Sakura is a bad role model

[villain55]

I've been saying this for months.

 

[trollkingx]

i'll help with the charges

 

[xxSAGExx]

I hate it when people claim BS like this. It's disgraceful. That's how many TEENAGE/TWEENAGE girls act who are unbalanced, have latent feelings of insecurity, desperate, and don't seem to be mature enough to evaluate the outcome of the situation and the impact it will have on them as a person. Such is the mindset of a shallow, slow, desperate,insecure individual. But don't sit there and generalize all women simply because of a few giggly over zealous tweenagers who have an unrealistic and shallow thought process. People love to create archetypes in their heads, about this giggly, shallow, teenage girl who acts like sakura, when the truth is most women who behave like sakura are the ones who are in emotionally abusive/physically abusive relationships who carry a sense of guilt, remorse, and shame for the abuser. They can't identify the abusive behavior because they believe that the abuser is this individual who's suffering and in pain and in need of love and assistance which is what keeps them running back. Sakura fits this description to a T and I've explained this before. Really, based onw hat I know about the characters, and the series masashi does a horrible job representing women. There don't seem to be too many strong outspoken women in anime...I suppose one could also assert that there aren't very many realistic portrayals of men in the series either which is a fair assertion. With that being said it's a disservice to both men and women alike to compare them to characters in this series because of the unstable psychological state of most of the characters.

First off I said "many" not all so don't say I'm saying all girls are like that. Second, pretty much the majority of people are affected in some type of way that would cause them to be abused in some type of way. Could be from parents, siblings, grandparents, friends, boyfriend/girlfriend, teachers, bullies at school or in the neighborhood, or how they view other people around plus the environment around them. You can be abused mentally, physically, verbally, emotionally, and spiritually which can all affect how you perceive yourself and others so don't sit there and tell me things I lived through, seen, and learned about from classes I took.

Many girls go for the bad boys to try fix them or thinking their cool. They might have low self esteem and blame themself or think their love will help them get through the rough patch. Not all girls are like that but a lot are, some learn from their mistakes and some don't. Sakura in part 1 was in the stage of falling for the cool bad boy but she's not really in that stage right now but the feelings she had for Sasuke were strong and she would still feel that for her first love but she is still young, she might grow out of it or still feel it but not to the limits it's currently is at. Ino also still have feeling for Sasuke as shown when she was crying when K11 agreed to kill Sasuke and she was going to go right up to Sasuke when he arrived in the war until Choji/Shikamaru told her not too. That first love isn't going to just go away in 3 years when they spent about 7+ years of caring about him.

As I said above, a person can be affected by many people in many ways that could affect them mentally/physically, emotionally, spiritually, and/or verbally. Many people are affected by the people in their lives and the environment they are in. Guess what, Sakura was bullied as a kid about her forehead being big. Ever though that it affected her? Do you know how her relationship with her parents are? She showed to have low self esteem in part 1 and some in part 2.

 

[salsalover64]

First off I said "many" not all so don't say I'm saying all girls are like that. Second, pretty much the majority of people are affected in some type of way that would cause them to be abused in some type of way. Could be from parents, siblings, grandparents, friends, boyfriend/girlfriend, teachers, bullies at school or in the neighborhood, or how they view other people around plus the environment around them. You can be abused mentally, physically, verbally, emotionally, and spiritually which can all affect how you perceive yourself and others so don't sit there and tell me things I lived through, seen, and learned about from classes I took.

I don't consider anecdotal evidence, or over generalizations evidence. I don't care if you used "many", "most", or "majority" to me when you say many it suggests you're referring to well over 50% of the populous, with that being said I stand by my original point. You're over generalizing because you assume it's an average occurrence. Enduring bullies, less than ideal teachers..really all the things you've just named are not comparable to what an abused spouse experiences psychologically in situations of domestic violence which is exactly what I'm referring to. Sakura's behavior is dead on the behavior of someone who has experienced domestic violence, physical, or emotional abuse due to the characteristics I referred to in my previous post. Don't bring your emotional appeals, anecdotal evidence or generalizations into this debate because it just makes it look like you're incapable of being objective and logical.

