Ending on chapter 700 was a mistake.... but it worked out great!

[Floydical]

Case in point, shooting for ending your manga on a particular chapter guarantees one thing; that being it ensures the manga was either forced to end too early or was extended for that very purpose.

Of course, part of my point is that I think Kishi did alright timing the ending like he did (I feel any real Naruto fan would be very satisfied with this ending), but I think its clear he extended the manga for that purpose. I think while extending it, he opened too many doors that he failed to close. Sasuke's unused secret jutsu gifted by Hashirama? Did Kishi fail to make time for it? Orochimaru's true intentions for attacking the Leaf? Kishi set it up as a mystery but left it hanging. Did he think he had time for it but failed to incorporate it simply due to making sure he ended it on 700?

Basically what ending on chapter 700 did was create a stigma of unrest in my mind. I doubt any sane Manga writer would suggest to another to end on 1 chapter in particular. Surely they would suggest to simply end it naturally without worrying which chapter it ended on? I think so. Now I'm not suggesting he always intended to end on 700, but once he got a decent way through the war, he realized he might end near that point and did his best to time it to end that way.

To say the least, I feel it was truly reckless on Kishi's part to do so. I mean was ending on an even 100 chapter mark more important than doing his manga justice? I'm really in aw over this. I honestly feel it was very immature of Kishi to do put such an importance on it. Share your thoughts on the matter.

As for the manga's ending, I feel 700 was less of a fan service and more of a Shonen style resolution that was called for. You need to see the next generation before moving on, or at least a timeskip with changes in the protagonists' lives. In addition, I think it was really important for him to release 699 and 700 at the same time. If he released them separately, we might expect a normal chapter on 700 rather than a resolution in the future like we got. Kishi did really well with it. Thanks for reading as always.

 

[V h o]

It wasn't really the ending, IT was cast. None of this stuff makes any sense.

 

[anonymityIx]

One of the biggest things for me is Hamura. What was his purpose. For 90 percent of the story we knew the sage of the six paths single handedly stopped the ten tails. I was fine with this. Kishi added in a brother and didn't tell us anything about what happened to him. The story could've been exactly the same without ever adding Hamura

 

[94Temimi]

It wasn't really the ending, IT was cast. None of this stuff makes any sense.

Totally Agree...

 

[Arian]

dude whatever you say, naruhina was definitly fan service and fanservice only. its like he was forced to do that, despite the fact he was building narusaku for years....
he left some doors open, and also rushed with the kaguya/madara fight, while some other parts of the war sure did seem kinda too long....

imo a real artist shouldnt care neither for their fans, nor for any chapter numbers. but in reality it isnt that easy sadly. i wonder how this manga would have turned out if it wasnt released chapter after chapter, but rather as a completed series... im sure it would have been longer, have less plotholes/unexplained stuff and a real closure....

 

[WhistleBlower]

"ending on chapter 700 was a mistake"

Get over it, Kishi already ended it. U_U

 

[yondaime4]

One of the biggest things for me is Hamura. What was his purpose. For 90 percent of the story we knew the sage of the six paths single handedly stopped the ten tails. I was fine with this. Kishi added in a brother and didn't tell us anything about what happened to him. The story could've been exactly the same without ever adding Hamura

Hence hamura's descendant is the villain in the last.

 

[-Punk-]

Oho? IT? cast? .............................. oho.

 

[oShux]

It wasn't really the ending, IT was cast. None of this stuff makes any sense.

That would be a awesome plot twist. But I'm king of happy, I like happy endings.

One of the biggest things for me is Hamura. What was his purpose. For 90 percent of the story we knew the sage of the six paths single handedly stopped the ten tails. I was fine with this. Kishi added in a brother and didn't tell us anything about what happened to him. The story could've been exactly the same without ever adding Hamura

Kaguya saw BOTH of her children in Sasuke and Naruto. But you do have a fair point.

OP- Hey man, all good stories have cliff hangers.

 

[oShux]

dude whatever you say, naruhina was definitly fan service and fanservice only. its like he was forced to do that, despite the fact he was building narusaku for years....
he left some doors open, and also rushed with the kaguya/madara fight, while some other parts of the war sure did seem kinda too long....

imo a real artist shouldnt care neither for their fans, nor for any chapter numbers. but in reality it isnt that easy sadly. i wonder how this manga would have turned out if it wasnt released chapter after chapter, but rather as a completed series... im sure it would have been longer, have less plotholes/unexplained stuff and a real closure....

