Deidara & Obito vs Minato & Tobirama

[KameSennin]

Minato & Tobirama will win

 

[Zexion~]

Minato and Tobirama win this,

--With edos under tobiramaas control, means that tobirama uses his GKF to eradicate deidara, and with minato having the summons such as gamabunta to close the distance also allows him to crush deidara with Food Cart Destroyer, or allow either of the hokage to mark him

--Obito is non factor here, he stands no chance against either of the hokage, his Kamui is slower than FTG nor is he reacting to FTG, he gets marked the moment he solidifies to attack, as once that happens hes done for

--Full info confirms the hokages win even more,

Using explosions to take out Deidara come on just hearing that should tell you its not happening? Deidara's bird can outflie any explosions especially one he already knows about ? Not to mention I'm not seeing how they're even reaching him >.> Kamui is slower to FTG sure, add in land mines and its a whole new level of restriction for Minato

 

[ARGUS]

All useless witch is about to be proven by my giving arguments.

Lol ok then

Gamabunta doesnt help land a thing Gamabunta jumps up deidara fly down or simply stays out of Bunta's jumping range

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How does this prove anything,

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, he can very easily stay close to deidara, and then allow the hokages to land their blows on him
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and these bullets were

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I still dont see how gamabunta helps really he will not be willing to risk his life to use a pointless tech he will need to catch deidara or will need to atleast land one paper bomb on Deidara in that isnt happening Deidara bombs can intercept them blowing them up before he can fully use the jutsu furthermore when one bomb hits the edo they explode in Tobirama's face considering they have burnt tags all through they're bodies. If Deidara cannot get out of the range Tobirama doesnt either unless he wants to risk himself

Minato can use FCD on deidara and he gets crushed,

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, the same way he managed to hold down kyuubi with it, despite it being several meters away from him,

and deidara is not dodging it either, unless you think that hes faster than a summoning jutsu Lol,

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and how exactly is tobirama risking his life in-order to use GKF?
once the distance is closed, the edos summon their paper tags and can form a chain of explosions, deidara ''intercepting'' GKF is laughable when all it will do is form an even bigger explosion, ensuring that deidara gets caught within its vicinity

and Lol at Tobirama dying to GKF? Lol hes not stupid to let himself get killed by his own attack please stop this BS,
because thats like saying deidara dies after using C3 or C4, Lol

obito could also warp on deiara bird and roast Gamabunta trying to jump to Deidara.

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, or can simply jump around it, to evade it, which as shown above he can certainly do so,
or minato can simply use FCD to slam gamabunta right on deidaras head, and intercept obitos katon, as he is not using intangiblity and katon at the same time

1. It lands on whatever it is summoned above or on top of
2. The jutsu is not landing on someone miles in the sky

FCD is a summoning jutsu, minato can land it whereever he wants to,
and at the bold - Lol, please stop, because if deidara attempts to fly ''miles'' above then all hes having is breathing problems,

Deidara being that high could easily fly down then around the toad bombing while doing so Food cart is not a question in this matchup.

FCD is still faster than Deidaras attacks thats for sure,
and Deidara coming closer to attack would just result in him getting nuked by GKF

Stop stop your horrible at debating FTG users you act as if your not as fast as FTG witch no one is your not touching them.

One touch from Minato or Tobirama and both of them get marked,
once they get marked they are done for,

Obito can easily touch them he after all his mokuton

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Minato and Tobirama can very easily react to MS obito when

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, and when tobirama reacted to juubito, tagged him 5 times and even marked him, therefore he reacts to MS obito with utmost ease as well,

so even if he attempts to warp them, they simply use FTG to evade it with utmost ease, and any other jutsu such as Mokuton etc, are too slow for them therefore they evade it much easily

he easily rushes them or constantly shoot mokuton spikes from his body

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would make it nigh impossible to attack him they're not bypassing his Katon Aoe either.

