[VS] 3rd Raikage vs. Kakuzu and Kisame

[makosheva7]

So who would win?

 

[Transcendence]

I think Kakuzu and Kisame is a little too much for the 3rd Raikage. Kisame alone can absorb chakra via GSB and wear him down and Kakuzu has the elemental advantage. It'll come down to them having to wear him down, as they don't have any attacks that can actually damage him enough to cause him problems.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Depends on intel. No intel and they get blitzed casually.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Kisame solo's...

 

[Transcendence]

Depends on intel. No intel and they get blitzed casually.

No way is the Sandaime fast enough to blitz either of them. He caps out at V1 Ei speed, and the Sharingan casually follows that. Kisame was keeping up with Bijuu Mode Bee, who seemed to be faster than V1 Ei, but slower than V2 Ay.

 

[TRE MERCER]

No way is the Sandaime fast enough to blitz either of them. He caps out at V1 Ei speed, and the Sharingan casually follows that. Kisame was keeping up with Bijuu Mode Bee, who seemed to be faster than V1 Ei, but slower than V2 Ay.

This here... Kisame hasn't shown any speed feat's suggesting he slower than SM Naruto or MS Sasuke...

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No way is the Sandaime fast enough to blitz either of them. He caps out at V1 Ei speed, and the Sharingan casually follows that. Kisame was keeping up with Bijuu Mode Bee, who seemed to be faster than V1 Ei, but slower than V2 Ay.

Kisame got blitzed by Biju mode bee. What. The only time they played on field was when they were in the dome. Other than that he was flat out getting blitzed and regenerating.

 

[Conspirator.]

Kisame could solo the 3rd Raikage. Adding in Kakuzu makes it a stomp.

 

[KidGamer65]

No way is the Sandaime fast enough to blitz either of them. He caps out at V1 Ei speed, and the Sharingan casually follows that. Kisame was keeping up with Bijuu Mode Bee, who seemed to be faster than V1 Ei, but slower than V2 Ay.

He was barely keeping up with Base B in CQC when it comes to speed and reactions. The only thing keeping him in the game was the fact that Samehada would absorb his chakra every single time they clashed. When B decided to attack with more chakra than he could take at once (Version 2) Kisame couldn't evade, all he could do was put his sword in front of himself, before B charged at him, thus B is fast enough to outright blitz Kisame. So was 6G Gai.

How does B seem to be faster than the 3rd Raikage? Ay has speed hype putting his reactions on par with Minato's.

Shī: Lord Raikage's nerve transmission and his reaction speed are on par with that of Konoha's Yellow Flash...Impressive that these folk are keeping up as well as they are!

But Lord Raikage has manipulated Raiton chakra to augment his reflexes! Not even the Sharingan will be able to keep up with him.

From the Naruto VIZ thread. 3rd Raikage is probably around V1 Ay's level. He dodged FRS point blank, twice. Pretty sure he's faster than B.

This here... Kisame hasn't shown any speed feat's suggesting he slower than SM Naruto or MS Sasuke...

Besides getting blitzed by V2 B and getting blitzed by 6G Gai? Lol.

 

[LuckyMan]

Kisame absorbing chakra comes down to one thing. Can he absorb enough chakra from Raikage to weaken the nukites power down to a point where it wouldn't decapitate him? Even a 4 finger nukite can kill him and Raikage puts all his power into it and all his power = all gyuki power which samehdah couldn't absorb at once so he probably still dies to a Nukite.

Kakuzu gets one shotted neg difficulty.

 

[Apêx1]

Kisame can potentially solo. Being durable doesn't help your oxygen levels under water.

 

[super yang]

I don't see how sandaime loses.

kisame cant combo w/ kakuzu unless its w/ rai'ton, which is meaningless.

kisame gets his torso his sword trolled after kakuzu gets blitzed

 

[Forbidden Technique]

He was barely keeping up with Base B in CQC when it comes to speed and reactions. The only thing keeping him in the game was the fact that Samehada would absorb his chakra every single time they clashed.

