Seriously tho, Kakashi needs a Sharingan

[ShiroT]

don't think so .

he became jonin w/o sharingan , and there must be a strong reason for it !

so did asuma , and he's dead

 

[ShiroT]

Kakashi was super strong even without the Sharingan. The Sharingan was important for him just against the very strong ones, which would be the Juubi jinchuriki. So Kakashi is good enough like this, he knows up to 4 elements already.

kakashi lost to kakuzu and had and im sure hidan could take him in pure tai/kenjutsu. he needs the sharingan

 

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

-His father was world renown, he's mostly known for being his father's son.

-Pretty sure Obito called him weak, and no Madara, Kaguya, Orochimaru, Obito, and Pein didn't respect him.

-No he hasn't. Evident when he was beat around by Zabuza, pissed his pants in front of Orochimaru, and got destroyed by Itachi.

We already know the new village is going to attack Konoha, Kakashi will do nothing, then Naruto will save the village like always. Kakashi is going to be just a defacto Hokage the entire time while Naruto does all the work.

No he isn't mostly known for being the white fang's son. Only Chiyo has ever even brought that up in the main storyline.

Obito called him weak, but it's not like he really meant it. Kaguya was a drone. Madara complimented his skills with sharingan. Orochimaru never really had an opinion about him outside of pt 1, but I was talkin about pt 2 villains. Pein flat out said it was an honor to meet him, and he wouldn't even come close to his body to kill him because he's that good.

Zabuza wasn't beating him up, he only got trapped in the water prison because he was protecting 4 other people who were no match for Zabuza. In a one v one Zabuza was owned, even after he countered the Sharingan. Orochimaru didn't make him piss his pants, as he still was willing to put his life on the line to protect Sasuke. Itachi did one shot him with Tsukuyomi though.

However just because he had conflict with Orochimaru and Itachi doesn't mean Kakashi isn't top tier, because Itachi and Orochimaru were both top 5 in pt 1.

 

[Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze]

Its my Bad Not Maah bad.

First of all, it's not its, but it is or it's... its is the possessive form.

Second, really? ...because two a's and the h didn't give it away as playing around while putting emphasis on the phonetics? I guess you're slow; that, should be your sin.
Can't say that I'm feeling much darkness coming from someone trying to tell me it's not "maah", but "my"... scary scary.

On a scale from dark as night to Disney Land Holloween dark... I would say it's just about Disney, or maybe Knott's Scary Farm.
Quite laughable actually.

 

[ShiroT]

Hiruzen didn't have any of those things yet he's held as god of shinobi. Lol
Don't hate.

hiruzen adleast had 5 elements

 

[Xāvî1]

why is that??

 

[ShiroT]

No he isn't mostly known for being the white fang's son. Only Chiyo has ever even brought that up in the main storyline.

Obito called him weak, but it's not like he really meant it. Kaguya was a drone. Madara complimented his skills with sharingan. Orochimaru never really had an opinion about him outside of pt 1, but I was talkin about pt 2 villains. Pein flat out said it was an honor to meet him, and he wouldn't even come close to his body to kill him because he's that good.

Zabuza wasn't beating him up, he only got trapped in the water prison because he was protecting 4 other people who were no match for Zabuza. In a one v one Zabuza was owned, even after he countered the Sharingan. Orochimaru didn't make him piss his pants, as he still was willing to put his life on the line to protect Sasuke. Itachi did one shot him with Tsukuyomi though.

However just because he had conflict with Orochimaru and Itachi doesn't mean Kakashi isn't top tier, because Itachi and Orochimaru were both top 5 in pt 1.

and they would both destroy a kakashi with no 3T. all of the akatsuki would destroy kakashi. the only person he could maybe beat is hidan and thats not saying much

 

[Gagster]

No he isn't mostly known for being the white fang's son. Only Chiyo has ever even brought that up in the main storyline.

Obito called him weak, but it's not like he really meant it. Kaguya was a drone. Madara complimented his skills with sharingan. Orochimaru never really had an opinion about him outside of pt 1, but I was talkin about pt 2 villains. Pein flat out said it was an honor to meet him, and he wouldn't even come close to his body to kill him because he's that good.

Zabuza wasn't beating him up, he only got trapped in the water prison because he was protecting 4 other people who were no match for Zabuza. In a one v one Zabuza was owned, even after he countered the Sharingan. Orochimaru didn't make him piss his pants, as he still was willing to put his life on the line to protect Sasuke. Itachi did one shot him with Tsukuyomi though.

However just because he had conflict with Orochimaru and Itachi doesn't mean Kakashi isn't top tier, because Itachi and Orochimaru were both top 5 in pt 1.

Top tier in part 1 is Jaraiya, Hiruzen, Itachi, Orochimaru, Tsunade

Top tier in part 2 is NaruSas, Hashirama,Madara,Kaguya

Kakashi has never been "S" class by himself, and even when he was it was only temporary.

