Sakura is a bad role model

[salsalover64]

After a while it gets boring Tsunades part atleast. The pairing is gonna happen soon so hinata and Sakura will get all teh attention.
Im also suprised its a girl who made the boob thread, since shes straight ya know. I mean you wont see me posting a thread abnout who has the largest D, well I might have went too far there but you got the point.

Now that would be an interesting thread. XD I mean..naruto did get pretty quiet when sai made a remark about his genitals.

 

[Tennis Robot]

You COULD but you haven't instead you're deliberately choosing to generalize based on stereotypes you believe to be true. You can't seem to distinguish between facts, knowledge, and beliefs. You BELIEVE and have created a stereotype of over 50% of women based on your limited experiences instead of the facts of psychology and human development. As I've stated before I don't consider anecdotal evidence a real argument because there's no way for us to determine your level of honesty or what really happened despite your perspective. So that point is invalid.




If we're analyzing how realistic sakura is as a character and whether or not she represents the average girl then we have to analyze her behavior and the reasoning behind it, you can't just cherry pick what you see fit by not including her behavior towards sakura int he most recent manga. You don't seem to be able to distinguish healthy behavior and unhealthy behavior for women. Sasuke is not a "bad boy" by any means of the word. However, he is a sociopath and there's evidence to prove it. if you believe it's common for women to fall in love with sociopaths then you're mistaken. If you believe it's average for women to be as codependent, needy, insecure, emotionally and psychologically unstable then you're mistaken. You've cherry picked one aspect of sakuras character and called her a "realistic character" insecurity alone is not sufficient when coming to a definitive conclusion about how realistic or unrealistic her character is and drawing on your personal experiences instead of considering outside evidence is short sighted and narrow minded.




And you're not listening to my point so let me try writing it in a way you can understand. *ahem* ALL WOMEN IN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIPS CONTINUE TO RUN BACK TO THEIR ABUSERS IN THE BELIEF THAT THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR SAVING OR SUPPORTING THEM IN SOME WAY BECAUSE THEY FEEL A SENSE OF GUILT AND RESPONSIBILITY. Not just older married women. Really....it could be argued that even women in manipulative relationships experience the same thing. I don't see anything coming out of this argument because all you're really doing is limiting your perspective to personal experiences. If you want to have a skewed messed up close minded view of women then who am I to stop you?? Enjoy your day.

Are you any better for ridiculing his comment instead of simply trying to articulate your thoughts on the topic? Do you think that using such a berating/condescending tone is more likely to make someone consider what you have to say?

 

[salsalover64]

Are you any better for ridiculing his comments instead of simply trying to articulate your thoughts on the topic?

I did..in fact as you can see I responded point by point and broke it down to make sure the thought posted were organized.

 

[KilluaZoldyck]

Yes. However, this "act of kindness" is not meritable in the least.

Kakashi gave up on Sasuke when the time came for it. Sakura should have as well.

The only individual in this manga to have the right to not give up is Naruto because
a) Sasuke has the strongest bond with him. b) They can relate. c) They're near the same powerlevel. d) Sasuke is willing to listen/fight him but no one else.

Some people in real life wish to go on their own path and should be respected for that. Sasuke has that right just as much as anyone else does. He doesn't need "saving", Kishimoto is only having Naruto do this in order to reinforce common friendship themes in shounen for kids.

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But didn't she? When she tried to go off and kill him? Hadn't she given up on Sasuke at that moment and believed he had fallen so low to the point of no return?

And didn't Kakashi make her feel ashamed of even contemplating the act, because she shouldn't carry that burden for herself? And didn't Naruto get mad at her as well. He was the one who stirred up hope in her again if I'm not mistaken.

In retrospect, Kishimoto treated her character pretty poorly.

 

[Tennis Robot]

I did..in fact as you can see I responded point by point and broke it down to make sure the thought posted were organized.

So the insults directed at him were part of your view on Sakura? And do you normally address people with that condescending tone?

 

[salsalover64]

So the insults directed at him were part of your view on Sakura?And do you normally address people with that condescending tone?

Insults huh??? To me an insult is a statement designed with the purpose of deliberately taking a personal dig at the other person that's not the case in this situation. If you reread what I wrote you'll notice it's more of me calling him out on his anecdotal evidence he thought would be appropriate in a debate. Even if I did generally address people with a condescending tone who really cares??? If you choose to perceive it as condescending then there's nothing I can do about that.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

If girls wanna use Sakura as a role model. Than be a boxer and punch a guy like this.

