Juubito vs. Gai

[Draphsin]

Sasuke's sword impaling Madara doesn't mean that Madara is as durable as Obito is.

But it clearly shows us that any amount of physical damage can hurt him, & since we now that a juubi jin's weakness is physical damage then we know that obito would be affected in the same way.

True. But not really relevant.

It is because we've seen what regular ninjutsu does to a juubi jin, & we've seen what senjutsu enhanced/physical attacks can do to them. Every physical attack behaves like a physical attack when used, & any ninjutsu when enhanced with senjutsu behaves the same way it normally would.

It shows us that a juubi jin merely has an immunity to ninjutsu, but senjutsu & physical attacks still work the same way.

Feats show otherwise. Based on Obito's performance against a Senpo Rasengan, a Senjutsu Enhanced FRS should tear him apart, let alone a Six Path's Sage Mode enhanced Lava Rasen Shuriken,

So you're basing the amount of damage the rasengan did solely on how it looks I assume? Well you simply can't do that because you have no idea how deep the rasengan went, it could've been a surface wound, it healed

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so it mustn't have been that deep. Not to mention obito immediately got up & was immediately fine, madara was on the ground for a longer period of time & his wound didn't heal until he absorbed the shinju. [

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yet Madara took that attack and only had moderate injuries. There is no way that him and Obito are as durable as each other.

Definitely not moderate injuries, his injuries were

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PS cut right through Obito, Naruto's YRS (Which bisected the Shinju) didn't cut through Madara's body.

Again look at the difference in actual damage & forget the fact that the sword went through his body. Obito was fine,

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, if naruto didn't draw out the bijuu chakra in that instance then that attack would've been worthless, just as worthless as sasuke's chidori katana was when it bisected madara.

Speaking of sasuke's attack, it

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madara's body without so much as a problem, are we going to now say that it > Naruto's YRS? Of course not, just because an attack can bisect a JJ doesn't mean that said attack is more powerful than one that can't or didn't do it.

 

[TRE MERCER]

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That's one direct hit buddy and the Shinju couldn't even catch Minato, Hashirama and Madara, Gai dances around it, everything else in your post is fanfic.

-Summoning Juubi?

-Hiding inside the Shinju?

Fanfic.

Madara was punched threw it does that mean Gai can do so? Alone... Multiple EE was tanked he didn't punch threw it he punched Madara threw it there's a difference... Obito simply uses Izanagi 10mins of immortality... means GG Gai...

 

[Haizaki]

8 gated Gai isn't as fast as you people think he is. It's his taijutsu punches who are actually that fast. I see no reason why Jubito couldn't follow him when Minato, Lee, Gaara or Kakashi could. Sure the blast of his punches must surprise him at first though

Except they never followed his high speed Lol. That's a horrible joke if you believe they can.

Stop with this "It's his taijutsu punches and kicks" when Madara outright said he was fast, when Madara was in total shock when Gai appeared right in front of him

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, when he could run circles round Madara in mid air to the extent where it like he was everywhere, When Madara was totally shielding himself when Gai while Gai kept moving. Tobirama caught Juuibto off guard, 8G Gai not being faster or not being able to smack Juubito in a CQC is a terrible joke.

Not to mention, the gudodamas already showed enough defensive capacity to block the air pressure of evening elephant. It even resisted senjutsu enhanced tailed beast bomb explosion. For Gai to actually even damage the gudodama, he would have to directly hit it and probably even using the final punch of the evening elephant sequence, not below that and the time he bypass the gudodama shield will not only slow him down but the impact power of his attack as well. On the other side, Jubito can still block Gai in a barrier and launch his bijudamas something Gai can't defend against unless he want to detonate it with his punch and die faster

Blocking Air pressure=/= Blocking to actual punch. Madara said Most of all

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implying that the direct attack is much stronger than the indirect EE.