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furthermore he also has to solidify in-order to land his mokuton spikes which are also slower than Kamui,
furthermore with Minato and Tobiramas sensing here, once obito solidifies, they would be able to sense his chakra, and him attempting to counterattack with mokuton spikes would just yeild him in getting marked, when he did despite using kamui, which is much much fastter than mere mokuton spikes

Obito could easily fight distance they're never tagging him as they wont know witch parts

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meaning they would not be so quick to attack when they know a wood spikes could easily get them also tagging spiral zetsu obito is useless that part breaks off and is replaced with new Mokuton.

Doesnt matter,
whenever obito comes up close to attack them, he gets marked, when he did so despite using kamui which is much much faster than mere mokuton attacks,

his reflexes and speed are slower than minato and tobirama, and now that they have intel on his jutsus as well as the fact that they have KB on the agenda means that he gets wrrecked rather easily,

and come on man, @Bold - why on earth would they be not quick to attack when minato did so despite obito using kamui and tobirama attacked juubito who is leagues above a mere mokuton attack,

Kage bushin are tooken out with giant katon with shurikens simple to

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Shurikens are easily evaded, katons are either evaded through using FTG to teleport behind obito, or they are countered by gamabuntas water cannons,

or over the tide of the battle, minato and tobirama can just use their KB to place markings outside its AOE and evade it with ease

Once genjutsu is place Obito would make the frog dodge all the efforts to try to rescue it or just make it kills itself also its speculation that partner method could work when obito is notorious for putting a perfect jin under his control for long periodes of times. Bunta is killed off easily by either one i already shitted on the food cart argument read above.

Umm no,
Tobirama and Minato are sensors, they would be able to sense the disturbance in chakra and use the kai seal to release the genjutsu, with utmost ease, its not doing shit here,

Using explosions to take out Deidara come on just hearing that should tell you its not happening?

Since when has deidara been immune to explosions?
he can get killed by explosions just fine

Deidara's bird can outflie any explosions especially one he already knows about ? Not to mention I'm not seeing how they're even reaching him >.>

Gamabunta helps them close the distance just fine,
FCD crushes deidara rather easily when he wont be able to react to a summoning jutsu, or Gamabunta can be used to allow the hokages to close the distance as well, similar to how hebi sasuke did in canon

Kamui is slower to FTG sure, add in land mines and its a whole new level of restriction for Minato

again, land mines need prep to form, by that time, deidara is getting pressured by gamabunta or most likely crushed by FCD,
furthermore minato and tobirama cna use their KB to place markings well outside the AOE of both their attacks therefore allowing them to evade their attacks rather easily

 

[Xlad]

Team 2 should take this one.

 

[maniaoqan]

Minato can use FCD on deidara and he gets crushed,

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, the same way he managed to hold down kyuubi with it, despite it being several meters away from him,

That scan proves nothing bro. On that scan Minato when he was away from Kyuubi doesn't uses his jutsu. Usage of jutsu shown without Minato shown any hand sign either, does that mean Minato doesn't require hand signs ? Of course not.

When using summoning technique these appears on below casters hand.

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That marking is not for show you know, it is a medium that signals the location that summon will appear to. Just like Minato's FTG markings that summons appear to that marks. So the scan you showed is actually Minato flashed or shunshined to (which one I can't tell since it was off screen) above of Kyuubi than used his jutsu.

So Minato can't caught Deidara with FCD by suprise from miles away.

 

[Zexion~]

Lol ok then

How does this prove anything,

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, he can very easily stay close to deidara, and then allow the hokages to land their blows on him
and

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and these bullets were

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Minato can use FCD on deidara and he gets crushed,

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, the same way he managed to hold down kyuubi with it, despite it being several meters away from him,

and deidara is not dodging it either, unless you think that hes faster than a summoning jutsu Lol,

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and how exactly is tobirama risking his life in-order to use GKF?
once the distance is closed, the edos summon their paper tags and can form a chain of explosions, deidara ''intercepting'' GKF is laughable when all it will do is form an even bigger explosion, ensuring that deidara gets caught within its vicinity

and Lol at Tobirama dying to GKF? Lol hes not stupid to let himself get killed by his own attack please stop this BS,
because thats like saying deidara dies after using C3 or C4, Lol

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, or can simply jump around it, to evade it, which as shown above he can certainly do so,
or minato can simply use FCD to slam gamabunta right on deidaras head, and intercept obitos katon, as he is not using intangiblity and katon at the same time