Top tier, literally means top. Not just higher than some others.

 

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

and they would both destroy a kakashi with no 3T. all of the akatsuki would destroy kakashi. the only person he could maybe beat is hidan and thats not saying much

Well then it's a good thing all of Akatsuki is dead (thanks, in part to Kakashi) and Orochimaru is no longer a factor.

Top tier in part 1 is Jaraiya, Hiruzen, Itachi, Orochimaru, Tsunade

Top tier in part 2 is NaruSas, Hashirama,Madara,Kaguya

Kakashi has never been "S" class by himself, and even when he was it was only temporary.

Top tier, literally means top. Not just higher than some others.

You seem to be under the impression that tier lists exist inside of the Manga itself. Kakashi is an elite Jonin, and now he is the Hokage of the strongest village in the Ninja world.

He is a top tier ninja, as in upper echelon or highly skilled, and he's been S rank since the early days of pt 1. So I have no idea what you mean by he's never been S rank by himself.

 

[Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze]

hiruzen adleast had 5 elements

even earth-mud style ;x

 

[ShiroT]

Well then it's a good thing all of Akatsuki is dead (thanks, in part to Kakashi) and Orochimaru is no longer a factor.



You seem to be under the impression that tier lists exist inside of the Manga itself. Kakashi is an elite Jonin, and now he is the Hokage of the strongest village in the Ninja world.

He is a top tier ninja, as in upper echelon or highly skilled, and he's been S rank since the early days of pt 1. So I have no idea what you mean by he's never been S rank by himself.

but thats the point. if anyone comes along with remotely any skill kakashi would lose and put the village in danger, a kage that isnt strong enough to defend his village shouldnt be hokage

 

[Gagster]

Well then it's a good thing all of Akatsuki is dead (thanks, in part to Kakashi) and Orochimaru is no longer a factor.



You seem to be under the impression that tier lists exist inside of the Manga itself. Kakashi is an elite Jonin, and now he is the Hokage of the strongest village in the Ninja world.

He is a top tier ninja, as in upper echelon or highly skilled, and he's been S rank since the early days of pt 1. So I have no idea what you mean by he's never been S rank by himself.

Position doesn't define his power, by that standard the Daimyō is stonger than Kakashi. Elite Jonin also isn't an impressive rank, Ebisu is an "elite" Jonin, the same rank as Kakashi.

Kakashi isn't S rank, he would have to be a missing ninja to be S rank. And he can't defeat anyone who is really S rank, so as far as I'm concerned he isn't in the "upper echelon", he's probably somewhere in the middle, and now that his Sharingon is gone who knows how far he's fallen.

 

[Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze]

Position doesn't define his power, by that standard the Daimyō is stonger than Kakashi. Elite Jonin also isn't an impressive rank, Ebisu is an "elite" Jonin, the same rank as Kakashi.

Kakashi isn't S rank, he would have to be a missing ninja to be S rank. And he can't defeat anyone who is really S rank, so as far as I'm concerned he isn't in the "upper echelon", he's probably somewhere in the middle, and now that his Sharingon is gone who knows how far he's fallen.

dude erase those damn questions mark, it makes you look like a jackass trying to cause problems to the mods because you got told about your signature and got it removed, c'mon now.

 

[Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze]

Position doesn't define his power, by that standard the Daimyō is stonger than Kakashi. Elite Jonin also isn't an impressive rank, Ebisu is an "elite" Jonin, the same rank as Kakashi.

Kakashi isn't S rank, he would have to be a missing ninja to be S rank. And he can't defeat anyone who is really S rank, so as far as I'm concerned he isn't in the "upper echelon", he's probably somewhere in the middle, and now that his Sharingon is gone who knows how far he's fallen.

Tokubetsu Jōnin (特別上忍, Tokubetsu Jōnin; English TV "Special Jōnin"; Literally meaning "Special High Ninja"; sometimes known as Tokujō for short) are ninja who, rather than all-around jōnin training, have jōnin-level ability in a specific area or skill, much like warrant officers in real-world militaries. They are elite specialists in their areas and are often assigned as subordinates to regular jōnin when their services are needed. One example of a Tokubetsu Jōnin is Ibiki Morino, whose unique ability to completely understand the workings of the human mind makes him a jōnin-level interrogation expert.

So no... a jonin, and an anbu commander for that matter, cannot be compared to a tokubetsu jonin.

genin < chunin < tokubetsu jonin < **medical nin (my opinion here)***< jonin < anbu < commander of the anbu < kage

 

[xKiD SPiiD3rMaN]

Position doesn't define his power, by that standard the Daimyō is stonger than Kakashi. Elite Jonin also isn't an impressive rank, Ebisu is an "elite" Jonin, the same rank as Kakashi.

