Juubito vs. Gai

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Gai fists him. Too fast too strong too furious.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Obito shits he let's the Juubi out and it nukes the ground... It took multiple EE to break 1 TSB Obito can cover himself with all 6 rendering Gai arsenal moot... Or he could simply bring the god tree out and hide inside of it...

 

[ARGUS]

Guy win this mid diff at most

With guy being able to touch TSB means that the only thing holding him back is taken off.
Guy uses evening elephant and then murder blitzes juubito with NIght moth. And with juubitos durability being less than madaras means that unlike him. He dies

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito shits he let's the Juubi out and it nukes the ground... It took multiple EE to break 1 TSB Obito can cover himself with all 6 rendering Gai arsenal moot... Or he could simply bring the god tree out and hide inside of it...

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That's one direct hit buddy and the Shinju couldn't even catch Minato, Hashirama and Madara, Gai dances around it, everything else in your post is fanfic.

-Summoning Juubi?

-Hiding inside the Shinju?

Fanfic.

 

[Draphsin]

Okay TSBs don't kill on contact, doesn't mean they aren't still deadly. If obito does

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to his dome, gai can't get anywhere near it without being turned into a kebab.

EE needs to hit the TSB shield directly if gai wants to have any chance at breaking it. [

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] So if it's covered in spikes how does he do that?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Considering Madara took multiple beatings from Evening Elephant, took Lava Rasen Shuriken, while Obito got a hole put in him from Rasengan, and the fact that Madara was pretty durable even before becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, I'm going to ahead and say that Madara is more durable than Obito, thus Gai can actually kill him.

@Bold, and if Madara never counter Minato's Rasengan, in what suggestion you think the damage output wouldn't be the same as it did to Obito?

 

[LuckyMan]

@Bold, and if Madara never counter Minato's Rasengan, in what suggestion you think the damage output wouldn't be the same as it did to Obito?

Probably not. Narutos SR put a whole in Jubi Obito back. Ridoku Naruto/Sasuke Chidori Rasengan didn't even phase Jubi Madara, besides the stun effect of Magnet Style (Shukaku). His body was not breached whatsoever by either attack.

This is probably because of a number of things. One: Jubi Madara had Hashiramas SM power. Two: Jubi Madara had the whole Hachibi and half of the Kyuubi, something Jubi Obito didn't have. Three: When Nardo/Sauce did launch that combo attack mentioned above, he had absorbed the entire God Tree just before then claimed after that he was "truly immortal". Four: It could be another of Kishis great inconsistencies. For example. Gai needing 8th Gate just to damage Madaras torso but Sasuke chops him in half with his sword and made it look simple. Now we must ask ourselves, is Sasuke physically stronger than 8th Gate Gai?

Too many inconsistencies and for other reasons mentioned it will always end up with Jubi Madara being more durable than Jubi Obito.

 

[MadaraReturns]

@Bold, and if Madara never counter Minato's Rasengan, in what suggestion you think the damage output wouldn't be the same as it did to Obito?

because a senpou rasengan isnt as powerful he means

 

[KidGamer65]

@Bold, and if Madara never counter Minato's Rasengan, in what suggestion you think the damage output wouldn't be the same as it did to Obito?

Obito took a Rasengan, got a hole in his back.

JJ Madara took a Rasen Shuriken powered by Six Path's Sage Mode, and the Bijuu's chakra, yet he only got a deep gash in his midsection. Obito also got cut by EMS Sasuke and BSM Naruto's Avatar Combination.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Considering Gai Almost Killed JJ Madara Who Is Faster,Stronger & More Durable Than Juubito Then Gai Kills Him.

 

[Benjamin King]

Madara was stabbed open by a mere sword.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Obito took a Rasengan, got a hole in his back.

JJ Madara took a Rasen Shuriken powered by Six Path's Sage Mode, and the Bijuu's chakra, yet he only got a deep gash in his midsection. Obito also got cut by EMS Sasuke and BSM Naruto's Avatar Combination.

I already know all of this. Madara took stronger attacks then Juubito did. And the only reason why was because the opponents Madara were facing were stronger.

That isn't to say that this abc logic would work here. It was clear that Madara counter the Rasengan with SM. He shouldn't have been worried, if the Rasengan isn't going to phase him.

Madara was stabbed open by a mere sword.

A good example. Even though the sword isn't "mere" as it seems, its no stronger then a SM Rasengan.

 

[KidGamer65]

already know all of this. Madara took stronger attacks then Juubito did. And the only reason why was because the opponents Madara were facing were stronger.

Madara took stronger attacks, yet the gap in damage for those two and the gap in strength between the jutsu don't match up. If someone gets a hole drilled into their back with Rasengan, they aren't taking a normal Rasen Shuriken with moderate damage let alone an attack far above a normal Rasen Shuriken.

YRS>Senjutsu PS. Madara took that with a gash in his body, PS cut right through Obito.

