Madara or the Rikudo?

[UzumakiWade]

I don't really think this is a fair battle, all we have from Hago's side is hype and no feats. I guess rinnegan powers and whatever power Naruto and Sasuke has shown can be considered his powers aswell. But we can't be sure, going by hype Hago definitely takes it though.

But by feats, Hago could have the power of Sasuke's rinnegan and Naruto's rikkudou form and obviously all the rinnegan techs, maybe he could beat Madara with those feats alone. it depends though, how many rinnegan's does Madara have? 2 rinnegan would be a difficult battle but Hago can create moon-sized CT's so he could take it. 3 rinnegan madara... did we see much from him to be honest? I remember only seeing him use lots of CT's and casting IT which called out Kaguya. So if its 3 rinnegan madara vs Hago then its going to be a hype battle.

 

[Djokovic]

Madara> Your favorite forever. Even after the manga people cant deny it. lol

 

[J3Q]

Rikudou and Madara all have the same powers. Rinnegan, Yin-Yang Chakra, Juubi's while Madara has his Uchiha's powers, which Hagoromo most likely possess as well. It comes down to whose intellectual enough to use his powers effectively, and Madara being the veteran warrior with hundred years of experience, without doubt use his powers better. Madara has an edge.​

and hago isnt a vet? damn he fought kaguya that should give him a bit of expierience

 

[Transcendence]

Ok. Even if you ignore coat, the truth is madara was overcome by kaguya's will in black zetsu whereas hagoromo defeated kaguya.

Moreover, the full power of hagoromo is not a known. But it is known that he had the ability to revive the past kage w/o causing damage to himself, and he was able to transmigrate his soul through time. Can Madara do any of that??

Hagoromo didn't defeat Kaguya. Him and HAMURA sealed the Juubi, which is Kaguya and the Shinju merged. They would have been annihilated if it was Kaguya in her "human" form.

 

[Ashura San]

Hagoromo was born with the Rinnegan and lived way longer than Madara.

Even when he died he still looked over NV.

That battle experience crap doesn't mean anything

Hago > Madara

 

[Itachi of the Uchiha clan]

blindness>>>>>>>>itachi gg.

edo tensei>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>tobirama

 

[Chazzi]

hmm tough question but after thinking about it id have to go with itachi solos them both tho Lol

 

[Benjamin King]

I don't like when one simply talks assumptions! Look what old man Hago's half power did to naruto and sasake and you think madara's 50% to each could have done that????

The NV's world proves genes adapt. If it doesn't adapt, there would be no way for Madara to awake the same Rinnegan as Hagoromo, Hashirama's genetic clown growing in vast size and producing clones. Nice try, it's fine to deny manga with your invalid opinion. Plus...

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[Peace Maker]

Rikudou and Madara all have the same powers. Rinnegan, Yin-Yang Chakra, Juubi's while Madara has his Uchiha's powers, which Hagoromo most likely possess as well. It comes down to whose intellectual enough to use his powers effectively, and Madara being the veteran warrior with hundred years of experience, without doubt use his powers better. Madara has an edge.​

You forgot to mention your a madaea fan

 

[UzumakiWade]

Hagoromo was born with the Rinnegan and lived way longer than Madara.

Even when he died he still looked over NV.

That battle experience crap doesn't mean anything

Hago > Madara

Exactly this, how does battle experience give you the edge? So you have been fighting longer, good for you, how does that make you stronger in any way? Hago has quite some decent battle experience himself so battle exp gives nothing to Maddy.

 

[Benjamin King]

Ok. Even if you ignore coat, the truth is madara was overcome by kaguya's will in black zetsu whereas hagoromo defeated kaguya.

Moreover, the full power of hagoromo is not a known. But it is known that he had the ability to revive the past kage w/o causing damage to himself, and he was able to transmigrate his soul through time. Can Madara do any of that??

Because Black Zetsu took Madara off-guard. Madara thinking Black Zetsu was his will, the only being he trusts, and surprised to be taken down by his creation. If he knew that from the beginning, Kaguya would not have taken over.