That's how it was done actually. Kishi wrote the series, finished it. Sold it, and it got released per week. This story has been done for a while now. Do you honestly think, Kishi will write new chapters every single week? lol no.

 

[LogicnoJutsu]

Why do people still not realize that the very reason he has The Rinnegan is because of Hashirama...

 

[Angelic.]

naruto becoming 7th hokage on 700 is the reason why. bc numbers.

things were introduced as a red herring.

 

[Floydical]

One of the biggest things for me is Hamura. What was his purpose. For 90 percent of the story we knew the sage of the six paths single handedly stopped the ten tails. I was fine with this. Kishi added in a brother and didn't tell us anything about what happened to him. The story could've been exactly the same without ever adding Hamura

Meh. I think too many people are overreacting to Hamura. It added depth to the elder son/ younger son story. It didn't make any other part of the story less believable. Its fine with me.

dude whatever you say, naruhina was definitly fan service and fanservice only. its like he was forced to do that, despite the fact he was building narusaku for years....
he left some doors open, and also rushed with the kaguya/madara fight, while some other parts of the war sure did seem kinda too long....

imo a real artist shouldnt care neither for their fans, nor for any chapter numbers. but in reality it isnt that easy sadly. i wonder how this manga would have turned out if it wasnt released chapter after chapter, but rather as a completed series... im sure it would have been longer, have less plotholes/unexplained stuff and a real closure....

Another meh. Saying he built NaruSaku for years is false, he never really built up any relationship other than SikiMari. Fate has its ways. If you honestly hoped for one matching over another I feel sorry for you. Not one part of me was interested in particular matches, I only cared about the story.

"ending on chapter 700 was a mistake"

Get over it, Kishi already ended it. U_U

The controversial title's purpose was to get you into the thread. It worked right? If you read the post you'd realize I'm not mad lol.

 

[Arian]

That's how it was done actually. Kishi wrote the series, finished it. Sold it, and it got released per week. This story has been done for a while now. Do you honestly think, Kishi will write new chapters every single week? lol no.

no he is ahead, but only a few chapters, not the whole story... why is it do you think, that its such a struggle to keep the schedule and finish one chapter/week? he might have the story written down somewhere, but the way it was developped he either had to change a huge amoung of it in order to finish it until 700, or he just really sucks at writing, which i doubt.

 

[Avani]

Case in point, shooting for ending your manga on a particular chapter guarantees one thing; that being it ensures the manga was either forced to end too early or was extended for that very purpose.

Of course, part of my point is that I think Kishi did alright timing the ending like he did (I feel any real Naruto fan would be very satisfied with this ending), but I think its clear he extended the manga for that purpose. I think while extending it, he opened too many doors that he failed to close. Sasuke's unused secret jutsu gifted by Hashirama? Did Kishi fail to make time for it? Orochimaru's true intentions for attacking the Leaf? Kishi set it up as a mystery but left it hanging. Did he think he had time for it but failed to incorporate it simply due to making sure he ended it on 700?

I think, whatever it was, it was to counter Madara's senjutsu chakra/attack which he had stolen from Hashirama. But then Madara didn't play around with Sasuke at all and simply put his sword in him. So the plan failed immediately. I won't be surprised though that some editor used his cutting tools to adjust panels. Kishi had to curb Tsunade's fighting scenes with Pain during his attack on their insistence.

Basically what ending on chapter 700 did was create a stigma of unrest in my mind. I doubt any sane Manga writer would suggest to another to end on 1 chapter in particular. Surely they would suggest to simply end it naturally without worrying which chapter it ended on? I think so. Now I'm not suggesting he always intended to end on 700, but once he got a decent way through the war, he realized he might end near that point and did his best to time it to end that way.

To say the least, I feel it was truly reckless on Kishi's part to do so. I mean was ending on an even 100 chapter mark more important than doing his manga justice? I'm really in aw over this. I honestly feel it was very immature of Kishi to do put such an importance on it. Share your thoughts on the matter.

As for the manga's ending, I feel 700 was less of a fan service and more of a Shonen style resolution that was called for. You need to see the next generation before moving on, or at least a timeskip with changes in the protagonists' lives. In addition, I think it was really important for him to release 699 and 700 at the same time. If he released them separately, we might expect a normal chapter on 700 rather than a resolution in the future like we got. Kishi did really well with it. Thanks for reading as always.

Releases are decided by publication I think. And they set the number of panels accordingly in last chapters. Story came to an end with Indra accepting defeat through Sasuke. 699 covered a hell lot with it's panels and background commentary. 700 was about the happy ending of that particular saga and future. Personally I'm ok with it.