Many girls go for the bad boys to try fix them or thinking their cool. They might have low self esteem and blame themself or think their love will help them get through the rough patch. Not all girls are like that but a lot are, some learn from their mistakes and some don't. Sakura in part 1 was in the stage of falling for the cool bad boy but she's not really in that stage right now but the feelings she had for Sasuke were strong and she would still feel that for her first love but she is still young, she might grow out of it or still feel it but not to the limits it's currently is at. Ino also still have feeling for Sasuke as shown when she was crying when K11 agreed to kill Sasuke and she was going to go right up to Sasuke when he arrived in the war until Choji/Shikamaru told her not too. That first love isn't going to just go away in 3 years when they spent about 7+ years of caring about him.

Sure there are women out there who proclaim their love for some one who tried to kill them,..they're called emotional/physical/ domestic violence victims. If you truly believe a stable, confident, women who has it together psychologically would proclaim their love for someone who tried to kill them then maybe you need to evaluate your perspective on women and do some serious soul searching regarding the type of women you grew up around.

As I said above, a person can be affected by many people in many ways that could affect them mentally/physically, emotionally, spiritually, and/or verbally. Many people are affected by the people in their lives and the environment they are in. Guess what, Sakura was bullied as a kid about her forehead being big. Ever though that it affected her? Do you know how her relationship with her parents are? She showed to have low self esteem in part 1 and some in part 2.

Of course they CAN I can Can is a tricky word and you use it so loosely that you defy your own logic. Can means that although the possibility of an outcome exists the possibility also exists that the occurrence could be an outlier in the top or bottom percentile as opposed to the average. The average human being experiences being bullied in some form or another and the average human being develops support systems or methods to overcome such occurrences which helps them become more psychologically balances and stable. Is it common for people to go through a period in life in which they experience insecurities?? Sure, is it common for people to become involved in abuse relationships because of said insecurities?? No. Sakura represents an outlier of a population. The bottom percentile who didn't get a lot of exposure to different support systems growing up or learn how to handle challenging situations with bullies. The mindset of the person who endures those types of difficulties is what determines the outcome. Not the situation in and of itself.

 

[Sjhsgjhsgjshjshjsh]

Don't blame the character If you interrupt the manga badly .Your shallow description of her character is nothing like what kishi portrayed her.

And for the love of god its not the character fault that someone take a fictional manga (about ninja who fight each other, mind you) character seriously .

The situations are different You cant compare it to real life

-obito killing his teacher and start a war because a girl.

- karin following and lusting over sasuke who doesn't want her to the point she plans to attack(rape) him at his sleep and then run to him like a dog after he stabbed her .

But sakura is the bad role model .

 

[salsalover64]

Don't blame the character If you interrupt the manga badly .Your shallow description of her character is nothing like what kishi portrayed her.

Reread that entire manga...in fact no..all you really have to do is reread the chapter in which she proclaims her love for a guy who tried to kill her TWICE. Sasuke spoke more logic in that chapter where he called sakura useless than anyone had in the entire series.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Don't blame the character If you interrupt the manga badly .Your shallow description of her character is nothing like what kishi portrayed her.

And for the love of god its not the character fault that someone take a fictional manga (about ninja who fight each other, mind you) character seriously .

The situations are different You cant compare it to real life

-obito killing his teacher and start a war because a girl.

- karin following and lusting over sasuke who doesn't want her to the point she plans to attack(rape) him at his sleep and then run to him like a dog after he stabbed her .

But sakura is the bad role model .

Uh, many people criticize the writing of Obito and Karin.

 

[Djokovic]

Meh comments are too long to read better go back to Hinata boob thread...

 

[salsalover64]

Meh comments are too long to read better go back to Hinata boob thread...

Lol, I'm surprised there is no tsunade boob thread.

 

[Chie]

Sakura is a very bad role model overall. In fact, no female character in this manga is a good role model, bar the side ones... like Shizune and Temari, I guess. Lol

The only positive traits Sakura has that one should try to achieve are...
-book smart
-and yeah. Book smart.

Many other characters are book smart, and can be positive role models overall. Temari comes to mind here.

 

[xxSAGExx]

I don't consider anecdotal evidence, or over generalizations evidence. I don't care if you used "many", "most", or "majority" to me when you say many it suggests you're referring to well over 50% of the populous, with that being said I stand by my original point. You're over generalizing because you assume it's an average occurrence. Enduring bullies, less than ideal teachers..really all the things you've just named are not comparable to what an abused spouse experiences psychologically in situations of domestic violence which is exactly what I'm referring to. Sakura's behavior is dead on the behavior of someone who has experienced domestic violence, physical, or emotional abuse due to the characteristics I referred to in my previous post. Don't bring your emotional appeals, anecdotal evidence or generalizations into this debate because it just makes it look like you're incapable of being objective and logical.