That isn't to say that this abc logic would work here. It was clear that Madara counter the Rasengan with SM. He shouldn't have been worried, if the Rasengan isn't going to phase him.

1 hit of Evening Elephant didn't do much to him, yet he tried to stop him. Juubito easily shrugged off the Rasengan with his regenenration, does that mean thehy should let themselves get hit? Uh, no. So that's not any kind of evidence.

 

[Benjamin King]

A good example. Even though the sword isn't "mere" as it seems, its no stronger then a SM Rasengan.

I was debunking the durability comparison. Juubi's Jinchuuriki have equivalent durability.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Difficult to say. On one hand, being able to touch the orbs is a hindrance for Obito. On the other hand, Obito has his barriers and TBBS, and the holy tree. Guy could very well win this, but it won't be that easy.

 

[Inert Brian]

Gai goes 8 gates, kills Juubito and dies.

It's a draw

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Madara took stronger attacks, yet the gap in damage for those two and the gap in strength between the jutsu don't match up. If someone gets a hole drilled into their back with Rasengan, they aren't taking a normal Rasen Shuriken with moderate damage let alone an attack far above a normal Rasen Shuriken.

But Obito canonically did that. He took a Rasenshiruken+Enton, which this attack is much superior then SM Rasengan.

YRS>Senjutsu PS. Madara took that with a gash in his body, PS cut right through Obito.

I already agree that Madara took stronger attacks. That isn't to say the a weaker attack, augment with sage chakra, wouldn't do "nothing" to him, considering that Senjutsu is the Jinjiruki's weakness.

1 hit of Evening Elephant didn't do much to him, yet he tried to stop him. Juubito easily shrugged off the Rasengan with his regenenration, does that mean thehy should let themselves get hit? Uh, no. So that's not any kind of evidence.

Ok.

 

[Draphsin]

I have to agree with benjamin on this one, having more bijuu doesn't make you more durable, not when a regular sword impaled madara like butter.

The only thing that senjutsu does is make jutsus that a JJ was once immune to, actually have it's normal effect. When naruto hit obito with the rasengan it did just as much damage as any senjutsu enhanced rasengan would do to anyone, the reason why it did normal damage is because senjutsu removed obito's immunity to ninjutsu.

Manga specifically states that a juubi jin's weakness is either

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, because those are they only types of attacks that do normal damage to them, hence why the sword impaled madara easily & why naruto's rasengan did it's normal amount of damage.

All juubi jins share the same amount of durability, having more bijuu chakra doesn't make you more durable.

 

[KidGamer65]

But Obito canonically did that. He took a Rasenshiruken+Enton, which this attack is much superior then SM Rasengan.

He negated that. Only Senjutsu hurts the Jinchuuriki's body.

I already agree that Madara took stronger attacks. That isn't to say the a weaker attack, augment with sage chakra, wouldn't do "nothing" to him, considering that Senjutsu is the Jinjiruki's weakness.

Of course it'd do something to him, but pretty much everything I've stated over the last two posts shows that Madara is more durable.

I have to agree with benjamin on this one, having more bijuu doesn't make you more durable, not when a regular sword impaled madara like butter.

Sasuke's sword impaling Madara doesn't mean that Madara is as durable as Obito is.

The only thing that senjutsu does is make jutsus that a JJ was once immune to, actually have it's normal effect. When naruto hit obito with the rasengan it did just as much damage as any senjutsu enhanced rasengan would do to anyone, the reason why it did normal damage is because senjutsu removed obito's immunity to ninjutsu.

True. But not really relevant.

Manga specifically states that a juubi jin's weakness is either senjutsu or physical attacks, because those are they only types of attacks that do normal damage to them, hence why the sword impaled madara easily & why naruto's rasengan did it's normal amount of damage.

Same as above.

All juubi jins share the same amount of durability, having more bijuu chakra doesn't make you more durable.

Feats show otherwise. Based on Obito's performance against a Senpo Rasengan, a Senjutsu Enhanced FRS should tear him apart, let alone a Six Path's Sage Mode enhanced Lava Rasen Shuriken, yet Madara took that attack and only had moderate injuries. There is no way that him and Obito are as durable as each other. PS cut right through Obito, Naruto's YRS (Which bisected the Shinju) didn't cut through Madara's body.

 

[Bogard]

8 gated Gai isn't as fast as you people think he is. It's his taijutsu punches who are actually that fast. I see no reason why Jubito couldn't follow him when Minato, Lee, Gaara or Kakashi could. Sure the blast of his punches must surprise him at first though

Not to mention, the gudodamas already showed enough defensive capacity to block the air pressure of evening elephant. It even resisted senjutsu enhanced tailed beast bomb explosion. For Gai to actually even damage the gudodama, he would have to directly hit it and probably even using the final punch of the evening elephant sequence, not below that and the time he bypass the gudodama shield will not only slow him down but the impact power of his attack as well. On the other side, Jubito can still block Gai in a barrier and launch his bijudamas something Gai can't defend against unless he want to detonate it with his punch and die faster