Sasuke's limits?

[OG sama]

More intelligent than Hagoromo?

More powerful than Hagoromo with just Uchiha and Rinnegan?

Dude, Hagoromo had Bijuu, Rinnegan, Senjutsu of the highest level, Yin and Yang release seals, and was able to remain after death.

Sasuke was powered up by receiving half of Hagoromo's power, if he hasn't mastered his Rinnegan than he hasn't mastered half of Hagoromo's power.



The Gedo Mazo was drained of it.

Also Susanoo is just a chakra construct not a solid object, remember that Madara did the same thing with Kurama and it ended once his Susanoo was released.

Well maybe your right, I still feel he may be able to access it though, due to it matching him. A lightning god.

 

[Transcendence]

Sasuke was born with chakra as well genius, everyone is thanks to Hagoromo.

The only two people who knew about Chakra besides him was Kaguya and Hamura, Hagoromo had to invent all of this on his own.

Must of what Sasuke invented was based off things that other people invented.

Kaguya didn't even want her kids to have chakra, she turned on them and tried to steal it, so Hagoromo had to invent a whole new way of using it without any help, he also divided the TB and was able to spread them.

Sasuke lived in an era where everyone knew about chakra, he has had many teachers.

There is no comparison.

That... wasn't my point. I'm of the belief that anyone with considerable intelligence (ala Sasuke) could have figured out how to use chakra in the same way that Hagoromo did. Obviously Sasuke was born into an era with knowledge on chakra. It's 1000 years later. He didn't have the benefit of being one of the first two people being born with chakra.

 

[TrollKing]

Sasuke was born with chakra as well genius, everyone is thanks to Hagoromo.

The only two people who knew about Chakra besides him was Kaguya and Hamura, Hagoromo had to invent all of this on his own.

Must of what Sasuke invented was based off things that other people invented.

Kaguya didn't even want her kids to have chakra, she turned on them and tried to steal it, so Hagoromo had to invent a whole new way of using it without any help, he also divided the TB and was able to spread them.

Sasuke lived in an era where everyone knew about chakra, he has had many teachers.

There is no comparison.

You are high. Tell me one intelligent thing hugohomo done is intelligent ever since he showed up.

Telling us kakashi is a god? Or giving sasky yin power to try to kill naruto? Favoring ashura which he regretted? And regretted giving sasky yin power? Or simply running from solo glance?? XD

 

[saw2097]

That... wasn't my point. I'm of the belief that anyone with considerable intelligence (ala Sasuke) could have figured out how to use chakra in the same way that Hagoromo did. Obviously Sasuke was born into an era with knowledge on chakra. It's 1000 years later. He didn't have the benefit of being one of the first two people being born with chakra.

Oh really, do you have any proof or is this just your vast assumptions based on you liking Sasuke so much.


We all know gravity exists now, does that mean we could all have easily discovered it before the guy who discovered it did.

People lived for thousands of years before he did yet nobody discovered gravity until an apple fell on his head.

Also by your argument anyone who was born today and is intelligent could have figured out all of Einstein's discoveries before he did if they lived in his era.

He had to figure out all those theories and he didn't have computers or teachers to guide him with his discoveries.

You are high. Tell me one intelligent thing hugohomo done is intelligent ever since he showed up.

Telling us kakashi is a god? Or giving sasky yin power to try to kill naruto? Favoring ashura which he regretted? And regretted giving sasky yin power? Or simply running from solo glance?? XD

Wow, you aren't that bright.

How did the Sage run from solo glance?

He is already dead, as for intelligent feats lets see:

invented Ninshou,

figured out how to break the Infinite Tsukuyomi,

figured out how to manipulate Yin and Yang release to perform creation of all things,

and was able to figure out with only his brother how to seal his mother away.

 

[Transcendence]

Oh really, do you have any proof or is this just your vast assumptions based on you liking Sasuke so much.


We all know gravity exists now, does that mean we could all have easily discovered it before the guy who discovered it did.

People lived for thousands of years before he did yet nobody discovered gravity until an apple fell on his head.

