The Last of Sakura's character.

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When was I trying to ruin the manga for you guys?And when did I say the entire manga was crap.If you take just the plot and story line into consideration it was a great manga till the Kaguya arc.Its value diminished after that and I have every right to state my opinion and that does not translate to ruining the manga for others nor does it mean frustration.You loved it.Great.
I also tend to find the "logic" of the pro supporters flawed.Its personal opinion.You cant force someone to change it or not express it
ok my bad, if you enjoyed it a bit that's nice, nothing is perfect after all!!!

about logic, i was more referring to the attitude toward the manga & Kishimoto, as a reader you have no influence so basically it makes no sense to lose so much energy for something which displeased you this much especially when it's over.

also, saying Kishimoto is a shitty author in the end, ok well, he entertained you enough to buy his stuff or just read it for a couple of years/months, so it's basically a childish lie and again not logical at all.


i loved the manga, still, i disliked a lot of stuff, Sakura main existence is one of them but i'm not Kishimoto and maybe he just wanted her to be a random boring girl for the love triangle he was apparently told to create between Naruto and Sasuke and maybe, he was not concerned by her evolution because she's not an important character.


imo he gave her enough stuff: a career as a ninja doc, a child and the man she loved since day 1


i feel more sorry about Sasuke because his main dream was to resurrect his clan, one child is probably not enough Lol
 

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@bold So do I and I respect your opinion.If you think a single apology is all it takes to leave all the negative crap he did with her thats your prerogative.There hasnt been any positive development between Sakura and Sasuke anywhere in the manga prior to 699
Sasuke hurt Naruto a lot more and more than once. He was quite rude to Kakashi too and he did the same to Sakura. For him apologizing at that point was just a start. It's not the word that count but action and for me the most important change Sasuke showed was, was in refusing the artificial hand and not grudging Naruto what he gained in the end. He is not in the center of activities within Konoha and he is still content and doing what he sees would be better redemption for him. Doing things off the screen. His response to Sakura later when leaving the village was also markedly different to show the changes in his attitude. So for me there is no reason to see it as a battered housewife or anything negative from that point on.

Why would you even confuse an ideal situation in a manga with a real life situation? It's not a slice of life kind of genre either nor aimed at female issues.

Its always been Sasuke making Sakura miserable.Some people love tragic love stories I guess but that doesnt mean you bash people who hate on it.
Always? He didn't do anything particularly against her till she went to kill him after he was declared a missing nin.


Romance is supposed to be a positive thing
Read Weathering Heights. Your romanticism for romance will fly out of the window. You want the most effed up idea of romance for me- Have you ever come across the Three musketeers? D'Artagnan and Athos make me want to kill them because of their selfish hypocrisy, and double standards. The Casuarina Tree by W.S. Maugham would do wonders for the romance if any left.

I stopped for looking for female oriented romance in books targeted for male audience ages ago and certainly not in the shonnen manga in an industry where genres are so much divided among fixed type of audience.

Sakura making a stand and rejecting Sasuke probably wouldn't go well with publishers anyway. They wanted Sasuke to get everything except the things he denied himself after his return. No one is making him but he himself is taking the penalties for his "sins". Too good to be true but Naruto made a promise to Itachi and the sage. Did he prove to be a lucky bastard in this regard? Probably yes. Should we assume worst for Sakura- I don't see the need.

Its there in NaruHina and all other ships but isnt there in SasuSaku.
Hinata was lucky that Naruto didn't lose his path nor she ever saw him losing control or being at receiving end of his kyuubi form.


Naruto did call Obito the coolest guy ever and the guy had killed his parents.
Obito, that wanted to be hokage not the Obito playing Tobi. There is a difference and one has to check what it means to be a hokage in Naruto's dictionary.

Ino's father is dead partly because of Sasuke yet she was fangirling when he arrived.That I should be forced to accept whatever Kishi does because he is the writer is retarded.Lets agree to disagree
Sasuke wasn't actively involved in that particular accident. He reached ground with reinforcement - the best possible at that point. So why even complain about that...

I never tried to justify Sasuke on his negative path but I cannot actually find fault with him once he is back this completely. In RL I will be skeptic. But since it's manga and writers says he came back completely changed and nice then he is. shurg* He mostly gets a pass from me since Naruto made a promise to Itachi and Itachi did gain that much favour in my eye.

You don't have to accept anything. But the story is his and in the end you can either only agree or disagree. Kishi was trying to emphasize the necessity of making attempts to understand perspective of others and forgive past and concentrate on future. The manga is about understanding, cooperation, sincerity, forgiveness , teamwork and friendships. There was no deeper meaning of the manga to begin with.
 
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Actually the hate for Sakura is very reasonable and not really just made up. As a heroine she should have played a far bigger role than she was given. Saying this is shonen is not any kind of excuse. Other shows have developed females a lot better with these titles. Its not like there weren't oppertunities to make to her better.
 
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Actually the hate for Sakura is very reasonable and not really just made up. As a heroine she should have played a far bigger role than she was given. Saying this is shonen is not any kind of excuse. Other shows have developed females a lot better with these titles. Its not like there weren't oppertunities to make to her better.
Let me ask you a question;

Did you see any posts or threads made about Sakura's character in a negative light from the likes of Radon, AHK, PawsX, Chatte, (those type of people) before the last two chapters?

Be honest now.
 