FCD is a summoning jutsu, minato can land it whereever he wants to,
and at the bold - Lol, please stop, because if deidara attempts to fly ''miles'' above then all hes having is breathing problems,


FCD is still faster than Deidaras attacks thats for sure,
and Deidara coming closer to attack would just result in him getting nuked by GKF


One touch from Minato or Tobirama and both of them get marked,
once they get marked they are done for,


Minato and Tobirama can very easily react to MS obito when

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, and when tobirama reacted to juubito, tagged him 5 times and even marked him, therefore he reacts to MS obito with utmost ease as well,

so even if he attempts to warp them, they simply use FTG to evade it with utmost ease, and any other jutsu such as Mokuton etc, are too slow for them therefore they evade it much easily

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furthermore he also has to solidify in-order to land his mokuton spikes which are also slower than Kamui,
furthermore with Minato and Tobiramas sensing here, once obito solidifies, they would be able to sense his chakra, and him attempting to counterattack with mokuton spikes would just yeild him in getting marked, when he did despite using kamui, which is much much fastter than mere mokuton spikes


Doesnt matter,
whenever obito comes up close to attack them, he gets marked, when he did so despite using kamui which is much much faster than mere mokuton attacks,

his reflexes and speed are slower than minato and tobirama, and now that they have intel on his jutsus as well as the fact that they have KB on the agenda means that he gets wrrecked rather easily,

and come on man, @Bold - why on earth would they be not quick to attack when minato did so despite obito using kamui and tobirama attacked juubito who is leagues above a mere mokuton attack,


Shurikens are easily evaded, katons are either evaded through using FTG to teleport behind obito, or they are countered by gamabuntas water cannons,

or over the tide of the battle, minato and tobirama can just use their KB to place markings outside its AOE and evade it with ease


Umm no,
Tobirama and Minato are sensors, they would be able to sense the disturbance in chakra and use the kai seal to release the genjutsu, with utmost ease, its not doing shit here,


Since when has deidara been immune to explosions?
he can get killed by explosions just fine


Gamabunta helps them close the distance just fine,
FCD crushes deidara rather easily when he wont be able to react to a summoning jutsu, or Gamabunta can be used to allow the hokages to close the distance as well, similar to how hebi sasuke did in canon


again, land mines need prep to form, by that time, deidara is getting pressured by gamabunta or most likely crushed by FCD,
furthermore minato and tobirama cna use their KB to place markings well outside the AOE of both their attacks therefore allowing them to evade their attacks rather easily

FCD is only usable when above the user, Bunta was taken out by a ST exploding clay clone can easily deal with him. Again I'm rusty refresh my memory if sensors can sense Deidara's clay clones? Its faked 3 of the best visual sensors in Neji,Sasuke and Kakashi they won't know until its too late. Second the mines really don't take time at all and with Obito here they're displayed in seconds and any one of them KO's any boss toad. Deidara was able to react to Gaara's Shukaku sand just fine bunta isn't surprising anyone once he see's the toad he knows whats coming and moves up higher, Don't forget Obito is here as well a big target is easy to warp

 

[BenjerminGaye]

FCD is only usable when above the user, Bunta was taken out by a ST exploding clay clone can easily deal with him. Again I'm rusty refresh my memory if sensors can sense Deidara's clay clones? Its faked 3 of the best visual sensors in Neji,Sasuke and Kakashi they won't know until its too late. Second the mines really don't take time at all and with Obito here they're displayed in seconds and any one of them KO's any boss toad. Deidara was able to react to Gaara's Shukaku sand just fine bunta isn't surprising anyone once he see's the toad he knows whats coming and moves up higher, Don't forget Obito is here as well a big target is easy to warp

yet in all 3 ocassaions of when it was used the user was below....

