2. As you said VIZ said "creature" and not "thing" after that Nami commented so he is not "human".
So, it's not that Nami say that he is strongest out of all races, it is that he is strongest out of Zoans.
3. Incomplete menatly but "loyal" or complete and "not royal", I would go with royal.
4. I agree, that's why I am using "de facto" before typing First Mate.
5. Because WG made mistake that don't mean that Bartolomeo and Urouge made theirs.
It don't have to be true, but it also can. It's still of more value that simple "they are wrong", so I will stick to it as long as manga don't say otherwise.
1. Guess mermaids are all household servants. Or all skeletons weigh a ton.
2. Fair enough. Also from Wikipedia,
The biological definition of the word[animal] refers to all members of the kingdom Animalia, encompassing creatures as diverse as sponges, jellyfish, insects, and humans
5. But it shows that their statements aren't automatically right. Their statements aren't credible, and the Urouge one was just debunked in this thread.
How am I supposed to show you if it isn't there, and if it isn't there you can only assume.
Assumption is the mother of all **** ups, say hi to me for her when you get back home.
You can't be serious to label Shanks as a swordsman after seeing him holding that thing twice.
Talking about incapable..
As for the mistranslation of Urouge:
Wikia said:
Zoro was the first to join Luffy in what later became the Straw Hat Pirate crew, but neither Luffy, Zoro, nor anyone else has ever said Zoro was the first mate. Each member of the crew has had a job profession assigned or announced already in the storyline. To date, Zoro is regarded as "Bounty Hunter" by profession and "champion" or "partner" in crew role, although yet another argument is First Mates on other crews have been described as the captain's "champion". Both the manga translation by Viz and the anime version dubbed by 4Kids and recently FUNimation, as well as the English translation of the games have also referred to him as this role. However their translations are not always direct ones, as was the case with Kuina in the 4Kids version, of the Japanese text and may have some changes due to culture differences and/or censorship.
One translation has also included a scanlation of chapter 499 with him referred to as "first mate" but that phrase was not in the raw (the actual phrase translates as "second member" and not First Mate (副船長, Fuku Senchō, translation; "Vice Captain") though the second in command of a ship is the First Mate.[6]
Even on this wikia, arguments over Zoro's classified role have occurred in the past, but to date officially Oda has never listed anyone as the Straw Hat Pirates First Mate and it is for now considered incorrect to name him as the First Mate until stated otherwise.
Scans of Shanks using another fighting style more than his swordsmanship don't exist. Scans of Shanks resorting to his sword do exist, multiple of them. That means, by manga portrayal, Shanks is a swordsman. It's that simple.
Scans of Shanks using another fighting style more than his swordsmanship don't exist. Scans of Shanks resorting to his sword do exist, multiple of them. That means, by manga portrayal, Shanks is a swordsman. It's that simple.
Having them is not the same as using them. Like I said before Blackbeard always has 3 guns and fired them at WB, does that make him a sniper ? Arlong had a named blade, does that make him a swordsman ? Law has a sword but he never cuts with it, he uses his ability, in what category does he fall ?
Shanks can't be qualified as a swordsman at this point in time, not just because he has a simple cutlass hanging from his hip.
All Yonkou have a special edge, some kind of super weapon. Kaidou will probably be some kind of monster, Big mom looks like a giant acid user, WB and BB have the strongest Paramecia and the darkness fruit. It would be really weird if Shanks would be 'just' a swordsman, that's not spectacular enough for a yonkou.
So untill Shanks has a serious fight, don't label him as anything.
Except that Blackbeard has not been removing his guns everytime he was poised for a battle. When Ace showed up he did not immediately go for his gun but rather depended on his hands to fight that indicates his natural fighting style is not guns.
Arlong had a named blade, does that make him a swordsman ? Law has a sword but he never cuts with it, he uses his ability, in what category does he fall ?
Out of all his appearances Arlong only used his blade against luffy. That also indicates his natural fighting style is not with a blade.
I have always considered law a swordsman. His ability only compliments his swordsmanship. Law always had the option of using a scalpel or a knife which would be much more efficient as his ability creates a Operating room. Yet he chose a rather big sword, why?
Instances of shanks using his sword every time he faced an eminent duel,
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Also he had the whole wide world before him to fight, why choose a person who was or will be the greatest swordsman? Because you see, as vista said it is a swordsman's instinct to clash swords with Mihawk.
