counseling regarding hand-to-hand.

How do you deal with an active shooter? If within 30 feet, you blitz. Violence and force of action.

Say that the officer was unarmed. There's no conclusive evidence to suggest that he would have been injured by Brown in any serious way. The "slight swelling" does not warrant lethal force. Brown had already been fired at several times when he turned and charged the officer, and only for getting in what by all accounts was a bit of a scuffle. If there was anyone who truly in real and significant danger, it was him.

Lethal Force is authorized when capability opportunity and intent are met.

Brown had the capability to inflict death or serious bodily injury to Wilson - the qualifying definition for deadly force.

Brown had the opportunity, being well within range.

Brown had the intent, as evidenced by the attempt to seize the weapon and as evidenced by the forensics placing Brown in a charge toward the officer (reinforced by witness testimony).

Capability was met.

Opportunity was met.

Intent was met.

Use of Lethal Force is therefor authorized and appropriate for the scenario.

For the record - even a baton is considered lethal force depending upon where the strike is made (and, rarely, can one be very precise during such conflict).

I don't think that he is this racist evil man that some people make him out to be. I think he's a human being whose reaction to the situation was overzealous, and he should have to face the consequences for that.

How was it overzealous?

A man robbed a store and then attempted to seize the officer's weapon with an obvious intent to use it to inflict injury that would likely result in fatality.

What?

Do you want the officer to let the man go?

This is a law enforcement officer who has taken an oath to protect the citizenry from people just like Brown.

What would have happened if he did let Brown go and Brown went on to kill a room mate or two that evening?

There would be no media outcry - but would the officer have failed in keeping with his oath? Would the officer have failed in THE MISSION WE ASSIGN TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENTS AS TAX PAYERS?

If police are just there to make suggestions to criminals - then why have police, at all?

Give my tax dollars back to me if we're not going to have police who put a stop to criminals.

Call me cold and unfeeling - but if you're going to act as stupid as Brown was, then you should be considered lucky if the police have the resources to invest in sparing your life. Otherwise - the moment you decide to seize an officer's weapon, you have decided that one or the other of you is going to die.

That is all there is to it.

That is the bottom line of how I was trained. If someone goes for your weapon, it is a life or death struggle and you had damned well better be prepared to live.

Because if someone who is unarmed and wants your weapon kills you - they will not hesitate to kill others.

There is no way in the world this was a 'bad shoot' or the case of an 'overzealous' officer.

 

[Inch]

I'm going to leave most of your points alone - what you said about everything regarding the authorization of lethal force is quite right, and you sound more well informed on that topic than I do in any case.

Like so many you seem to assume that there were only two options for this situation: direct conflict and inaction. From the very moment that they met Brown and this officer were more or less doomed. Neither one of them was willing to budge. Brown was by all accounts extremely aggressive, while the officer seemed only to be able to enforce the law by imposing direct authority over his constituents.

In none of the reports is there evidence that the officer made any attempt to contain the situation until backup arrived. When Brown didn't do as the officer asked, he blocked his path. Here's the first instance of the officer making an improper decision. Had Brown been allowed to pass, it would have been incredibly easy for the officer to simply follow him and/or relay additional information about Brown's whereabouts/direction to officers on the way.

But that's not what happened, and the officer's inability to use tact creates further problems. After having words at the window of the car, a scuffle broke out with Brown at the window and the officer in the car. In his disadvantaged position, the only thing the officer possibly thought he could do was take out his firearm, point it at Brown and then say, "stop or I'm going to shoot you." He kept his gun well within arms reach of Brown as he said this. This was an incredibly, incredibly stupid thing to do. As I've already said, Brown was extremely aggressive and his actions are equally inexcusable. The officer could have simply taken his car out of park and driven to a safe distance instead, and there, made the exact same threat with a great deal more of security. It even would have been much better to continue scuffling with Brown. According to his own testimony, this scuffle was in no way life threatening, and backup was on the way as he well knew.

But they scuffle over the weapon and the officer ends up firing several rounds prompting Brown to run away. The officer proceeds to get out of his car and continue firing at Brown, if I'm not very much mistaken. Here he is on a street with other people on it firing after a man who was running from him who at this moment in time posed no immediate threat to him. Every time that he fired he risked a bullet hitting or ricocheting into a bystander. Again, he could have stayed in his car and continued relaying information to backup, or he could have gave chase without firing. He did neither of those things. He continued to escalate the situation.

At this point Brown turned around to charge, and he had little choice but to shoot. You have the right of it on that.

But I'm straying from my main point when I type all this. I believe that these were all honest mistakes on the officer's part. No human being can be expected to have perfectly in any given situation. The point is that there was enough evidence for him to be indicted. The grand jury acted as a many trial to decide the officer's guilt, not whether or not there was enough evidence present to indict him as it is meant to do.