 

[Unorthodox]

How does this prove anything,

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, he can very easily stay close to deidara, and then allow the hokages to land their blows on him
and

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and these bullets were

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Gamabunta cannot not stay close when he is jumping it is scientifically impossible for him to do so he will always have to land back to the ground giving Deidara a chance to make the distance even further. Using The shukaku scan to support your argument is piss poor since Deidara uses Guided

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this scan shows that Deidara always explode his bombs before actual contact is made making it ultimately harder to evade and if Gamabunta jumps its over considering he can do anything while in mid air his suiton is easily dodged by the bombs aswell. Deidara bird could aslo fly down left to right etc while Bunta chasing a flyer on can jump one direction in thats straight up or he could leap forward either way he's not much of a factor when it comes to catching Deidara on a bird.

Minato can use FCD on deidara and he gets crushed,

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, the same way he managed to hold down kyuubi with it, despite it being several meters away from him,
and deidara is not dodging it either, unless you think that hes faster than a summoning jutsu Lol,

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Are you dumb Food cart destroyer does not spawn out of mid air they're is no implication it does either the user clearly needs

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unless you think Minato also spawned out of thin air above Kurama because if Minato could do this i think it would have been pretty useful for him to use against juubito especially since they kept attacking from the same place. Deidara does not need to be faster than a summoing look at it like this. Deidara is 200 feet in the sky Minato uses his so called spawn out of thin air food cart it has to fall on Deidara first but Deidara could fly downward then fly from underneath a falling Bunta bombing him on his way out. Using sai is completely irrelevant since Deidara was reckless and over confident and since Deidara has never been caught off guard but such attacks ever until that very moment also its been confirmed multiply times that characters are much more careless when they're edos because of its immortal properties. Yes Deidara struggled against hebi Sasuke speed on foot he starts in the air a struggle is not happening here.

nd how exactly is tobirama risking his life in-order to use GKF?
once the distance is closed, the edos summon their paper tags and can form a chain of explosions, deidara ''intercepting'' GKF is laughable when all it will do is form an even bigger explosion, ensuring that deidara gets caught within its vicinity
and Lol at Tobirama dying to GKF? Lol hes not stupid to let himself get killed by his own attack please stop this BS,
because thats like saying deidara dies after using C3 or C4, Lol

If tobirama keeps trying to add paper tags to the jutsu he dies im done going over the GKF argument with you its never land weather the distance is closed or not he will have to get an edo on Deidara's bird for him to even catch deidara in the first place Deidara is also fast enough to go up or down to swerve the hole GKF explosion all together the jutsu is utter useless against him or Obito could warp Deidara out of the mess either way it causes no problems for the latter not one bit.

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, or can simply jump around it, to evade it, which as shown above he can certainly do so,
or minato can simply use FCD to slam gamabunta right on deidaras head, and intercept obitos katon, as he is not using intangiblity and katon at the same time

Not even close his water cannonballs are not even the size of his own body let alone finding off a fire thats V2 juubi size in comparison

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Gyuki could fit inside V2 juubi's mouth and Gyuki is roughly the size of bunta compared to juubi's head to the hole entire caton in thats what Gamabunta suiton canon balls would look like in comparison so no they get completely outmatched and turned to vapor while Bunta still gets roasted. Once again Food cart cannot spawn out of thin air also Obito could warp Deidara to safety Obito only needs a single limb in the real world to use his katon (He could use his lower face) Meaning Bunta isnt doing a thing also wood spikes would shish-ka-bob bunta's fat ass.

FCD is a summoning jutsu, minato can land it whereever he wants to,
and at the bold - Lol, please stop, because if deidara attempts to fly ''miles'' above then all hes having is breathing problems,

I explained why your little FCD argument is so off based. I did'nt literally mean miles just very high up.

FCD is still faster than Deidaras attacks thats for sure,
and Deidara coming closer to attack would just result in him getting nuked by GKF

Food cart is not faster than anything especially when its not landind. Why would Deidara need to come close to attack when his bombs are guided and follows the target the role your trying to give bunta here is not happening he is tooken out by a variety off combos/ways. Still using this GFK argument when it literally makes no sense when fighting someone like Deidara at all.

One touch from Minato or Tobirama and both of them get marked,
once they get marked they are done for

Thats why they dont get marked.