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[Djokovic]

Now that would be an interesting thread. XD I mean..naruto did get pretty quiet when sai made a remark about his genitals.

Was that really canon? If so that must have hurt. xD

 

[Tennis Robot]

Insults huh??? To me an insult is a statement designed with the purpose of deliberately taking a personal dig at the other person that's not the case in this situation. If you reread what I wrote you'll notice it's more of me calling him out on his anecdotal evidence he thought would be appropriate in a debate.

When you were typing your comment, did you have his feelings on your mind? Did you form your response in a way that you thought he would react positively to? Were you hoping for him to see it and gain new understanding or were you trying to make him feel foolish? What did you expect him to think when he read it?

 

[Brietta Ino]

I agree with Fayon
that Karin tried to rape sasuke
sakura haters disgust me

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

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But didn't she? When she tried to go off and kill him? Hadn't she given up on Sasuke at that moment and believed he had fallen so low to the point of no return?

And didn't Kakashi make her feel ashamed of even contemplating the act, because she shouldn't carry that burden for herself? And didn't Naruto get mad at her as well. He was the one who stirred up hope in her again if I'm not mistaken.

In retrospect, Kishimoto treated her character pretty poorly.

But how can you love a character that Kishi made poorly?

 

[salsalover64]

Was that really canon? If so that must have hurt. xD

Lol yeah, in fact if I recall correctly it was in one of the manga chapters when sakura and naruto first met sai. xD

 

[Tennis Robot]

But how can you love a character that Kishi made poorly?

Sometimes you can love the person, but not the character. And vice versa.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Sometimes you can love the person, but not the character. And vice versa.

Mind elaborating more on that?

 

[Tennis Robot]

Mind elaborating more on that?

Sasuke is a good character, but I hope that no one like him really exists.

Also, if you remember:

The girl I used to have in my sig/ava (Mari), is a pretty shitty character, but I love her personality.

 

[KilluaZoldyck]

But how can you love a character that Kishi made poorly?

You can still like a character and recognize their flaws. I'm not saying Sakura is poorly written, but she was definitely sidelined a lot and that proved to be her downfall. Besides, she's a fun character to analyze.

 

[salsalover64]

When you were typing your comment, did you have his feelings on your mind? Did you form your response in a way that you thought he would react positively to? Were you hoping for him to see it and gain new understanding or were you trying to make him feel foolish? What did you expect him to think when he read it?

If YOU want to consider those types of things when in a debate then great..props to you. The world needs more people like you. But I'm not obligated to appease people by mitigating the truth or my perspective. So no..I didn't and I stand by everything I said and I don't feel bad about it.

 

[Tennis Robot]

If YOU want to consider those types of things when in a debate then great..props to you. The world needs more people like you. But I'm not obligated to appease people by mitigating the truth or my perspective. So no..I didn't and I stand by everything I said and I don't feel bad about it.

Then don't you think you're wasting your time? Is your desire to be acknowledged so strong that you are willing to just throw words at people with no regard for what they think? Also, why would you deliberately choose to not behave the way that you wish more people would?

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Sasuke is a good character, but I hope that no one like him really exists.

Also, if you remember:

The girl I used to have in my sig/ava (Mari), is a pretty shitty character, but I love her personality.

So pretty much your trying to say. That if you overlook the flaws of the character and look at the goods. You can still like the character even if that character is poorly written? If that is what your trying to say than fair enough.

You can still like a character and recognize their flaws. I'm not saying Sakura is poorly written, but she was definitely sidelined a lot and that proved to be her downfall. Besides, she's a fun character to analyze.

Eh, I think she was poorly written. Had no goal or purpose besides having team seven together. I think if you can relate to that character than fine. But for those who can't, I really don't see the reason to like her character. I think shes a pretty average, boring character. But that is just me.

 

[salsalover64]

Then don't you think you're wasting your time? Is your desire to be acknowledged so strong that you are willing to just throw words at people with no regard for what they think? Also, why would you deliberately choose to not behave the way that you wish more people would?

Actually I have no desire to be acknowledged. My main desire is to be logical and objective. With that being said I think the term "throwing words out" is a bit of a stretch. I consider what I say carefully before I say it but I'm not in the business of polishing anyone's rose colored glasses or tiptoeing around their feelings. My courtesy and polite behavior is..well..out of courtesy. And as wonderful a person as I think people such as yourself are, being that way is not in my nature.