The full power of Hagoromo is shown through Madara or Naruto & Sasuke. I'm not sure why you're using those factors. They're not relevant to battle wise.​

 

[NarutoKage2]

I don't really think this is a fair battle, all we have from Hago's side is hype and no feats. I guess rinnegan powers and whatever power Naruto and Sasuke has shown can be considered his powers aswell. But we can't be sure, going by hype Hago definitely takes it though.

But by feats, Hago could have the power of Sasuke's rinnegan and Naruto's rikkudou form and obviously all the rinnegan techs, maybe he could beat Madara with those feats alone. it depends though, how many rinnegan's does Madara have? 2 rinnegan would be a difficult battle but Hago can create moon-sized CT's so he could take it. 3 rinnegan madara... did we see much from him to be honest? I remember only seeing him use lots of CT's and casting IT which called out Kaguya. So if its 3 rinnegan madara vs Hago then its going to be a hype battle.

It is a hype battle, duh. We've never actually seen hagoromo fight, but creating the moon of nv, fighting the juubi/kaguya and pumping naruto and sasuke all give us an idea of his legendary prowess.

Hagoromo didn't defeat Kaguya. Him and HAMURA sealed the Juubi, which is Kaguya and the Shinju merged. They would have been annihilated if it was Kaguya in her "human" form.

She was his mother though. And the split chakra of hagoromo(naruto and sasuke) did defeat her.

edo tensei>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>tobirama

RDS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>edo tensei.

 

[Benjamin King]

Just to also clear things, the moon's creation was result of Hamura and Hagoromo. It wasn't Hagoromo's feat, that was misconception. It's cleared by Black Zetsu and databook.​

 

[UzumakiWade]

It is a hype battle, duh. We've never actually seen hagoromo fight, but creating the moon of nv, fighting the juubi/kaguya and pumping naruto and sasuke all give us an idea of his legendary prowess.

Oh, Lol. In that case Hago takes it, his hype is on par with Prime Hiruzen! Over 555555,0000,00000000000!

 

[NarutoKage2]

Because Black Zetsu took Madara off-guard. Madara thinking Black Zetsu was his will, the only being he trusts, and surprised to be taken down by his creation. If he knew that from the beginning, Kaguya would not have taken over.

The full power of Hagoromo is shown through Madara or Naruto & Sasuke. I'm not sure why you're using those factors. They're not relevant to battle wise.​

Because we've never actually seen Hagoromo fight, so ofc i'm gonna use inferences etc..

Yeah, so madara was duped, lvl down.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

While Madara has both of Hagoromo's powers, I have no reason to believe that his mastery of both is enough to match Hagoromo's. Especially considering that Sasuke with rikkudo chakra, and is not a juubi jin, managed to keep up with him physically, suggesting his senjutsu wasn't that much lower. It's extremely doubtful that Madara has full mastery over both powers, particularly rikkudo senjutsu.

 

[Transcendence]

It is a hype battle, duh. We've never actually seen hagoromo fight, but creating the moon of nv, fighting the juubi/kaguya and pumping naruto and sasuke all give us an idea of his legendary prowess.

She was his mother though. And the split chakra of hagoromo(naruto and sasuke) did defeat her.


RDS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>edo tensei.

Naruto, Sasuke, DMS Kakashi, Sakura and recent help from Obito helped defeat her. It wasn't just his chakra and you fail to acknowledge that it wasn't just his chakra; Naruto had the separate Tailed Beasts power (something Hagoromo didn't give) and the Senjutsu of the Six Paths. Sasuke had his Uchiha abilities (something Hagoromo didn't give) and the Rin'negan. So they were already souped up to begin with, and are far stronger than just the split chakra of Hagoromo. Hagoromo already conceded that his mother was on another level. And Kakashi did more damage than anybody in that fight, so no way in hell was it just Naruto and Sasuke who beat her.

 

[Ashura San]

Just to also clear things, the moon's creation was result of Hamura and Hagoromo. It wasn't Hagoromo's feat, that was misconception. It's cleared by Black Zetsu and databook.​

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No.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Unrestricted Madara is on par with prime Hagoromo​

 

[Transcendence]

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No.

Yes... He's right. That same jutsu was what Hagoromo and Hamura used in their battle against the Juubi. Your scan just further proved his point.