Minato and Tobirama can very easily react to MS obito when

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, and when tobirama reacted to juubito, tagged him 5 times and even marked him, therefore he reacts to MS obito with utmost ease as well,
so even if he attempts to warp them, they simply use FTG to evade it with utmost ease, and any other jutsu such as Mokuton etc, are too slow for them therefore they evade it much easily

Before i begin let me just say your the worst debater when its comes to Minato or Tobirama because you act as if your not as fast as FTG your not touching them so ill have to jump and stomp all over this petty argument you bring the ever Minato & Tobirama threads.

Minato reacting to kamui is completely irrelevant i already explained why he wont try to warp them. Tagging Juubito is not impressive since it was at the expense of his life if he was alive he would not have even lifted a single finger so i discard the feat completely when trying to support Tobirama especially when he was owned insanely bad by Madara when he attacked from the blind.

Here's a list of tech much slower than kamui that either of the duo could not react to

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these are examples of things not being able to outright blitz the ftg duo just outmaneuver them witch Obito has all the techs to do so.

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after knowing Obito's kamui trick he still charged him recklessly thinking he's to fast to be caught a single touch sends wood spikes through Minato's Hole body.

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furthermore he also has to solidify in-order to land his mokuton spikes which are also slower than Kamui,
furthermore with Minato and Tobiramas sensing here, once obito solidifies, they would be able to sense his chakra, and him attempting to counterattack with mokuton spikes would just yeild him in getting marked, when he did despite using kamui, which is much much fastter than mere mokuton spikes

Obito does not need direct contact

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he can use them as projectiles also nothing stomps Obito from constantly shooting Mokuton spikes throughout his Spiral zetsu Body. Obito needs a single limb out to attack probably needs less then that because his body is wrapped in spiral zetsu meaning on zetsu needs to be out in about. Minato or Tobirama's sensing skills are know where near that good to sense a single limb and even if they could sense a ounce of his chakra they cant pinpoint what limb is out and where im going to need feats of the they're sensing if your suggesting they could do that. Constantly shooting mokuton spikes puts them on guard 24/7 meaning they really cant attack him at all marking spiral zetsu is pointless since he could drop off the marked area and replace it with new mokuton you completely ignored that argument in my post.

Doesnt matter,
whenever obito comes up close to attack them, he gets marked, when he did so despite using kamui which is much much faster than mere mokuton attacks,

You literally just repeated yourself Obito could easily fake them out by phasing in and out like he did Danzo's pawns any marked area's are replaced with more mokuton.

his reflexes and speed are slower than minato and tobirama, and now that they have intel on his jutsus as well as the fact that they have KB on the agenda means that he gets wrrecked rather easily

He is still able to keep up juubi jin Madara was forced to use his 2nd fastest offensive attack to stop a whole body warp not even including the phasing kamui witch is all he needs here Kage bushin are mere fodder C3 explosions + Giant katon turns them to paste.

and come on man, @Bold - why on earth would they be not quick to attack when minato did so despite obito using kamui and tobirama attacked juubito who is leagues above a mere mokuton attack

Minato and Obito were both in a rush so they were going to base the fight off he could could attack whom faster in with Obito having zetsu as armor shooting deadly spikes means Minato ill not strike him so recklessly. Tobirama attacked Juubi knowing he was edo so he was not worried about dying meaning he could fight in such a way being leagues above a mokuton attack means nothing when the latter can still take his life.

Shurikens are easily evaded, katons are either evaded through using FTG to teleport behind obito, or they are countered by gamabuntas water cannons,
or over the tide of the battle, minato and tobirama can just use their KB to place markings outside its AOE and evade it with ease
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Again why would Obito use his katon when they have marking directly behind him it defeats the purpose of using the Aoe of his katon to bypass they're ftg range all Kunai are sucked underground by Mokuton. His katon utterly shits on Gamabunta's suiton cannons i already adressed this above also he could warp on top of bunta jab him with a mokuton spike or use his katon that way and again bunta's role is not that significant in this battle to where he would last even this long you keep bringing him up as a last ditch effort is funny. Obito could mayfly though spiral zetsu to pick off the kunai or deidara could blow the clones up before they could get outside the Aoe of the battlefield.

