Why kamui does not help obito against itachi [proof]

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BZ also lost to Chojuro and was baffled by how he lost.....

Black Zetsu doesn't know shit


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BZ also lost to Chojuro and was baffled by how he lost.....

Black Zetsu doesn't know shit


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He knows that Itachi solos your fav tho U_U
 

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He knows that Itachi solos your fav tho U_U

That argument makes no sense since we've just established that Black Zetsu is a fraud.

Actions speak louder than words and Black Zetsu is a fodder. His words mean nothing.
 

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did you ever consider the possibility that Zetsu was speaking in the context of the current situation? That is, Itachi VS Sasuke. If you take invincible literally then that means even Rikudo or Kaguya cant beat him.

And Obito said Itachi could have killed him if he had more information. He is obviously not talking about a straight fight. He just means Itachi would have come up with a better plan than Amaterasu had he known exactly how powerful Obito was. This is like saying Obito is inferior to Konan cuz she nearly killed him with full info and prep. If she had known about Izanagi perhaps she would have factored that in and actually killed Obito. It doesn't make her stronger than him. Just a good boy scout(Always be prepared)
 

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did you ever consider the possibility that Zetsu was speaking in the context of the current situation? That is, Itachi VS Sasuke. If you take invincible literally then that means even Rikudo or Kaguya cant beat him.

And Obito said Itachi could have killed him if he had more information. He is obviously not talking about a straight fight. He just means Itachi would have come up with a better plan than Amaterasu had he known exactly how powerful Obito was. This is like saying Obito is inferior to Konan cuz she nearly killed him with full info and prep. If she had known about Izanagi perhaps she would have factored that in and actually killed Obito. It doesn't make her stronger than him. Just a good boy scout(Always be prepared)

No what he meant was that when he is wielding yata mirror and the totsuka blade he is invincible, due to the spiritual weapons. Not meaning that Itachi beats everyone, just that no one can beat him as long as he is wielding those weapons.

The rest you wrote is just speculation.
 

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BZ knew of kamui.
yet he said this
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And? BZ wasn't even acting as himself at that time just like Tobi was saying and acting like an idiot before saying he's Madara. You expect him to mention Kamui when Obito just started to show it against team Kakashi and team Yamato at that same time plus saying a Kamui would confirm who Tobi really was. BZ didn't know of Itachi's illness or of Susanoo's side effect so nothing he said at that time is concrete since all a skilled ninja have to do is force Itachi into Susanoo and his illness and Susanoo side effect would kill him.
 

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And? BZ wasn't even acting as himself at that time just like Tobi was saying and acting like an idiot before saying he's Madara. You expect him to mention Kamui when Obito just started to show it against team Kakashi and team Yamato at that same time plus saying a Kamui would confirm who Tobi really was. BZ didn't know of Itachi's illness or of Susanoo's side effect so nothing he said at that time is concrete since all a skilled ninja have to do is force Itachi into Susanoo and his illness and Susanoo side effect would kill him.

BZ wasn't acting as himself? U_U Ofcourse he knew about Susanoo's side effect, not that it is relevant. What he was talking about was that as long as he is wielding Yata mirror no one can defeat him for as long as he can keep it up.
 

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No what he meant was that when he is wielding yata mirror and the totsuka blade he is invincible, due to the spiritual weapons. Not meaning that Itachi beats everyone, just that no one can beat him as long as he is wielding those weapons.

The rest you wrote is just speculation.

How do you know that's what he meant? I'm pretty sure he was talking about the situation.

Totsuka isn't even all that great since most of NV can dodge Totsuka.

Yata Mirror doesn't protect you from all sides, but only the side which the Shield is facing, so Itachi wouldn't be able to defend himself against a Water Dome.

So no, he's not invincible as long as he wields those weapons.
 

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How do you know that's what he meant? I'm pretty sure he was talking about the situation.

Totsuka isn't even all that great since most of NV can dodge Totsuka.

Yata Mirror doesn't protect you from all sides, but only the side which the Shield is facing, so Itachi wouldn't be able to defend himself against a Water Dome.

So no, he's not invincible as long as he wields those weapons.

Because it makes less sense to use the word invincible to just describe him in that situation vs Sasuke.
Okay, but BZ disagrees.
 