Sure there are women out there who proclaim their love for some one who tried to kill them,..they're called emotional/physical/ domestic violence victims. If you truly believe a stable, confident, women who has it together psychologically would proclaim their love for someone who tried to kill them then maybe you need to evaluate your perspective on women and do some serious soul searching regarding the type of women you grew up around.




Of course they CAN I can Can is a tricky word and you use it so loosely that you defy your own logic. Can means that although the possibility of an outcome exists the possibility also exists that the occurrence could be an outlier in the top or bottom percentile as opposed to the average. The average human being experiences being bullied in some form or another and the average human being develops support systems or methods to overcome such occurrences which helps them become more psychologically balances and stable. Is it common for people to go through a period in life in which they experience insecurities?? Sure, is it common for people to become involved in abuse relationships because of said insecurities?? No. Sakura represents an outlier of a population. The bottom percentile who didn't get a lot of exposure to different support systems growing up or learn how to handle challenging situations with bullies. The mindset of the person who endures those types of difficulties is what determines the outcome. Not the situation in and of itself.

Well yeah I'm talking about over 50%, I can go up to random girls and ask them about their past relationships and most of them would tell me about being with a bad guy or girl. Already thought of 6 with one being my dumb sister who had a baby with her bf who use to hit her and I had to stop him from choking her at one point, yet she is still with him and they have 4 kids now.

Did I say proclaim their love for someone who tried to kill them? I said fall for bad boys and they could be abused verbally, mentally, physically, and emotionally. Sasuke abused Sakura verbally, physically, and emotionally. These are things many relationships have, maybe not all but one or more of them. Sakura is still young, she is trying to justify Sasuke's actions because she loves him. A good movie that's somewhat like this is "Fear" where a girl is dating a crazy guy and she doesn't see it and oy wants to stick up for him until around the middle of the movie where he and his friends stalk and attack her family.

You're comparing Sakura to married women who are in abusive relationships but many of them are older than her and it was already said that Sakura doesn't want to make Sasuke hers but to save him.

 

[Chie]

Uh, many people criticize the writing of Obito and Karin.

They're two of the most disliked characters in Japan and the fandom overall. Lol

 

[Tennis Robot]

Be like Naruto. Everyone has different tastes though. I would have to understand the mind of a Sakura fan before I made that call. And the mind of Sakura, for that matter. I feel bad for her

 

[Dannie]

The bish is just shallow.

 

[Chie]

Well yeah I'm talking about over 50%, I can go up to random girls and ask them about their past relationships and most of them would tell me about being with a bad guy or girl. Already thought of 6 with one being my dumb sister who had a baby with her bf who use to hit her and I had to stop him from choking her at one point, yet she is still with him and they have 4 kids now.

Did I say proclaim their love for someone who tried to kill them? I said fall for bad boys and they could be abused verbally, mentally, physically, and emotionally. Sasuke abused Sakura verbally, physically, and emotionally. These are things many relationships have, maybe not all but one or more of them. Sakura is still young, she is trying to justify Sasuke's actions because she loves him. A good movie that's somewhat like this is "Fear" where a girl is dating a crazy guy and she doesn't see it and oy wants to stick up for him until around the middle of the movie where he and his friends stalk and attack her family.

You're comparing Sakura to married women who are in abusive relationships but many of them are older than her and it was already said that Sakura doesn't want to make Sasuke hers but to save him.

Yes. However, this "act of kindness" is not meritable in the least.

Kakashi gave up on Sasuke when the time came for it. Sakura should have as well.

The only individual in this manga to have the right to not give up is Naruto because
a) Sasuke has the strongest bond with him. b) They can relate. c) They're near the same powerlevel. d) Sasuke is willing to listen/fight him but no one else.

Some people in real life wish to go on their own path and should be respected for that. Sasuke has that right just as much as anyone else does. He doesn't need "saving", Kishimoto is only having Naruto do this in order to reinforce common friendship themes in shounen for kids.

 

[AshuraIsNaruto]

Don't blame the character If you interrupt the manga badly .Your shallow description of her character is nothing like what kishi portrayed her.

And for the love of god its not the character fault that someone take a fictional manga (about ninja who fight each other, mind you) character seriously .