Obito and Deidara wins this med diff max

 

[TRE MERCER]

LMAO Kifflom ftg wank is to much... Deidara and Obito shits multiple people already explained...

 

[Zexion~]

yet in all 3 ocassaions of when it was used the user was below....

Except not?

 

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Gamabunta cannot not stay close when he is jumping it is scientifically impossible for him to do so he will always have to land back to the ground giving Deidara a chance to make the distance even further. Using The shukaku scan to support your argument is piss poor since Deidara uses Guided

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this scan shows that Deidara always explode his bombs before actual contact is made making it ultimately harder to evade and if Gamabunta jumps its over considering he can do anything while in mid air his suiton is easily dodged by the bombs aswell. Deidara bird could aslo fly down left to right etc while Bunta chasing a flyer on can jump one direction in thats straight up or he could leap forward either way he's not much of a factor when it comes to catching Deidara on a bird.

ill keep this short and simple,
--guided missiles are useless when we take something like FTG into play, since they will just lose complete sight of the hokage,
--minato tosses a kunai, near deidaras location, teleports right near his location, and blitzes him by a shoving a rasengan up his chest,

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, and he managed to toss a kunai before oncoming V2 Ays blitz from a relatively short distance,,, now we toss this up against

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and we get to the conclusion that he gets blitzed and KOd no diff,

--Deidara running away is also worse when Tobirama has the aid of 3 edos to execute GKF which blows him up to pieces, he wont be able to react to the oncoming kunai as stated above and once the attack is prepped deidara wont have the slightest chance of evading, as he gets blown up to pieces

--Deidara flying above is meaningless when all oof his bombs are evaded with no difficulty at all, whilst Obito is as good as nothing against either of the FTG users

Are you dumb Food cart destryer does not spawn out of mid air they're is no implication it does either the user clearly needs

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unless you think Minato also spawned out of thin air above Kurama because if Minato could do this i think it would have been pretty useful for him to use against juubito especially since they kept attacking from the same place. Deidara does not need to be faster than a summoing look at it like this. Deidara is 200 feet in the sky Minato uses his so called spawn out of thin air food cart it has to fall on Deidara first but Deidara could fly downward then fly from underneath a falling Bunta bombing him on his way out.

I am wel aware that FCD requires the user to be on top of the summon
however why cant FCD spawn out of mid air when we have seen in multiiple occassions that a user can summon whilst airborne

as for the Bold Lol thats probably the stupidest counter i have heard considering that deiidara would have no channce in evading bunta that just spawns instantly out of nowhere, hell he wont be even mentally reacting to it let alone have the brid speed to evade it

Using sai is completely irrelevant since Deidara was reckless and over confident and since Deidara has never been caught off guard but such attacks ever until that very moment also its been confirmed multiply times that characters are much more careless when they're edos because of its immortal properties. Yes Deidara struggled against hebi Sasuke speed on foot he starts in the air a struggle is not happening here.

Lol i cant even deal with the stupidity here,
Sai is irrelevant? How so? being over confident doesnt automaticallly decrease your reactions, he was blitzed plain and simple,
and as for deidara never been caught off guard? Lol i hope youre joking,
he was caught off guard 3 times against hebi sasuke, once against early part 2 naruto, once against sai, and once against team guy
now we have 2 people who are well well well above anyone listed above in speed and yet deidara isnt getting caught off guard? Lol please

If tobirama keeps trying to add paper tags to the jutsu he dies im done going over the GKF argument with you its never land weather the distance is closed or not he will have to get an edo on Deidara's bird for him to even catch deidara in the first place Deidara is also fast enough to go up or down to swerve the hole GKF explosion all together the jutsu is utter useless against him or Obito could warp Deidara out of the mess either way it causes no problems for the latter not one bit.

