Naruto's only "nerf" was chakra exhaustion.

[Crossroads]

It was against Sasuke?

But Hans! Where were the Biju during the fight? Why didn't we see the nine Biju Rasenshuriken that Naruto used against Kaguya?!

Simple. Every time Naruto used one of the Biju's chakra, he's had to communicate with one of the Biju and ask for it's chakra to be lent out to him. For Naruto to use the Biju's chakra, he has to be lent the power. EX:

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In the last panel, they're all agreeing and saying yes in compliance to Naruto asking for their chakra. It's a joint effort. Now, how exactly is Naruto supposed to communicate with the Biju if they're under Sasuke's genjutsu? Hmm?Important questions!​

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[Stark]

i think the poster was refering to the fight with sasuke not kaguya

It was against Sasuke?

Matters not, the result would be the same and it would be a 10v1 instead of a 2v1. Shame that those claim that Naruto solo'd despite

>having the assistance of 9 entities
>a EMS/Rinnengan user that saved his ass on multiple occassions
>asspull brilliant medic/tank
>Kakashi with his random PS

Naruto didn't have the other 8 tailed beasts against Sasuke but their chakra is still technically melded into his, meaning their chakra gauges are one with his, despite him not using their individual powers they were still partially within him. Naruto didn't use their power but Sasuke didn't use any other hax Rinnengan techniques such as Shinra Tensei, Chibaku Tensei directed at Naruto, and creation of all things using Rinnengan, which is one of the most hax jutsu to date. Both were held back somewhat but Sasuke was held back the most. God knows how many times Sasuke could have hit Naruto with Amataratsu whistle he was on the ground groveling in the dirt.

 

[Umari Senju]

Matters not, the result would be the same and it would be a 10v1 instead of a 2v1. Shame that those claim that Naruto solo'd despite

>having the assistance of 9 entities
>a EMS/Rinnengan user that saved his ass on multiple occassions
>asspull brilliant medic/tank
>Kakashi with his random PS

Naruto didn't have the other 8 tailed beasts against Sasuke but their chakra is still technically melded into his, meaning their chakra gauges are one with his, despite him not using their individual powers they were still partially within him. Naruto didn't use their power but Sasuke didn't use any other hax Rinnengan techniques such as Shinra Tensei, Chibaku Tensei directed at Naruto, and creation of all things using Rinnengan, which is one of the most hax jutsu to date. Both were held back somewhat but Sasuke was held back the most. God knows how many times Sasuke could have hit Naruto with Amataratsu whistle he was on the ground groveling in the dirt.

OP asked that we keep the trolling to a minimum XD

 

[Apêx1]

Good thread brah, this one was much needed imo.
Lol @ chakra arms not being used=nerf. Last I checked Sasuke's PS chakra arm was nearly as larg as BSM avatar's body.

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Naruto had all the chakra of the Bijuu along with Rikudo's chakra in the avatar, since his avatar combines his own chakra with Kurama's, in this case, Rikudo's, his, and all the Bijuu. Saying it was BM like everyone seems to be claiming is pure wank.

And the final retarded fallacy is Naruto's last attack not being his strongest. It's the first time an excess of Nature energy was ever generated and he collected all Nature energy available, or in other words, more then ever before. He was capable of destroying Naruto's BSM cloak and Sasuke's Bijuu PS, so it's energy per area is by far the greatest.

 

[shadowcb]

OP, you are wrong. When Naruto was using the 9 tails chakra during the beginning of the war him and the 9 tails were on bad terms and not communicating.

Sage stated all the tail beast chakra and the rinnegan was needed to cancel IT. When Naruto used all the tails beast chakra to help cancel IT he never communicated with the tails beast.

The reason Kishi showed Naruto communicating with the tails beast when he used their chakra during his battle against Madara and Kaguya was to show us that Naruto is capable of cooperating with all tails beast.

The tails beast he was communicating with during his battle against Madara and Kaguya was the tails beast that formed from their chakra Naruto possessed inside his body. He was not communicating with the tails beast that were sealed inside Madara. It's similar to how he was able to communicate with his father and mother through their chakra he possessed even though they were both dead.