If Hagoromo is so intelligent, why didn't he have the hindsight to promote cooperation between his sons, as opposed to needing to see one of his sons way of life in order to concoct an ideal which he could have thought of himself years and years before they were born. This decision lead to every single problem seen in the Narutoverse, all because of a lack of hindsight from a supposedly intelligent person. Again, my point is, when given the means to figure something out, it doesn't become all that difficulty. Refer back to my automobile argument. Sasuke has shown that he is intelligent and he can figure out the pure mechanics of a technique extremely quickly. Likewise, people like Itachi, Minato and Tobirama would have likely been able to figure out the purpose of chakra through sheer analytical ability alone.

 

[UCE]

Wait! We forgot that he only had the EMS for a short amount of time, we can assume he had it for a day(at best) i belive he can still continue to develop the EMS more, hell, his mastery of the black flame's is impressive. Why not proceed to master it more? I mean, he has all the time he wants. As for the rinnegan, judging from the movie posters and trailer, it seems that he isn't Around the leaf village as much. He'll probably continue to master the rinnegan while his wondering the world, idk, but sure as hell his showing promise with it. If he was able to manipulate and doing great things with amateratsu, imagine him mastering all of the paths, sweet.

 

[saw2097]

If Hagoromo is so intelligent, why didn't he have the hindsight to promote cooperation between his sons, as opposed to needing to see one of his sons way of life in order to concoct an ideal which he could have thought of himself years and years before they were born. This decision lead to every single problem seen in the Narutoverse, all because of a lack of hindsight from a supposedly intelligent person. Again, my point is, when given the means to figure something out, it doesn't become all that difficulty. Refer back to my automobile argument. Sasuke has shown that he is intelligent and he can figure out the pure mechanics of a technique extremely quickly. Likewise, people like Itachi, Minato and Tobirama would have likely been able to figure out the purpose of chakra through sheer analytical ability alone.

By this argument if Sasuke is smarter shouldn't he have thought of cooperating with Naruto?

Also just figuring out a Jutsu when you have already been tought the fundamentals of chakra and how jutsu work in a school is very different then inventing a whole new method of using it without any form of precedent.

You are simply being a fanboy at this point.

 

[Transcendence]

By this argument if Sasuke is smarter shouldn't he have thought of cooperating with Naruto?

You are simply being a fanboy at this point.

How am I being a fan boy when I outright state not only Sasuke, but similarly intelligent people could have divined the same knowledge on chakra, rather than only saying Sasuke is capable of that? Sasuke didn't want to cooperate, which I agree, but his "answer" came from lots and lots of thinking after learning about the past, and you seem to omit the fact that he has gone through considerable turmoil in his life, which hinders his emotional and psychological state; hence the radicalism within his revolutionary ideal. Hagoromo had no such thing to deal with, so his decision was purely of his ignorance and lack of insight.

 

[Crossroads]

I leave to watch The Walking Dead and all hell breaks loose.

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[saw2097]

How am I being a fan boy when I outright state not only Sasuke, but similarly intelligent people could have divined the same knowledge on chakra, rather than only saying Sasuke is capable of that? Sasuke didn't want to cooperate, which I agree, but his "answer" came from lots and lots of thinking after learning about the past, and you seem to omit the fact that he has gone through considerable turmoil in his life, which hinders his emotional and psychological state; hence the radicalism within his revolutionary ideal. Hagoromo had no such thing to deal with, so his decision was purely of his ignorance and lack of insight.

If everyone can figure it out on their own then why do they need teachers and schools?

And how does having a hard life justify Sasuke's action when you were accusing the Sage of being less intelligent for trusting one son?

The Sage's own mother turned on him and tried to drain him, you do recall that his mother IS the evil god that everyone was fighting against.

You have nothing to back your argument up with, this is just you saying Sasuke is smarter because you like his character and are fanboying.

 

[Stxluciferr]

Well I already believe he can use rennigan/Sharingon techs with susanoo

-The eyes and susanoo have already been shown to not be connected yet when Sasuke was immune to IT he was able to chanel the immunity of the rennigan through susanoo

-Sasukes use of Enton has shown he can use susanoo to form Enton/Amaterasu

-And he already used chidori with it

Mastery of the rennigan should help put him back up there

 

[Crossroads]

"You are fanboying" = I don't have a logical counter so it's time to throw out the petty insults.