The situations are different You cant compare it to real life

-obito killing his teacher and start a war because a girl.

- karin following and lusting over sasuke who doesn't want her to the point she plans to attack(rape) him at his sleep and then run to him like a dog after he stabbed her .

But sakura is the bad role model .

Point the finger at other characters if you want a shit character is still a shit character

 

[Djokovic]

Lol, I'm surprised there is no tsunade boob thread.

After a while it gets boring Tsunades part atleast. The pairing is gonna happen soon so hinata and Sakura will get all teh attention.
Im also suprised its a girl who made the boob thread, since shes straight ya know. I mean you wont see me posting a thread abnout who has the largest D, well I might have went too far there but you got the point.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Yes. However, this "act of kindness" is not meritable in the least.

Kakashi gave up on Sasuke when the time came for it. Sakura should have as well.

The only individual in this manga to have the right to not give up is Naruto because
a) Sasuke has the strongest bond with him. b) They can relate. c) They're near the same powerlevel. d) Sasuke is willing to listen/fight him but no one else.

Some people in real life wish to go on their own path and should be respected for that. Sasuke has that right just as much as anyone else does. He doesn't need "saving", Kishimoto is only having Naruto do this in order to reinforce common friendship themes in shounen for kids.

I don't know if you can really say that for sure. We don't know enough about Sakura to fully understand her thoughts, and I don't want to believe that her infatuation with Sasuke is based solely on his appearance.

 

[Dannie]

Point the finger at other characters if you want a shit character is still a shit character

Lol you're talking to a Sakura fangirl. No logic or level of sense will come from it.

 

[salsalover64]

Well yeah I'm talking about over 50%, I can go up to random girls and ask them about their past relationships and most of them would tell me about being with a bad guy or girl. Already thought of 6 with one being my dumb sister who had a baby with her bf who use to hit her and I had to stop him from choking her at one point, yet she is still with him and they have 4 kids now.

You COULD but you haven't instead you're deliberately choosing to generalize based on stereotypes you believe to be true. You can't seem to distinguish between facts, knowledge, and beliefs. You BELIEVE and have created a stereotype of over 50% of women based on your limited experiences instead of the facts of psychology and human development. As I've stated before I don't consider anecdotal evidence a real argument because there's no way for us to determine your level of honesty or what really happened despite your perspective. So that point is invalid.

Did I say proclaim their love for someone who tried to kill them? I said fall for bad boys and they could be abused verbally, mentally, physically, and emotionally. Sasuke abused Sakura verbally, physically, and emotionally. These are things many relationships have, maybe not all but one or more of them. Sakura is still young, she is trying to justify Sasuke's actions because she loves him. A good movie that's somewhat like this is "Fear" where a girl is dating a crazy guy and she doesn't see it and oy wants to stick up for him until around the middle of the movie where he and his friends stalk and attack her family.

If we're analyzing how realistic sakura is as a character and whether or not she represents the average girl then we have to analyze her behavior and the reasoning behind it, you can't just cherry pick what you see fit by not including her behavior towards sakura int he most recent manga. You don't seem to be able to distinguish healthy behavior and unhealthy behavior for women. Sasuke is not a "bad boy" by any means of the word. However, he is a sociopath and there's evidence to prove it. if you believe it's common for women to fall in love with sociopaths then you're mistaken. If you believe it's average for women to be as codependent, needy, insecure, emotionally and psychologically unstable then you're mistaken. You've cherry picked one aspect of sakuras character and called her a "realistic character" insecurity alone is not sufficient when coming to a definitive conclusion about how realistic or unrealistic her character is and drawing on your personal experiences instead of considering outside evidence is short sighted and narrow minded.

You're comparing Sakura to married women who are in abusive relationships but many of them are older than her and it was already said that Sakura doesn't want to make Sasuke hers but to save him.

And you're not listening to my point so let me try writing it in a way you can understand. *ahem* ALL WOMEN IN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIPS CONTINUE TO RUN BACK TO THEIR ABUSERS IN THE BELIEF THAT THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR SAVING OR SUPPORTING THEM IN SOME WAY BECAUSE THEY FEEL A SENSE OF GUILT AND RESPONSIBILITY. Not just older married women. Really....it could be argued that even women in manipulative relationships experience the same thing. I don't see anything coming out of this argument because all you're really doing is limiting your perspective to personal experiences. If you want to have a skewed messed up close minded view of women then who am I to stop you?? Enjoy your day.