Problem with serialization is that it's hard to set pacing in retrospect. It can be a better graphic novel if the whole series is re-edited and published at once. otherwise few retcons or hitches are inevitable.

 

[cmoG]

Meh. I think too many people are overreacting to Hamura. It added depth to the elder son/ younger son story. It didn't make any other part of the story less believable. Its fine with me.



Another meh. Saying he built NaruSaku for years is false, he never really built up any relationship other than SikiMari. Fate has its ways. If you honestly hoped for one matching over another I feel sorry for you. Not one part of me was interested in particular matches, I only cared about the story.



The controversial title's purpose was to get you into the thread. It worked right? If you read the post you'd realize I'm not mad lol.

Nah, the story was perfect as is without Hamura involved. Hagoromo was foretold as being the god of the shinobi world & created the biju & that alone captured our interest. Then, we come to find out that he wasn't alone in doing the things that he did. That took away from his god-factor, along with him screwing up so royally with his sons.

Then, we see just how his brother looked & that captured our interest as to how/who he is and may be. Remember all of those Reaper Death Seal theories? The mystery this man had was massive & the climax of his hype was when Kaguya saw N&S as her sons...we were expecting for some flashbacks from either her or Hagoromo, but NNNNOPE! Nothing at all. Then, as the battle with Kaguya went on, us readers were left salty with the impression that we'll never figure out who this guy is. Was he good, was he evil? Was he the Reaper? Did everything Hagoromo say about him turn out to be true or false? Does he still have a key into the story somewhere? How did he play into the Hyuga Clan? Was he responsible for their seals? So many questions.

Yet, here we are with nothing. Hagoromo should've stayed alone, but for whatever reason Kishi didn't think so. Even if Tanero (sp) gives us insight, it's still way too late.

 

[Floydical]

I think, whatever it was, it was to counter Madara's senjutsu chakra/attack which he had stolen from Hashirama. But then Madara didn't play around with Sasuke at all and simply put his sword in him. So the plan failed immediately. I won't be surprised though that some editor used his cutting tools to adjust panels. Kishi had to curb Tsunade's fighting scenes with Pain during his attack on their insistence.



Releases are decided by publication I think. And they set the number of panels accordingly in last chapters. Story came to an end with Indra accepting defeat through Sasuke. 699 covered a hell lot with it's panels and background commentary. 700 was about the happy ending of that particular saga and future. Personally I'm ok with it.

Problem with serialization is that it's hard to set pacing in retrospect. It can be a better graphic novel if the whole series is re-edited and published at once. otherwise few retcons or hitches are inevitable.

However the publication works, it doesn't change the fact that he PURPOSELY ended it on 700 because he always did something big for every 100 chapter mark. What that means is that he likely extended parts of his manga in order to reach that point. That, in my opinion, is not a smart thing to do and put his manga at risk. Any sane Manga writer would simply let it end when it was naturally going to end. That's my only point here.

Nah, the story was perfect as is without Hamura involved. Hagoromo was foretold as being the god of the shinobi world & created the biju & that alone captured our interest. Then, we come to find out that he wasn't alone in doing the things that he did. That took away from his god-factor, along with him screwing up so royally with his sons.

Then, we see just how his brother looked & that captured our interest as to how/who he is and may be. Remember all of those Reaper Death Seal theories? The mystery this man had was massive & the climax of his hype was when Kaguya saw N&S as her sons...we were expecting for some flashbacks from either her or Hagoromo, but NNNNOPE! Nothing at all. Then, as the battle with Kaguya went on, us readers were left salty with the impression that we'll never figure out who this guy is. Was he good, was he evil? Was he the Reaper? Did everything Hagoromo say about him turn out to be true or false? Does he still have a key into the story somewhere? How did he play into the Hyuga Clan? Was he responsible for their seals? So many questions.

Yet, here we are with nothing. Hagoromo should've stayed alone, but for whatever reason Kishi didn't think so. Even if Tanero (sp) gives us insight, it's still way too late.

You're just another person asking the wrong questions. I don't think Kishi intended for you to overthink the Hamura business like you are. All the questions you are asking are unimportant. To me, it makes the story better because it shows you that the sage wasn't all powerful anyway, he had help. It also enriches the history of the world itself by showing Hamura specifically passed on the Byakugan. Again, I think its a matter of simply considering him only semi important. He had no true purpose other than to add some new depth, just not the depth you're looking into.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

My only real problem with it was the SasuSaku crap.

**** that pairing.