Kakashi isn't S rank, he would have to be a missing ninja to be S rank. And he can't defeat anyone who is really S rank, so as far as I'm concerned he isn't in the "upper echelon", he's probably somewhere in the middle, and now that his Sharingon is gone who knows how far he's fallen.

but thats the point. if anyone comes along with remotely any skill kakashi would lose and put the village in danger, a kage that isnt strong enough to defend his village shouldnt be hokage

At this point, Im not going to convince either one of you to alter your viewpoint of him, and you aren't going to convince me to alter mine. So all I have to say is that I respectfully disagree with your opinions.

I think Kakashi will do fine as a hokage without sharingan. We'll see when the movie comes out. If he gets his ass whooped make sure to bump this thread and I will concede my defeat, much like Sasuke.

Tokubetsu Jōnin (特別上忍, Tokubetsu Jōnin; English TV "Special Jōnin"; Literally meaning "Special High Ninja"; sometimes known as Tokujō for short) are ninja who, rather than all-around jōnin training, have jōnin-level ability in a specific area or skill, much like warrant officers in real-world militaries. They are elite specialists in their areas and are often assigned as subordinates to regular jōnin when their services are needed. One example of a Tokubetsu Jōnin is Ibiki Morino, whose unique ability to completely understand the workings of the human mind makes him a jōnin-level interrogation expert.

So no... a jonin, and an anbu commander for that matter, cannot be compared to a tokubetsu jonin.

genin < chunin < tokubetsu jonin < **medical nin (my opinion here)***< jonin < anbu < commander of the anbu < kage

Anbu isn't necessarily higher than Jonin, and commander of the Anbu is technically the Kage. Anbu is like a separate branch from the main ranks. I believe that skilled chuunin can be in the Anbu as well, correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Gagster]

At this point, Im not going to convince either one of you to alter your viewpoint of him, and you aren't going to convince me to alter mine. So all I have to say is that I respectfully disagree with your opinions.

I think Kakashi will do fine as a hokage without sharingan. We'll see when the movie comes out. If he gets his ass whooped make sure to bump this thread and I will concede my defeat, much like Sasuke.



Anbu isn't necessarily higher than Jonin, and commander of the Anbu is technically the Kage. Anbu is like a separate branch from the main ranks. I believe that skilled chuunin can be in the Anbu as well, correct me if I'm wrong.

How would he not get his ass whooped? Even with Kamui he lost to Deva and Asura path, and this villain is going to be much more powerful than pain. How could you possibly think he's somehow going to get strong enough on his own to put up a fight against him?

 

[Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze]

At this point, Im not going to convince either one of you to alter your viewpoint of him, and you aren't going to convince me to alter mine. So all I have to say is that I respectfully disagree with your opinions.

I think Kakashi will do fine as a hokage without sharingan. We'll see when the movie comes out. If he gets his ass whooped make sure to bump this thread and I will concede my defeat, much like Sasuke.



Anbu isn't necessarily higher than Jonin, and commander of the Anbu is technically the Kage. Anbu is like a separate branch from the main ranks. I believe that skilled chuunin can be in the Anbu as well, correct me if I'm wrong.

no commander of the anbu was kakashi, then itachi. the kage gave the orders and the part of the anbu served under the kage. then the other part under danzo.

 

[Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze]

How would he not get his ass whooped? Even with Kamui he lost to Deva and Asura path, and this villain is going to be much more powerful than pain. How could you possibly think he's somehow going to get strong enough on his own to put up a fight against him?

he definitely would get his ass whopped now hahaha such a sad fact... such a fat troll he got pulled on... poor kakashi. I guess obito needs to rest in peace. But damn, Kishi didn't really need to make madara take his eye, he could have done something else so to not diminish his value.

 

[EZQ]

Kishi messedup.

DMS Kakashi bullshit-level powerful. I mean, he was truly a god-level shinobi. It was a stupid move.

And now we have no sharingan kakashi, who is High jonnin level.

1 MS Kakashi was just perfect for him.

 

[spade3dg]

Sure, so whats the point? I allready said he was smart, but being smart is not going to save him from an attack from Ay for example. He needs power along with intlligence. Thats when your dangerous. Not saying any other village is going to attack him, but the threat of a powerfull Hokage scares enemies from even considering attacking. Orochimaru waited and waited and waited for Lord Jiraiya to leave Konoha before attacking Hiruzen. So he can do the same with Kakashi, wait until Sasuke & Naruto are gone and attack him.

Kakashi has one of the best reputations in the NV. People know better. They won't try to attack him at all.

Kakashi is mid kage level. He doesn't need one shot jutsu. He now has higher chakra reserves , less chakra strain and his 1000 jutsu. Only fodders try to downplay him. He was badass before the sharingan, he'll be badass after it.

He only said he was useless during the Kaguya fight. Nobody else will be in Kaguyas level.