Lol, again ill keepp this simple,
>Tobirama/Minato toss a kunai, whilst the edo preps GKF,
>tobirama teleports the edo near deidaras location and makes it go off,
>the paper bombs multiplly immediately giving deidara no time to evade from that distance till he gets blown to pieces

as for Obito getting deiddara out, Lol that is probably the dumbest thing to do considering that he would have to solidify to do so, and doing so would catch him in the explosion as well, just how it was shown against konan

Not even close his water cannonballs are not even the size of his own body let alone finding off a fire thats V2 juubi size in comparison

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Gyuki could fit inside V2 juubi's mouth and Gyuki is roughly the size of bunta compared to juubi's head to the hole entire caton in thats what Gamabunta suiton canon balls would look like in comparison so no they get completely outmatched and turned to vapor while Bunta still gets roasted. Once again Food cart cannot spawn out of thin air also Obito could warp Deidara to safety Obito only needs a single limb in the real world to use his katon (He could use his lower face) Meaning Bunta isnt doing a thing also wood spikes would shish-ka-bob bunta's fat ass.

Lol the katon is a directional attack, its not doing shit here, the easiest counter to the katon is tossing a kunai vertially up in the air and teleporting to it,
Obito isnt using mokutton spikes and katon simultaneously,
both of which can get evaded by FTG, spreading clones around and scattering them across ensures that the original stays safe,

with cllones around, obito using katons is pretty dumb considering he has to solidify to do so and his entire back side gets exposed completely, and when we look at the fact that both minato and tobirama are clnoe users and would have markings spread out means that obito either gets marked and hiraishingirid/rasengand or his katon just gets evaded with only the clones geting caught

I explained why your little FCD argument is so off based. I did'nt literally mean miles just very high up.

FCD iisnt even thhe game changer

Food cart is not faster than anything especially when its not landind. Why would Deidara need to come close to attack when his bombs are guided and follows the target the role your trying to give bunta here is not happening he is tooken out by a variety off combos/ways. Still using this GFK argument when it literally makes no sense when fighting someone like Deidara at all.

already explained and already debunked

Thats why they dont get marked.

Once they close the distance (which they will) marking them both is pretty easy

Before i begin let me just say your the worst debater when its comes to Minato or Tobirama because you act as if your not as fast as FTG your not touching them so ill have to jump and stomp all over this petty argument you bring the ever Minato & Tobirama threads.

and youre the worst debater, period because you always let your heavy bias cloud your judgement
Except that is true,
if your attacks lack the AOE annd if minato/tobirama have the reactions superior to the uuser or to react to it than you are never touching them,
Obito vs Minato was a perfect example of that, he had Kamui which is ridiculously fast jutsu yet still failed since minato had the reactions above obitos and the second obito solidiified to attack, he ended up getting a rasengan shoved up his back

Minato reacting to kamui is completely irrelevant i already explained why he wont try to warp them.

Its relevant because obito isnt doing shit

Tagging Juubito is not impressive since it was at the expense of his life if he was alive he would not have even lifted a single finger so i discard the feat completely when trying to support Tobirama especially when he was owned insanely bad by Madara when he attacked from the blind.

except he tagged juubito over 3 times afterwards,,
and the bold just proves why i shouldnt waste time here considering how Juubito >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS Obito in every way shape or form, and how tagging juubito means that people like deidara (who struggled agianst hebi sasuke) and MS obito are trash

Here's a list of tech much slower than kamui that either of the duo could not react to

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these are examples of things not being able to outright blitz the ftg duo just outmaneuver them witch Obito has all the techs to do so.

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after knowing Obito's kamui trick he still charged him recklessly thinking he's to fast to be caught a single touch sends wood spikes through Minato's Hole body.

Lol youre wrong. again,
Madara tagged Tobirama because his reactions were well above TObiramas, its only that simple,
MS Obito and Deidara dont so that wont happen

Obito does not need direct contact

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he can use them as projectiles also nothing stomps Obito from constantly shooting Mokuton spikes throughout his Spiral zetsu Body.

And all of them are evaded no diff, still dont see why youre bringing themm up,

Obito needs a single limb out to attack probably needs less then that because his body is wrapped in spiral zetsu meaning on zetsu needs to be out in about. Minato or Tobirama's sensing skills are know where near that good to sense a single limb and even if they could sense a ounce of his chakra they cant pinpoint what limb is out and where im going to need feats of the they're sensing if your suggesting they could do that. Constantly shooting mokuton spikes puts them on guard 24/7 meaning they really cant attack him at all marking spiral zetsu is pointless since he could drop off the marked area and replace it with new mokuton you completely ignored that argument in my post.

