No one could possibly defeat Madara logically

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You are only talking about strength.

You forgot that Madara has a huge weakness that is easily exploitable:
He wants to know History and he is naive , bad team.
He believes in what is written on an old stone.

With that in mind , there are a lot of possible ways to defeat him , you just need to manipulate that naive guy like a puppet.

Reall eyes realize reall lies !.......Madara's eyes saw through the uchiha stone deception !.....b.zetsu faked some of the uchiha stone but couldnt fake it all...Rinnegan can read the truth written in the uchiha stone
 

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Madara with 5 PS with 4 of them invisible. Kaguya was about equal with one PS as Sasuke, Kaguya> Hagoromo. Naruto fought 4 limbo clones and had trouble when they didn't even use jutsu. Those 4 are the only ones that could even see his clones. No one has a chance!
black zetsu solos.
 

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Reall eyes realize reall lies !.......Madara's eyes saw through the uchiha stone deception !.....b.zetsu faked some of the uchiha stone but couldnt fake it all...Rinnegan can read the truth written in the uchiha stone

So , in your theory , there is even more shame on him , he knew there was a trap , he fell into that trap...
 

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So , in your theory , there is even more shame on him , he knew there was a trap , he fell into that trap...

you only heard black zetsu's version of truth...but not Madara's ...so wait for the ultimate truth when Madara will fool you
 

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you only heard black zetsu's version of truth...but not Madara's ...so wait for the ultimate truth when Madara will fool you

That doesn't answer my post...
 

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and limbo clones can't use susanoo. wtf are you making up.
 

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That doesn't answer my post...

Madara knew that the uchiha stone was faked......he just ignored that black zetsu was the one behind faking it......do you realize that if black zetsu failed in stabbing Madara and making kaguya emerge...Madara will erase him from existense?...

-now accoring to my tobidara theory...the black zetsu's betrayal makes sense why?....think about it.. who is the exact oppositte of black zetsu??...yes its him Kisame hochigake !!...tobidara (madara) might have suspected about black zetrsus' loyalty thats why he trusted kisame more...in the end tobidara was right...Kisame died like hero protecting tobidara secrets ...while blackzetsu betrayed him...
 

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madara knew that the uchiha stone was faked......he just ignored that black zetsu was the one behind faking it......do you realize that if black zetsu failed in stabbing madara and making kaguya emerge...madara will erase him from existense?...

-now accoring to my tobidara theory...the black zetsu's betrayal makes sense why?....think about it.. Who is the exact oppositte of black zetsu??...yes its him kisame hochigake !!...tobidara (madara) might have suspected about black zetrsus' loyalty thats why he trusted kisame more...in the end tobidara was right...kisame died like hero protecting tobidara secrets ...while blackzetsu betrayed him...

hahahahahah lmao lolololoollllll hahahahahahah
 

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Please show me where Kaguya was equal to perfect Susano'o.

What I saw was her owning Sasuke.
 

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Madara with 5 PS with 4 of them invisible. Kaguya was about equal with one PS as Sasuke, Kaguya> Hagoromo. Naruto fought 4 limbo clones and had trouble when they didn't even use jutsu. Those 4 are the only ones that could even see his clones. No one has a chance!
Manga fact and canon Black Zetsu and Kaguya destroyed Madara in seconds.
 

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Naruto and Sasuke could've beaten him. Obito would have interfered like with the Kaguya fight and given Kakashi PS and dual MS, which would have helped immensely.

They also beat Kaguya without Sasuke using hardly any of his new powers. They could have beat Madara with Sasuke using his Rinnegan Techs.
 

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Nah seemed pretty logical to me, Black zetsu aka charcoal one shot maddy in style.

Logic doesn't run well with you, so that's no surprise, but too bad Madara > your fav.

Anyways, no, Madara is not on Kaguya level, he is virtually as powerful as the sage.
 

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I was under the impression that Kaguya was the god of Chakra. Meaning it would only take the reincarnation of her sons to defeat her.
 

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Databook speaks against this thread. Kaguya was in another level, and her Sharingan was capable to see through Limbo.
 

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Madara knew that the uchiha stone was faked......he just ignored that black zetsu was the one behind faking it......do you realize that if black zetsu failed in stabbing Madara and making kaguya emerge...Madara will erase him from existense?...

-now accoring to my tobidara theory...the black zetsu's betrayal makes sense why?....think about it.. who is the exact oppositte of black zetsu??...yes its him Kisame hochigake !!...tobidara (madara) might have suspected about black zetrsus' loyalty thats why he trusted kisame more...in the end tobidara was right...Kisame died like hero protecting tobidara secrets ...while blackzetsu betrayed him...

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Second panel reveals the undeniable truth, chapter 655 page 12. Obito was the one who took Madara's name, and walked in the world, trying to correct injustices.

This revelation happened right after Juubi Jinchuuriki Obito was defeated.

...ergo, it's impossible for Madara to have controlled or being Tobi.

There is no mind control in this confession, of course... the heart seal broke before Obito turned into a Jinchuuriki.
 

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Yeah, Madara has no control of any of the big aspects of the story after he died. The entire state of the world is because of Black Zetsu and Obito who manipulated everything. Without Black Zetsu Madara would not have been revived since it was he who let Kabuto find his corpse. Believing Madara can see through the deception of a 1,000 year old being like Black Zetsu is plain retarded.
 

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Second panel reveals the undeniable truth, chapter 655 page 12. Obito was the one who took Madara's name, and walked in the world, trying to correct injustices.

This revelation happened right after Juubi Jinchuuriki Obito was defeated.

...ergo, it's impossible for Madara to have controlled or being Tobi.

There is no mind control in this confession, of course... the heart seal broke before Obito turned into a Jinchuuriki.

dude I SAID I WONT READ YOUR COMMENTS !!!........and btw this manga chapter evidence you just posted me is coincidently the latest anime episode (my sig).....LOOK AT OBITO'S BODY AFTER THEY REMOVED JUUBI FROM HIM...HE HAD ONLY SENJU DNA..NO HUMAN FLESH!!...I WAS RIGHT...TOBIDARA WAS SMART AND GOT OUT FROM OBITO'S BODY ALONG WITH SPIRAL ZETSU...THEN IN NEXT EPISODE A WHITE ZETSU WILL APPEAR TO TELL MADARA ABOUT THE INSIDES (spiral zetsu and tobidara) BEING WELL.....HAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHA TOBIDARA IS REALL!! ....IN PART 3 THE MYSTERY OF TOBI WILL BE BACK....I AM WINING IN THE END....BYE BYE!!!
 
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