Matters not, the result would be the same and it would be a 10v1 instead of a 2v1. Shame that those claim that Naruto solo'd despite

>having the assistance of 9 entities
>a EMS/Rinnengan user that saved his ass on multiple occassions
>asspull brilliant medic/tank
>Kakashi with his random PS

Naruto didn't have the other 8 tailed beasts against Sasuke but their chakra is still technically melded into his, meaning their chakra gauges are one with his, despite him not using their individual powers they were still partially within him. Naruto didn't use their power but Sasuke didn't use any other hax Rinnengan techniques such as Shinra Tensei, Chibaku Tensei directed at Naruto, and creation of all things using Rinnengan, which is one of the most hax jutsu to date. Both were held back somewhat but Sasuke was held back the most. God knows how many times Sasuke could have hit Naruto with Amataratsu whistle he was on the ground groveling in the dirt.

That's still a 1 vs 1 battle and that's manga fact. The tails beast power counts as Naruto's power. It's no different than using summonings during battle.

Naruto held back more than Sasuke. Sasuke was trying to kill Naruto, but Naruto just wanted to knock some scene into Sasuke.

 

[AlphaScythian]

This thread is devastating for nardo fanboys. Good job.

I wish you added that senjutu kurama asspull but its great already

 

[shadowcb]

This thread is devastating for nardo fanboys. Good job.

I wish you added that senjutu kurama asspull but its great already

How? He hasn't provided any proof. Naruto used all the tails beast chakra to help cancel the IT without communicating with the tails beast. The tails beast weren't freed until after the IT was canceled -

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[Umari Senju]

This thread is devastating for nardo fanboys. Good job.

I wish you added that senjutu kurama asspull but its great already

See OP this is what I was talking about earlier. :vincent:

Not your fault. I know your intent was to defuse some of the nerf logic (which don't get me wrong you did a good job with) but this is the result of your hard work.

 

[Crossroads]

OP, you are wrong. When Naruto was using the 9 tails chakra during the beginning of the war him and the 9 tails were on bad terms and not communicating. Sage stated all the tail beast chakra and the rinnegan was needed to cancel IT. When Naruto used all the tails beast chakra to help cancel IT he never communicated with the tails beast.

Yes. Because Naruto totally cancelled IT by himself? Yeah, no.​

The reason Kishi showed Naruto communicating with the tails beast when he used their chakra during his battle against Madara and Kaguya was to show us that Naruto is capable of cooperating with all tails beast.

The tails beast he was communicating with during his battle against Madara and Kaguya was the tails beast that formed from their chakra Naruto possessed inside his body. He was not communicating with the tails beast that were sealed inside Madara. It's similar to how he was able to communicate with his father and mother through their chakra he possessed even though they were both dead.

All of this is completely biased so I'm just gonna ignore it.​

 

[AlphaScythian]

See OP this is what I was talking about earlier. :vincent:

Not your fault. I know your intent was to defuse some of the nerf logic (which don't get me wrong you did a good job with) but this is the result of your hard work.

Lol and what did i say so outrageous to you?

The nerfbat did hit sasuke too you know?

How? He hasn't provided any proof. Naruto used all the tails beast chakra to help cancel the IT without communicating with the tails beast. The tails beast weren't freed until after the IT was canceled -

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Who said bijuus chakra was of importance in braking IT? Did i miss something?

 

[southern sun]

Good thread brah, this one was much needed imo.
Lol @ chakra arms not being used=nerf. Last I checked Sasuke's PS chakra arm was nearly as larg as BSM avatar's body.

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Size not equals usefulness, noob. Naruto's chakra arms delivered more damage onto Kaguya than all Sasuke's jutsu

Matters not, the result would be the same and it would be a 10v1 instead of a 2v1. Shame that those claim that Naruto solo'd despite

>having the assistance of 9 entities
>a EMS/Rinnengan user that saved his ass on multiple occassions
>asspull brilliant medic/tank
>Kakashi with his random PS
Naruto didn't use their power but Sasuke didn't use any other hax Rinnengan techniques such as Shinra Tensei, Chibaku Tensei directed at Naruto, and creation of all things using Rinnengan, which is one of the most hax jutsu to date.

1. Having bijuus assistance part of jinchuuriki power/skills so GTFO
2. Give me a scan where Sasuke save Naruto against Kaguya
3.Agree
4.Agree
5. You should reread Pain arc. Even 8-tails (not BM or even KCM ) enoug to deal with Shinra Tensei and Chibaku Tensei
6. Sasuke doesn't have COAT, he just have yin-yang release.