The bold doesn't matter when Gai punched Madara first who was standing in the Middle of the Gudo dama shield and yet the force already hitting Madara was still strong enough to break through the Gudo dama despite the impact being reduced

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Juubito blocks Gai in the barrier, the Gai kicks up the air and leaves the barrier.

Madara was punched threw it does that mean Gai can do so? Alone... Multiple EE was tanked he didn't punch threw it he punched Madara threw it there's a difference... Obito simply uses Izanagi 10mins of immortality... means GG Gai...

The bold doesn't make sense.. He exerted enough force to do so. Can Obito even use Izanagi as the Juubi?

 

[Bogard]

The horrible joke is to think they couldn't when manga clearly depicted they could. The running circle things was just for the readers to appreciate how fast Gai was moving, not from the characters perspective inside the manga. I defy you to show me a panel where Minato and co every said they couldn't follow him. If you can't, then you're simply wanking

- Minato's "we have to support Gai" shows he very well knew he had the capacity to support his offensive moves(so let alone actually seeing him moving)

- Minato's "don't worry about anything and press forward no matter what" to Gai shows he could actually localise Gai's position enough to give him an information when he was running circles around Madara

- Lee's kunai throwing infront of Gai shows he was actually following Gai's movements

- Minato's interception between Gudodamas and Gai in the final step of his evening elephant shows he couldn't only follow but move accordingly

You can want to deny all you want to wank Gai but this is what was portrayed. They were all following Gai's movements

 

[TRE MERCER]

Except they never followed his high speed Lol. That's a horrible joke if you believe they can.

Stop with this "It's his taijutsu punches and kicks" when Madara outright said he was fast, when Madara was in total shock when Gai appeared right in front of him

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, when he could run circles round Madara in mid air to the extent where it like he was everywhere, When Madara was totally shielding himself when Gai while Gai kept moving. Tobirama caught Juuibto off guard, 8G Gai not being faster or not being able to smack Juubito in a CQC is a terrible joke.



Blocking Air pressure=/= Blocking to actual punch. Madara said Most of all

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implying that the direct attack is much stronger than the indirect EE.

The bold doesn't matter when Gai punched Madara first who was standing in the Middle of the Gudo dama shield and yet the force already hitting Madara was still strong enough to break through the Gudo dama despite the impact being reduced

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Juubito blocks Gai in the barrier, the Gai kicks up the air and leaves the barrier.



The bold doesn't make sense.. He exerted enough force to do so. Can Obito even use Izanagi as the Juubi?

How can't he? Please explain why he wouldn't be able...

 

[Haizaki]

The horrible joke is to think they couldn't when manga clearly depicted they could. The running circle things was just for the readers to appreciate how fast Gai was moving, not from the characters perspective inside the manga. I defy you to show me a panel where Minato and co every said they couldn't follow him. If you can't, then you're simply wanking

- Minato's "we have to support Gai" shows he very well knew he had the capacity to support his offensive moves(so let alone actually seeing him moving)

- Minato's "don't worry about anything and press forward no matter what" to Gai shows he could actually localise Gai's position enough to give him an information when he was running circles around Madara

- Lee's kunai throwing infront of Gai shows he was actually following Gai's movements

- Minato's interception between Gudodamas and Gai in the final step of his evening elephant shows he couldn't only follow but move accordingly

You can want to deny all you want to wank Gai but this is what was portrayed. They were all following Gai's movements

The bold alone shows you're a joke.

KCM Naruto who's already on Par with Minato let alone BSM Naruto was already having trouble sensing let alone following Juubito who by feat is slower than 8G Gai and you're here talking about "Rock Lee" "Gaara" "Kakashi" "Base Minato" being able to follow a faster opponent at high speed. Just be quiet on that bit and don't look like a moron. Not to mention even following becomes useless without being able to react.

The only time we saw them do such was when Gai was merely traveling in mid air after kicking up the air. Surely that can't be his full speed when Gaara's sand was keeping up with him. Only a joke would believe so.

You explain to me why they spoke about the plan but yet didn't intervene when Gai was running round circles?

