Prime Hiruzen + Enma = Undefeated?

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The Third Raikage decimates Hiruzen, despite the hype. There is no reason to believe otherwise outside of hype. Onoki is one ninja.

You want to tell me being stronger than 2 superb (likely only stronger than 1 superb) shinobi makes one unbeatable?

Those two ninjas stood at the top of their respective villages, by basic comprehension one can come upon the conclusion that he was stronger than ninja of the stone and cloud . You are nitpicking, those two were simply an example per se of his ability. Hiruzen does beat The third Raikage and the other Kage that reined during the time.
 

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Guys Dad can solo prime Hiruzen.
 

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Those two ninjas stood at the top of their respective villages, by basic comprehension one can come upon the conclusion that he was stronger than ninja of the stone and cloud . You are nitpicking, those two were simply an example per se of his ability. Hiruzen does beat The third Raikage and the other Kage that reined during the time.

The third Kazekage was defeated by a 16 year old. The Mizukage was a child.

There are jonin who could defeat these kage, so why should I believe Hiruzen is a god amongst men?
 

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I go by facts, not blind belief and hype.

Ok, so by that logic Susano'o is an unbreakable defense. I forgot you had to be spoonfed factual information.

So if a switch only has an off and on button, that means to by factual evidence the light will only turn on or off. So that means I would defy factual logic if I tweak the switch and make it a dimmer. HMMMMMM I guess you can't take "Factual information " at face value when you the reader come upon that to be true.
 

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Ok, so by that logic Susano'o is an unbreakable defense. I forgot you had to be spoonfed factual information.

So if a switch only has an off and on button, that means to by factual evidence the light will only turn on or off. So that means I would defy factual logic if I tweak the switch and make it a dimmer. HMMMMMM I guess you can't take "Factual information " at face value when you the reader come upon that to be true.

This is just the worst response I've read here. Just.... abysmal.
 

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The third Kazekage was defeated by a 16 year old. The Mizukage was a child.

There are jonin who could defeat these kage, so why should I believe Hiruzen is a god amongst men?

That was no ordinary 16 year old.
 

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I could've sworn orichimaru killed fodder hiruzen and his fodder pet enma

Hiruzen killed himself to defeat Orochimaru and seal Orochimarus jutsu.
 

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Yet at an old age he pushed the 9 tailes out of Konoha and defeated Tobirana & Hashirama edo's. So one can presume at his prime he was even stronger. Just beacause no one challenged him doesnt make him a fodder.

Well he was said to be stronger than hashirama at prime. But part 2 seems to have put hashirama on a huge pedestal where hiruzens hype seems like nothing.
 

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actually Orochimaru's little snakes succeed in capturing enma and hold him untill sarutobi died

enma is weak
 

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The same fans that tell me Hiruzen is a God tell me Sasori is weaker than Sakura. So which is it? Which do you want to stick to?


I see you are lost, you just clumped an entire group of people to believe that Sasori is weaker than Sakura, you are digressing bad my friend, get a hold of yourself. You are slipping through the cracks.
 

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No, you simply dont have a logical response to something you know you are wrong.
Do better next time Necro. I believe in you.

You're just upset that a character you believe in so vehemently has no feats to back him up, and nearly every single piece of evidence to the contrary has been retconned in recent manga chapters.

If you have nothing left to present other than spam, then please direct it to VM so reports do not have to be submitted. If you have more substance to convince me of what cannot be seen, I will respond to it.
 

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12 years old Naruto defeated him twice though. hmm
Naruto solos. XD
 

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You're just upset that a character you believe in so vehemently has no feats to back him up, and nearly every single piece of evidence to the contrary has been retconned in recent manga chapters.

If you have nothing left to present other than spam, then please direct it to VM so reports do not have to be submitted. If you have more substance to convince me of what cannot be seen, I will respond to it.
No sir, getting mad upset for a fictional character is not something i do. There is nothing in my responses that can lead on to believe such foolish remarks, we are simply having a discussion where evidently we have different views. Dont start throwing mud around Necro,or you'll get dirty. Its not spam when the user is still tied to the thread topic's at hand, You are simply scared of conflict and resort to such, I'm not the one spitting accusations of Sakura being stronger than Sasori when both these characters have nothing to do with the thread.
Hiruzen is a formidable ninja, people with Logic (clearly you lack a bit in that department) know and can come to the conclusion. Hiruzen that can spam Kage Bushin, have a powerful chakra control not to mention exert that chakra even at old age, hold his position and be unopposed for decades is something to boast about. Now go back a few years and you have a ninja that can do such things at a greater scale, that includes stamina, raw physical power and speed, which deteriorate over time consequently, and a ninja that knows and can use all techniques found in konoha, excluding KKG is no laughing matter. You simply like to bandwagon. You must believe that the flashier the technique the more potent it is. Beating an old Hiruzen is not impressive. He was simply a shadow of his former self.
Oh and next time dont go around saying you'll report cause we all have that button Necro.
 

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Who did Prime Hiruzen face at his time?
 

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No sir, getting mad upset for a fictional character is not something i do. There is nothing in my responses that can lead on to believe such foolish remarks, we are simply having a discussion where evidently we have different views. Dont start throwing mud around Necro,or you'll get dirty. Its not spam when the user is still tied to the thread topic's at hand, You are simply scared of conflict and resort to such, I'm not the one spitting accusations of Sakura being stronger than Sasori when both these characters have nothing to do with the thread.
Hiruzen is a formidable ninja, people with Logic (clearly you lack a bit in that department) know and can come to the conclusion. Hiruzen that can spam Kage Bushin, have a powerful chakra control not to mention exert that chakra even at old age, hold his position and be unopposed for decades is something to boast about. Now go back a few years and you have a ninja that can do such things at a greater scale, that includes stamina, raw physical power and speed, which deteriorate over time consequently, and a ninja that knows and can use all techniques found in konoha, excluding KKG is no laughing matter. You simply like to bandwagon. You must believe that the flashier the technique the more potent it is. Beating an old Hiruzen is not impressive. He was simply a shadow of his former self.
Oh and next time dont go around saying you'll report cause we all have that button Necro.

There's as much assumption in this post as their is in Hiruzen's ability.

I'm sorry you can't see the merit in the sasori comment, as it directly correlated with the main topic of the thread. Or perhaps you didn't read those comments.

I never said Hiruzen wasn't formidable, but to place him in the higher echelon of shinobi is foolish.

Fanboys overrate him, that's what I'm saying. Perhaps you could see that if you would take the time to read comments instead of writing paragraphs of useless conjecture fueled by insulting undertones.
 
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