 

[Crossroads]

2. Give me a scan where Sasukee save Naruto against Kaguya

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[BLAZE]

it was good read cross.+ rep
i will keep out fanwar though

 

[shadowcb]

Yes. Because Naruto totally cancelled IT by himself? Yeah, no.​

Naruto and Sasuke worked together to cancel IT. Naruto used all the tails beast chakra to help cancel the IT without communicating with the tails beast. The tails beast weren't freed until after the IT was canceled -

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Sage even stated the tails beast weren't needed to cancel IT because Naruto possessed all their chakra -

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I have proven you wrong. PERIOD

All of this is completely biased so I'm just gonna ignore it.​

It's not bias. There's fact to support my claim. Naruto was able to meet his mother because his father place some of her chakra in him -

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Here Naruto is meeting his mother that formed from her chakra he possess -

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[Crossroads]

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Naruto and Sasuke worked together to cancel IT. Naruto used all the tails beast chakra to help cancel the IT without communicating with the tails beast. The tails beast weren't freed until after the IT was canceled -

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Sage even stated the tails beast weren't needed to cancel IT because Naruto possessed all their chakra -

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I have proven you wrong. PERIOD



It's not bias. There's fact to support my claim. Naruto was able to meet his mother because his father place some of her chakra in him -

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Here Naruto is meeting his mother that formed from her chakra he possess -

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You've proven nothing wrong, imbecile. The VIZ translations are different and official. Bring me those scans, if you can.

The first scan you posted proves nothing at all. You do realize that for you to prove me wrong with a manga scan, it actually has to have some relevance to your argument? Your reading comprehension is lacking, severely. So, Minato, the supposed master when it came to Uzumaki related seals, is your argument for this? The manga has proven that every time Naruto's taken or used their chakra, they've had to agree. It's a joint effort and the manga suggests so.

When the Sage said that Naruto already had the power (the Biju's chakra) to undo IT with Sasuke's help, the Biju weren't under Sasuke's genjutsu at the time. So that argument is completely moot. Naruto needed the assistance of Sasuke.

Manga> Your flawed interpretation.​

 

[V h o]

You do raise a good point, on the bijuu being under sasuke's genjutsu. I wonder if the bijuu were conscious when they were inside Kaguya/madara Zzz

 

[shadowcb]

You've proven nothing wrong, imbecile. The VIZ translations are different and official. Bring me those scans, if you can.

The first scan you posted proves nothing at all. You do realize that for you to prove me wrong with a manga scan, it actually has to have some relevance to your argument? Your reading comprehension is lacking, severely. So, Minato, the supposed master when it came to Uzumaki related seals, is your argument for this? The manga has proven that every time Naruto's taken or used their chakra, they've had to agree. It's a joint effort and the manga suggests so.

When the Sage said that Naruto already had the power (the Biju's chakra) to undo IT with Sasuke's help, the Biju weren't under Sasuke's genjutsu at the time. So that argument is completely moot. Naruto needed the seal.

Manga> Your flawed interpretation.​

I don't have those scans, but that doesn't change the fact you are wrong. You are the one who lacks comprehension. Just because the manga has shown at times Naruto and tails beast cooperating when Naruto uses their chakra doesn't mean they always how to cooperate for him to use their chakra. The point the manga was making was Naruto is the one way in the manga who all the tails beast are willing to cooperate with.

There are examples of people using the tails beast chakra without the taisl beast agreeing
- When Naruto was learning to create a beast ball for the first time him and the 9 tails were not on good terms.
- Ginkaku and Kinkaku gained the 9 tails chakra from eating his meat and they weren't showed communicating with the 9 tails when they used his chakra
- when Naruto used all their chakra to helped cancel IT

When the tail beast were free Sage himself stated the tails beast were not needed to help cancel IT because Naruto possess all their chakra. The 9 tails beast asked him if they were needed.

It sound like to me you are trying to clam when Sasuke and Naruto canceled IT Sasuke used his powers to force the tails beast to help which is BS. The one and only time Sasuke has used his powers to control the tails beast chakra the manga clearly showed him us -

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When Naruto and Sasuke canceled IT there was no indication that Sasuke was controlling the tails beast to help.

 

[Seventh Sama]

There's no such thing as nerf tho.

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[Xāvî1]

Naruto Soloed Juubito and Kaguya, stay mad now.

I can't believe Kishi did this to sauce, saucez failed all his attempts against kaguya, got teleported away like a noob and everyone had to waste energy to bring him bad for him to do nothing LOL

Edit: LOL last time I checked black zetsu was about to rape Saucez too if it wasn't for naruto's strong will

I forgot about that!! U_U

 

[Dragon Master]

Naruto was exhausted because he used too much chakra during the war (White Zetsu clones, Edos, Madara, Obito, Juubi).

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