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Actually the hate for Sakura is very reasonable and not really just made up. As a heroine she should have played a far bigger role than she was given. Saying this is shonen is not any kind of excuse. Other shows have developed females a lot better with these titles. Its not like there weren't oppertunities to make to her better.
So is for Hinata. Yet you defend her vehemently.
 

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Sakura is insane. Even after years of verbal assaults, domestic violence and now neglect, she still fiends for Sasuke's love.

By far the worst character in the manga and one of the worst female characters in all of fiction. Is this the example you all want your daughters to follow?
 
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Nope they have always supported her before that.
That's the point.

Look at that Shaz? Really look at it.

Do you see that as them "finally seeing some supposed light"?
OR
Do you see it as them being EXTREMELY salty because their ending didn't happen?

How can you ignore the pitfalls of a character for 698 chapters, but only have a problem with her for the last 2?
Does that make sense to you?
 

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That's the point.

Look at that Shaz? Really look at it.

Do you see that as them "finally seeing some supposed light"?
OR
Do you see it as them being EXTREMELY salty because their ending didn't happen?

How can you ignore the pitfalls of a character for 698 chapters, but only have a problem with her for the last 2?
Does that make sense to you?
Nope it does not. And its not hard to see the change in there behavior. It looks like they liked Sakura only for NaruSaku reasons.

I on the other hand did not always like Sakura.
 

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The fact that we almost never saw any more character development after Sakura's bout with Sasori spelled out her doom. Even if Sakura never got together with Sauske, we'd complain how she literally became another Tsunade, in both powers and lifestyle.

At the very least, this is character development for Sauske, who finally shows that he is capable of loving someone other than blood relations (and even then he wanted to kill his brother for the longest time).

I don't believe Sauske ever really hated Sakura, but he did find it laughable (in both Naruto and Sakura's desire to save him) and illogical considering the things he had done. And given how efficient Sauske is in life, he simply proceeds to cut out whatever is illogical (or tries to anyway).
 

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Sakura is insane. Even after years of verbal assaults, domestic violence and now neglect, she still fiends for Sasuke's love.

By far the worst character in the manga and one of the worst female characters in all of fiction. Is this the example you all want your daughters to follow?
Domestic violence, verbal abuse? What are you smoking, Vapid?

Than also hate the rest of K-11 since Kishi never bothered to develop them.
They were not Naruto's lovers, and Neji puts the majority of Naruto characters to shame, including Naruto.
 

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Sasuke after the massacre is different from Sasuke of pre-massacre. It did not help that people spoiled a child for having a Sharigan by giving Him too much of the wrong attention. The village made Sasuke the spoiled brat He became till Naruto beat some sense in Him. One boy was spoiled the other was neglected,yet it was the neglected boy that saved the spoiled brat.
 

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Nope it does not. And its not hard to see the change in there behavior. It looks like they liked Sakura only for NaruSaku reasons.

I on the other hand did not always like Sakura.
Exactly.

That's my problem with the Sakura hate.
The rest of forum (You, Lady B, FOH, UB etc) ALWAYS had a problem with Sakura's character and no matter what happened in those last 2 chapters, those opinions you guys held weren't just gonna magically change, because they were issues you had for a long time and that's fine because you had a problem with how she was written, not about who she would let get in her pants.

That's why when you guys criticize her, I see no problem with it, because you've always felt that way.

The group of chumps I named (Yeah, I'm calling them chumps), would sit here day in and day out and defend Sakura vehemently, ignoring all her faults (Hell, I bet you could read some of their crap in the pairing thread) because all they cared about was a stupid pairing war.

Don't classify them as Sakura fans. They never were. They know nothing of her character and their attitudes and quick change in opinions on the character prove that.
 

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They were not Naruto's lovers, and Neji puts the majority of Naruto characters to shame, including Naruto.
Almost everyone in this manga is a Naruto lover I don't see your point? But you said you hate Hinata cause she was poorly developed. Well so was the rest of K-11. That is not hard to see.
 

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Good day people.

OT: Sakura is a mediocre character, regardless of pairings. Even if she ended up with Naruto or someone else, I would still consider her character to be underwhelming.
 
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Exactly.

That's my problem with the Sakura hate.
The rest of forum (You, Lady B, FOH, UB etc) ALWAYS had a problem with Sakura's character and no matter what happened in those last 2 chapters, those opinions you guys held weren't just gonna magically change, because they were issues you had for a long time and that's fine because you had a problem with how she was written, not about who she would let get in her pants.

That's why when you guys criticize her, I see no problem with it, because you've always felt that way.

The group of chumps I named (Yeah, I'm calling them chumps), would sit here day in and day out and defend Sakura vehemently, ignoring all her faults (Hell, I bet you could read some of their crap in the pairing thread) because all they cared about was a stupid pairing war.

Don't classify them as Sakura fans. They never were. They know nothing of her character and their attitudes and quick change in opinions on the character prove that.
LOL. I stated many many many many many many times before that if Sakura ended with Sasuke her character would be ruined so go eat shit bro.
 

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Almost everyone in this manga is a Naruto lover I don't see your point? But you said you hate Hinata cause she was poorly developed. Well so was the rest of K-11. That is not hard to see.
I mean lover in a literal sense. Someone who would bring his bed joy. Titillate his senses. Bear him two children after saturation. Get it now?

Shikamaru and his team got pretty good development for side characters. It was only Hinata and his team that always had little value in the plot.
 
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