All Yonkou have a special edge, some kind of super weapon. Kaidou will probably be some kind of monster, Big mom looks like a giant acid user, WB and BB have the strongest Paramecia and the darkness fruit. It would be really weird if Shanks would be 'just' a swordsman, that's not spectacular enough for a yonkou.
He is not a plain swordsman that's for sure, but he is a swordsman nonetheless. I personally feel that his secret weapon along with his beast like haki is his speed. When WB threw his Sake bottle at shanks, he moved to his side at incredible speed without using any visible form of bodily movement. And there are some examples that prove his speed is amazing.
Actually when you think about it, the reason why you say he is not a swordsman is very weak compared to our argument of why we consider him a swordsman.
The Shanks isn't a swordsman thing is ridiculous. Why do you think Mihawk had an interest on him and decide to make him a rival of his? I think it's pretty obvious they were rivalling each other in swordsplay. The same goes for Rayleigh as well. Rayleigh is Zoro's parallel, when he confronted Kizaru he said it's been a while since i held a sword. It's pretty clear from that point that sword is his primarily weapon in a fight and it's what he used to fend off Kizaru's attacks in Shabondy. The way Shanks speak to Rayleigh also makes me think Rayleigh is the one who taught him the way of sword. Likely somewhere long the line, he encountered Mihawk and thus started their long decades rivarly
Everytime he is poised for a battle he removes the blade. And If he does not use them why have them in the first place?
Except that Blackbeard has not been removing his guns everytime he was poised for a battle. When Ace showed up he did not immediately go for his gun but rather depended on his hands to fight that indicates his natural fighting style is not guns.
Out of all his appearances Arlong only used his blade against luffy. That also indicates his natural fighting style is not with a blade.
I have always considered law a swordsman. His ability only compliments his swordsmanship. Law always had the option of using a scalpel or a knife which would be much more efficient as his ability creates a Operating room. Yet he chose a rather big sword, why?
Instances of shanks using his sword every time he faced an eminent duel,
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Also he had the whole wide world before him to fight, why choose a person who was or will be the greatest swordsman? Because you see, as vista said it is a swordsman's instinct to clash swords with Mihawk.
He is not a plain swordsman that's for sure, but he is a swordsman nonetheless. I personally feel that his secret weapon along with his beast like haki is his speed. When WB threw his Sake bottle at shanks, he moved to his side at incredible speed without using any visible form of bodily movement. And there are some examples that prove his speed is amazing.
Actually when you think about it, the reason why you say he is not a swordsman is very weak compared to our argument of why we consider him a swordsman.
Lmao, Do u even know how to read and understand the point? hmm Did I said anything similar to this?
I said Fujitora uses 2 kinds of powers for battle hence he's not just a simple swordsman like Mihawk which is why all swordsman are below Mihawk logic can't be applied to Fujitora as he has other means to fight. He's obviously below Mihawk as a SM though.
He is same as Roger,He has both sword as well as gun in his hands means that he was a SM as well as sniper. U can't say that the best SM of Roger's era was stronger than Roger just because Roger holds a sword and same logic can be applied to Fujitora.
1. Guess mermaids are all household servants. Or all skeletons weigh a ton.
2. Fair enough. Also from Wikipedia,
3. What the **** did you even just say here
5. But it shows that their statements aren't automatically right. Their statements aren't credible, and the Urouge one was just debunked in this thread.
2. Fair enough, but you missed sentence above the one you posted:
In everyday non-scientific usage the word excludes humans – that is, "animal" is often used to refer only to non-human members of the kingdom Animalia; often, only closer relatives of humans such as mammals, or mammals and other vertebrates, are meant.[2]
3. On one side you have Kizaru (retarded but loyal) and on the other Aokiji (normal but not loyal). If I had to choose I would go with Kizaru beause he is loyal, instead of Aokiji who could betray them.
4. Fair enough. But why would Oda two times state Zoro as FM, both Urogue and Bartolomeo are completely different pirates, who probably never encountered each other, so their knowledge comes from rumors and fanboying over them. Since they most probably never encounter each other, their source of information is completely different. Still, both of them made same sentence. And Bartolomeo is biggest fan boy of SHP.