Lol, what? Killer Bee was using his projectiles in order to gauge Kisames reaction speed, as Kisame noted himself [

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]. Then Killer Bee repositioned himself away from his original spot where he threw the raiton sword and shunshin blitzed Kisame from behind... Yet Kisames reaction and body speed casually shitted on that [

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]. Bee had no choice but to up his speed with the biju cloak, yet Samehada reacted and

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him, and then Kisame's reaction and striking speed bested him once again. It was only until Bee went V2 that he trumped Kisames reaction speed. Stop overrating this guy; that's a general statement.

OT: Kisame solos.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol, what? Killer Bee was using his projectiles in order to gauge Kisames reaction speed, as Kisame noted himself [

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]. Then Killer Bee repositioned himself away from his original spot where he threw the raiton sword and shunshin blitzed Kisame from behind... Yet Kisames reaction and body speed casually shitted on that [

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]. Bee had no choice but to up his speed with the biju cloak, yet Samehada reacted and

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him, and then Kisame's reaction and striking speed bested him once again. It was only until Bee went V2 that he trumped Kisames reaction speed. Stop overrating this guy; that's a general statement.

OT: Kisame solos.

Fine, I'll give you that point, doesn't really change the main point I was trying to make regardless.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Fine, I'll give you that point, doesn't really change the main point I was trying to make regardless.

What was your point..? That because Kisame could "barely" react to base Killer Bee, he get's blitzed from the 3rd Raikage? Highly doubt the 3rd Raikage is much faster then Bee, if at all. You said he's around V1 Ay's speed, and IIRC, Darui was matching him in speed.

Even if the 3rd Raikage was at or above Bee's V2 speed, Samehada should still rip off his raiton cloak before the nukite deals any significant damage that Kisame couldn't heal form. If you can somehow prove to me that the raiton cloak incorporates more chakra then 6 tails worth of Bee's chakra cloak, then Kisame gets KO'd. If not, the 3rd falls the same way Bee did.

 

[KidGamer65]

What was your point..? That because Kisame could "barely" react to base Killer Bee, he get's blitzed from the 3rd Raikage? Highly doubt the 3rd Raikage is much faster then Bee, if at all. You said he's around V1 Ay's speed, and IIRC, Darui was matching him in speed.

Even if the 3rd Raikage was at or above Bee's V2 speed, Samehada should still rip off his raiton cloak before the nukite deals any significant damage that Kisame couldn't heal form. If you can somehow prove to me that the raiton cloak incorporates more chakra then 6 tails worth of Bee's chakra cloak, then Kisame gets KO'd. If not, the 3rd falls the same way Bee did.

When was Darui matching V1 Ay in speed? Given the fact they were all hyping the Raikage's speed and not Darui's, I'm pretty sure that Darui is not on his speed tier. Suigetsu engaged them both, yet he said Ay was

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. KCM Naruto, a top speedster, gave the 3rd Raikage and V1 Ay speed hype.

By just watching/reading the fight, you can tell that V1 Ay is faster than Darui by a good amount.

I hope you aren't referring to

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, because that doesn't show Darui keeping up with Ay.

@bold: That was my point, but Kisame not reacting to Base B (Which is false as you've shown) wasn't my only evidence.

If he does something like

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or

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to him instead of just charging straight through him like Killer B did, then how will Samehada absorb it? If he can't react to his speed, he won't react to a back attack from him, thus he won't be able to absorb Nukite with Samehada, thus he'd get ripped apart by One Finger Nukite, and unless Kisame can heal himself after being dismembered, that'd be GG.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

When was Darui matching V1 Ay in speed? Given the fact they were all hyping the Raikage's speed and not Darui's, I'm pretty sure that Darui is not on his speed tier. Suigetsu engaged them both, yet he said Ay was

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. KCM Naruto, a top speedster, gave the 3rd Raikage and V1 Ay speed hype.

By just watching/reading the fight, you can tell that V1 Ay is faster than Darui by a good amount.

I hope you aren't referring to

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, because that doesn't show Darui keeping up with Ay.

@bold: That was my point, but Kisame not reacting to Base B (Which is false as you've shown) wasn't my only evidence.

If he does something like

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or

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to him instead of just charging straight through him like Killer B did, then how will Samehada absorb it? If he can't react to his speed, he won't react to a back attack from him, thus he won't be able to absorb Nukite with Samehada, thus he'd get ripped apart by One Finger Nukite, and unless Kisame can heal himself after being dismembered, that'd be GG.