You talk about wank but ignore how you usually wank Minato till thy kingdom come? Outta here with that Lol.

 

[Bogard]

1- It's KCM Naruto's shunshin that is on par with Base Minato's
2- It's Jubito's flight speed that was so fast BSM Naruto had hard time following

Shunshin =/= flight speed. You're comparing 2 different things, but whatever i don't think i'll bother explaining you the basics the way the discussion is going especially since i doubt you'll ever try to understand anything in a Gai related discussion

Considering you couldn't provide me the scan where characters said they couldn't follow Gai's movements and that you didn't counter my 4 arguments proving they could follow him(4), it's enough for me to understand your point is baseless and that i won the debate

 

[Haizaki]

1- It's KCM Naruto's shunshin that is on par with Base Minato's

Irrelevant when :

- BM Naruto's shunshin can't deflect Bijuudama

- Can't make Gai and Kakashi brace themselves like that.

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and yet he was referred to as Minato in this scenario

2- It's Jubito's flight speed that was so fast BSM Naruto had hard time following

Lol is this what you resort to now Lmaoo. KCM Naruto could sense but this happened

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. Irrelevant if it was flight speed though..when before he was on foot and Naruto said "I'm starting to" meaning he couldn't even before flight took place

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Shunshin =/= flight speed. You're comparing 2 different things, but whatever i don't think i'll bother explaining you the basics the way the discussion is going especially since i doubt you'll ever try to understand anything in a Gai related discussion

You can talk all you want but I don't care. I drop my piece and whether you refer to it as wank or not is none of my business. If I see one is dropping good enough points that are correct, I'll concede but just because I'm not buying into your idea doesn't mean wank is blinding me. Not to mention the main issue where we disagree is that:

- You and your other Minato wankers think he's faster than 8G Gai.

- You guys always take words out of Minato's mouth. He says it takes long to knead chakra implying that it takes a long time to use SM. Yet you guys say otherwise.

- You believe Kakashi is as fast as 6G Gai Lol. Despite me liking Kakashi a lot.

Considering you couldn't provide me the scan where characters said they couldn't follow Gai's movements and that you didn't counter my 4 arguments proving they could follow him(4), it's enough for me to understand your point is baseless and that i won the debate

Considering you couldn't prove to me that they could or couldn't explain to me why in the scenario they seem to be following him while traveling in Mid air, Gaara's sand is somehow keeping up with Gai's full speed Lol.

It's usual to think you won in your head Lol. That's fine by me Lol

 

[Joseph Gomes]

If Might Gai can kill Juubito for good, then he wins

Otherwise Might Gai loses because of regeneration

MS Obito wins against Might Gai, however. Speed isn't a factor because BM Naruto's blitz failed against Kamui

 

[TRE MERCER]

Izanagi should have solo'ed this thread im confused?

 

[Haizaki]

Izanagi should have solo'ed this thread im confused?

Obito was unable to use his sharingan ability as a Jin. Him being able to use Izanagi is shaky.

 

[lanakui8]

juubito uses warping kamui instead of intangibility like madara did and outlasts Gai.

If that's restricted, Gai kills him with NM.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Considering Madara took multiple beatings from Evening Elephant, took Lava Rasen Shuriken, while Obito got a hole put in him from Rasengan, and the fact that Madara was pretty durable even before becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, I'm going to ahead and say that Madara is more durable than Obito, thus Gai can actually kill him.

Obito got survived a PS slash and having half his body destroyed. Madara got a hole put in him from Obito's bare hands. Hooray for inconsistensies in Durability! Unless madara is really allergic to Obito.

 

[KidGamer65]

But it clearly shows us that any amount of physical damage can hurt him, & since we now that a juubi jin's weakness is physical damage then we know that obito would be affected in the same way.

I know that, but my comparison isn't using physical damage.

It is because we've seen what regular ninjutsu does to a juubi jin, & we've seen what senjutsu enhanced/physical attacks can do to them. Every physical attack behaves like a physical attack when used, & any ninjutsu when enhanced with senjutsu behaves the same way it normally would.