I dont get a word of this BS, buut to make it simple,
all mokutons are evaded, constantly shooting mokuton spikes is something obito cant do and has never shown,

He is still able to keep up juubi jin Madara was forced to use his 2nd fastest offensive attack to stop a whole body warp not even including the phasing kamui witch is all he needs here Kage bushin are mere fodder C3 explosions + Giant katon turns them to paste.

C3 gets evaded, not seeing where the fuss is about, considering that minato formed all the markings around the entire juubi whilst being completely unnoticed,
he has clones here and has tobriama here, evading C3 and katons is a piss ease walk in the park

Minato and Obito were both in a rush so they were going to base the fight off he could could attack whom faster in with Obito having zetsu as armor shooting deadly spikes means Minato ill not strike him so recklessly.

Minato wont be the one who has to worry since he is faster than obito, and has diversions to ensure that obito gets hit from both ddirections,
zetsu armor isnt something that lets him tank rasengans with no damage,

Tobirama attacked Juubi knowing he was edo so he was not worried about dying meaning he could fight in such a way being leagues above a mokuton attack means nothing when the latter can still take his life.

not seeing how this argument holds any weight since juubito is soo much faster than these clowns

Again why would Obito use his katon when they have marking directly behind him it defeats the purpose of using the Aoe of his katon to bypass they're ftg range all Kunai are sucked underground by Mokuton. His katon utterly shits on Gamabunta's suiton cannons i already adressed this above also he could warp on top of bunta jab him with a mokuton spike or use his katon that way and again bunta's role is not that significant in this battle to where he would last even this long you keep bringing him up as a last ditch effort is funny. Obito could mayfly though spiral zetsu to pick off the kunai or deidara could blow the clones up before they could get outside the Aoe of the battlefield.

Lol katons are never doing shit in this battle,
Minato teleported the juubidama and spread all of his markings around the entire juubi (area much greater than the juubi) without anyone even noticing him,
now we have minato and his clones plus Tobirama adn his cllones, so please bring a better argument than deidara going 1000000m up in the sky or obito shooting infinite mokuton spikes and katons,

LMAO Kifflom ftg wank is to much... Deidara and Obito shits multiple people already explained...

Lol the only thing thats tooo much is your lack of understanding of FTG, and manga
Minato >> Obito
Tobirama >> Obito
Minato & Tobirama >>>> Deidara

 

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The only wank I see in this thread is that someone thinks 1 MS Obito stands a chance against Minato or Tobirama :lol
& Deidara? Fodder is fodder!
FTG duo shits & Obito is absolutely non-factor unless he can use SS.

 

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Lol the only thing thats tooo much is your lack of understanding of FTG, and manga
Minato >> Obito
Tobirama >> Obito
Minato & Tobirama >>>> Deidara
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Dude did you really just reply to an 8 month year old post? Lmao who rustled your Jimmies?​

 

[ARGUS]

Dude did you really just reply to an 8 month year old post? Lmao who rustled your Jimmies?​

Unorthodox called me out on it, and i clearly forgot/chose not to reply to his post
and bcz he thought he owned me, i decided to reply him back

 

[TRE MERCER]

Unorthodox called me out on it, and i clearly forgot/chose not to reply to his post
and bcz he thought he owned me, i decided to reply him back

Confirmed Unorthodox rustled you very good.​

 

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That scan proves nothing bro. On that scan Minato when he was away from Kyuubi doesn't uses his jutsu. Usage of jutsu shown without Minato shown any hand sign either, does that mean Minato doesn't require hand signs ? Of course not.

When using summoning technique these appears on below casters hand.

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That marking is not for show you know, it is a medium that signals the location that summon will appear to. Just like Minato's FTG markings that summons appear to that marks. So the scan you showed is actually Minato flashed or shunshined to (which one I can't tell since it was off screen) above of Kyuubi than used his jutsu.

So Minato can't caught Deidara with FCD by suprise from miles away.

Lol, try again:

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