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No what he meant was that when he is wielding yata mirror and the totsuka blade he is invincible, due to the spiritual weapons. Not meaning that Itachi beats everyone, just that no one can beat him as long as he is wielding those weapons.

The rest you wrote is just speculation.

Literal interpretation of BZ's words: Itachi is invincible with Susannoo activated.

Inference: if Itachi activates Susanoo with the weapons, a team of Rikudo, Kaguya, Juubi jin Madara cannot beat him because he is invincible.

Inference: If the sun hurled itself at the earth, Itachi would be sole survivor because he is invincible

Inference: Itachi cannot die of sickness or old age which Totsuka and yata are activated because he is invincible.

You do realise how idiotic that sounds

Interpreting BZ's words with due consideration of the context.

Itachi had just shielded Sasuke's attack with Yata showing the potency of the defense.
Earlier, he had sealed away the persistent immortal Oroxhimaru, showing the potenct of his Susannoo's attack.
BZ was affirming that with due considerations of these two abilities Itachi, as he stands in the battle, is invincible.


Inference: Sasuke could do nothing against him at that point because he was invincible.


You see how less idiotic that sounds?


Obito said Itachi being dead meant the Leaf was no longer off limits. He was referring to the deal he had made with Itachi concerning Konoha. Does this mean he feared Itachi would kill him. for attacking Konoha? No, because, prior to when he said this, he allowed Pain send Hidan and Kakuzu to the Leaf and he had already ordered Pain to go there. He was not afraid to do both things.

Obito said if he had not kept back secrets from Itachi, he would be dead. Doesn't make itachi stronger. Nagato lost to Naruto, not because Naruto was stronger, but because of the secrets he knew about Nagato. If Naruto did not know all he knew then he would have lost. Pain said that if Jiraiya knew his secret, he would have lost to the Sannin. So basically the difference in strength between Itachi and Obito is like between Nagato snd Jiraiya.

The only thing we can conclude is that Itachi, if fully informed and fully prepared, can kill Obito. The statement smacks of inferiority on Itachi's part since he has to prepare first.
 

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BZ wasn't acting as himself? U_U Ofcourse he knew about Susanoo's side effect, not that it is relevant. What he was talking about was that as long as he is wielding Yata mirror no one can defeat him for as long as he can keep it up.

He wasn't acting as the Zetsu who betrayed Madara to revive Kaguya and manipulate everyone, he was acting under a cover as Obito was as Tobi. Zetsu was talking to himself about Itachi and didn't know about the anything, they guessed for explanations and . The WZ knew of Orochimaru who was Akatsuki before Itachi ( ) so he should know what BZ knows about Itachi but they didn't know and was guessing.
 

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Because it makes less sense to use the word invincible to just describe him in that situation vs Sasuke.
Okay, but BZ disagrees.

No it doesn't. Black Zetsu knew that Itachi was capable of defeating Sasuke. So when Itachi had Yata and Totsuka out, Black Zetsu knew that Sasuke had no way to counter either, making Itachi invincible in that instance.

besides, Black Zetsu saying Itachi is invincible is the same as Iruka saying Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage.
 

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No it doesn't. Black Zetsu knew that Itachi was capable of defeating Sasuke. So when Itachi had Yata and Totsuka out, Black Zetsu knew that Sasuke had no way to counter either, making Itachi invincible in that instance.

So yeah Black Zetsu does agree.

Dont feed the troll...


OT: BZ wanks Itachi cuz they made out hence the AIDS :rolleyes:
 

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No it doesn't. Black Zetsu knew that Itachi was capable of defeating Sasuke. So when Itachi had Yata and Totsuka out, Black Zetsu knew that Sasuke had no way to counter either, making Itachi invincible in that instance.

besides, Black Zetsu saying Itachi is invincible is the same as Iruka saying Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage.

Itachi wouldve been invincible in that situation without yata and totsuka, why would he have said that right after explaining what yata and totsuka was in that case.. Lol

Yeah, no.
 

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Itachi wouldve been invincible in that situation without yata and totsuka, why would he have said that right after explaining what yata and totsuka was in that case.. Lol

Yeah, no.

Because Itachi would have gotten owned by Orochimaru's Serpent if it wasn't for Yata and Totsuka.

Yeah, no.
 

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