@Transcendence, I pretty much agree with everything you've typed.​

 

[Transcendence]

If everyone can figure it out on their own then why do they need teachers and schools?

And how does having a hard life justify Sasuke's action when you were accusing the Sage of being less intelligent for trusting one son?

The Sage's own mother turned on him and tried to drain him, you do recall that his mother IS the evil god that everyone was fighting against.

You have nothing to back your argument up with, this is just you saying Sasuke is smarter because you like his character and are fanboying.

Because psychological states are affected by emotional trauma? How hard of a concept is that to grasp? And Hagoromo didn't even know that the Juubi was his mother fused with the Shinju. He only found out after they had sealed her and he came back to the real world. At this point we're just going to argue semantics while all your retorts are just going to consist of similar arguments while calling me a fan boy. Better to just leave it at that.

 

[saw2097]

"You are fanboying" = I don't have a logical counter so it's time to throw out the petty insults.​

I did present a logical counter, did you even read the issue that was being debated.

Or do you believe that Sasuke is smarter than the Sage and that anyone can invent what he did without any form of education.

 

[FleeOnSight]

Tecgnically because he has 1 arm solo clap no more. So take that off.

 

[Crossroads]

I did present a logical counter, did you even read the issue that was being debated.

Or do you believe that Sasuke is smarter than the Sage and that anyone can invent what he did without any form of education.

I believe that Sasuke can obtain the information and skill needed to use the Rinnegan on the Sage's level. Do I believe he'll ever be as knowledgeable? Probably not.

There's so many things about the Sage we don't know. Hell, there's still so many questions that will go unanswered after the manga ends.​

 

[saw2097]

I love how Sasuke fanboys accuse me of not presenting a logical counter yet never actually provide any solid proof of their argument.

 

[TrollKing]

Oh really, do you have any proof or is this just your vast assumptions based on you liking Sasuke so much.


We all know gravity exists now, does that mean we could all have easily discovered it before the guy who discovered it did.

People lived for thousands of years before he did yet nobody discovered gravity until an apple fell on his head.

Also by your argument anyone who was born today and is intelligent could have figured out all of Einstein's discoveries before he did if they lived in his era.

He had to figure out all those theories and he didn't have computers or teachers to guide him with his discoveries.



Wow, you aren't that bright.

How did the Sage run from solo glance?

He is already dead, as for intelligent feats lets see:

invented Ninshou,

figured out how to break the Infinite Tsukuyomi,

figured out how to manipulate Yin and Yang release to perform creation of all things,

and was able to figure out with only his brother how to seal his mother away.

1. Dead man should stay in the grave than to having a cup of tea on earth. Not as dead as it sounds

2. Ninshu? That's nothing but simply controlling his chakra, its a fancy way of saying "the law of breath"

3. Heck he has rinnegans and know his mama whole life. If he can't figure out, he's gotta be brain dead

4. Yin and yang?? Are you serious??? That is basically the power of his left and right hand. Even a dumbass can figure out how to work with two hands giving him 30 years of time

5. He and his bro been spoonfed by his mama like there's no tomorrow since birth, is it really that much of a challenge for him??? XD

 

[Transcendence]

Calling us fanboys? When we're some of the only true fans of Sasuke on the base? Meh, it's typical of NB members at this point.

 

[saw2097]

I believe that Sasuke can obtain the information and skill needed to use the Rinnegan on the Sage's level. Do I believe he'll ever be as knowledgeable? Probably not.

There's so many things about the Sage we don't know. Hell, there's still so many questions that will go unanswered after the manga ends.​

Then how can there be a logical argument that Sasuke is more intelligent than the Sage?

The Sage was able to invent Ninshou, and the Sage didn't have access to an education about chakra works like Sasuke did.

Its one thing to understand something that you can learn in school and apply it in new ways, (or with the Rinnegan use something new but connects with previous education).

The Sage came from a era when only three people could use chakra, he had to figure it all out on his own, and was able to invent Ninshou.

Calling us fanboys? When we're some of the only true fans of Sasuke on the base? Meh, it's typical of NB members at this point.

I have debated with real Sasuke fans, and non of them would just jump up and down and say that Sasuke was more intelligent than the Sage with the only backing to their argument being because they think so.

That is how I know you are a fanboy.