I know this.

It shows us that a juubi jin merely has an immunity to ninjutsu, but senjutsu & physical attacks still work the same way.

Which is something I already knew.

So you're basing the amount of damage the rasengan did solely on how it looks I assume? Well you simply can't do that because you have no idea how deep the rasengan went, it could've been a surface wound, it healed

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so it mustn't have been that deep. Not to mention obito immediately got up & was immediately fine, madara was on the ground for a longer period of time & his wound didn't heal until he absorbed the shinju. [

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That scan shows us how bad the Rasengan affected him, that's how I can tell how much damage it did. That was before he started healing, so its accurate. Obito got up and was fine because that attack was nothing compared yo YRS, and Madara had no time to heal anyway, he got up and immediately absorbed the Shinju.

-He gets hit.

-Kaguya speaks to him.

-He gets up and absorbs the tree right after.

His wound obviously would have healed if he had left it alone, just how he healed from Night Guy, which almost killed him.

Definitely not moderate injuries, his injuries were

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He only had his midsection blown out, but he could still move just fine. Those aren't severe injuries.

Again look at the difference in actual damage & forget the fact that the sword went through his body. Obito was fine,

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, if naruto didn't draw out the bijuu chakra in that instance then that attack would've been worthless, just as worthless as sasuke's chidori katana was when it bisected madara.

Obito being fine is irrelevant, we are testing his durability, and PS went right through him, thus his durability isn't as great as one who doesn't get cut by PS, same goes for Madara vs. Chidori Katana.

Speaking of sasuke's attack, it

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madara's body without so much as a problem, are we going to now say that it > Naruto's YRS? Of course not, just because an attack can bisect a JJ doesn't mean that said attack is more powerful than one that can't or didn't do it.

His Chidori focuses itself along a smaller area than YRS did, and its enhanced with Six Path's Power, that's the only reason why cutting him means its not stronger than YRS.

Obito got survived a PS slash and having half his body destroyed.

That's not a durability feat, not when he got run through and blown up by both attacks.

Madara got a hole put in him from Obito's bare hands. Hooray for inconsistensies in Durability! Unless madara is really allergic to Obito.

He's been pierced by Obito's hand and by a sword, I wouldn't call it inconsistency any more than I'd call it a case of different types of attacks at work.

Madara was punched threw it does that mean Gai can do so? Alone... Multiple EE was tanked he didn't punch threw it he punched Madara threw it there's a difference... Obito simply uses Izanagi 10mins of immortality... means GG Gai...

Obito pierced him with his hand, he didn't punch through him.

Then Gai pounds him for 10 minutes and kills him off.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Obito was unable to use his sharingan ability as a Jin. Him being able to use Izanagi is shaky.

He unable to use kamui because Juubi couldn't be in to planes at the same time... Izanagi works way different...

 

[Haizaki]

He unable to use kamui because Juubi couldn't be in to planes at the same time... Izanagi works way different...

I may be wrong but I thought so considering Madara used Kamui as well.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I may be wrong but I thought so considering Madara used Kamui as well.

He warped his entire body Obito was trying to faze through objects...

 

[Haizaki]

He warped his entire body Obito was trying to faze through objects...

One more question..He says he couldn't travel through dimensions, isn't that basically what Madara did? So that should only mean he can't do what Madara did?

When Obito fazes, isn't his body in the other dimension?

 

[TRE MERCER]

One more question..He says he couldn't travel through dimensions, isn't that basically what Madara did? So that should only mean he can't do what Madara did?

He means he couldn't be in 2 places at one time... He knew the attack was coming he was simply hit because he thought he could Kamui himself but he didn't realize he could only be 1 dimensional while a Juubi Jin... Madara took his entire body to the kamui dimension at one time... Obito would have been in the real world and Kamui dimension at the same time if he tried to faze in and out...

 

[JCW]

Jubito

Why

He has ton skills


Gai

Flatlined