Why doesn't it? Before Cee used that illusion, both Darui and the Raikage were shown standing side by side each other; and their arrival and strike seemed near perfectly in sync. But I suppose your other points do have merit, so i'll drop it and just compare Ay with Bee.

It seemed to me that Bee was having a much easier time destroying Team Hebi without really having a killing intent; while the outraged V1 Raikage with Darius help seemed to be having some trouble against 3T Sasuke, Jugo, and Suegetsu. I mean, like it was effortless for Bee [

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] while Ay's straight up blitzed was blocked from point blank range [

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]. Plus, the fact that Sasuke 3T had no trouble tracking V1 Ay's movements, nor did his body have any trouble outmaneuvering him either [

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]. The same can't be said in his fight with Bee. I'm not seeing how V1 Ay is much faster then Bee,

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.

If the 3rd Raikage is at V1 Ay's level speed, you need to prove to me that V1 Ay is indeed at least a whole tier faster then Bee to suggest that Kisame won't be able to track his movements and react accordingly like he was doing to Bee without too much effort. Samehada seemingly has a 360 degree absorption range anyways, seeing as it was able to absorb two different things coming from two different angles simultaneously. So an attack from behind Kisames back should still be absorbed regardless. The factor here is how much damage he'll take from the momentum of the Raikages attack; which I find safe to say, not lethal or beyond his regenerating capabilites.

 

[KidGamer65]

It seemed to me that Bee was having a much easier time destroying Team Hebi without really having a killing intent; while the outraged V1 Raikage with Darius help seemed to be having some trouble against 3T Sasuke, Jugo, and Suegetsu. I mean, like it was effortless for Bee [

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] while Ay's straight up blitzed was blocked from point blank range [

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].

B destroying Taka wasn't about speed, it was about his unorthodox sword play.

Plus, the fact that Sasuke 3T had no trouble tracking V1 Ay's movements, nor did his body have any trouble outmaneuvering him either [

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]. The same can't be said in his fight with Bee. I'm not seeing how V1 Ay is much faster then Bee,

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.

Sasuke easily tracked and evaded V1 B's attack, while all he did to Ay was evade his elbow attack, not his actual movement/shunshin speed. All that last panel does is prove that running speed Ay=running speed Base B. Ay's Shunshin in V2 is leagues above Killer B's no matter what form he's in, so unless you are trying to say that Base B=V2 Ay in speed, I'm not seeing how this panel helps.

If the 3rd Raikage is at V1 Ay's level speed, you need to prove to me that V1 Ay is indeed at least a whole tier faster then Bee to suggest that Kisame won't be able to track his movements and react accordingly like he was doing to Bee without too much effort. Samehada seemingly has a 360 degree absorption range anyways, seeing as it was able to absorb two different things coming from two different angles simultaneously. So an attack from behind Kisames back should still be absorbed regardless. The factor here is how much damage he'll take from the momentum of the Raikages attack; which I find safe to say, not lethal or beyond his regenerating capabilites.

But since I can't prove the bold, I'll concede. Kisame takes him out.,

 

[Forbidden Technique]

All that last panel does is prove that running speed Ay=running speed Base B. Ay's Shunshin in V2 is leagues above Killer B's no matter what form he's in, so unless you are trying to say that Base B=V2 Ay in speed, I'm not seeing how this panel helps.



But since I can't prove the bold, I'll concede. Kisame takes him out.,

Since you conceded, I don't believe I need to rebuttal this, but I was attempting to prove that Ay's V1 (Since you're comparing it to the 3rd Raikages speed) isn't that much faster (if at all) then Bee. What puts Ay above Bee in speed and gave him the fastest shinobi alive moniker was solely his V2 shunshin speed; and my post had nothing to do with Ay's V2 shunsin speed. Simply, V1 Ay isn't any tier above Bee in terms of speed, so Kisame will have no problem tracking, reacting, and countering the 3rd.

 

[KidGamer65]

I was only asserting that V2 B, V1 Ay, and 3rd Raikage were all on par when it comes to speed, not that the Raikage and Ay were a tier above, but it doesn't change the fact my argument doesn't work.