[VS] DSM Kabuto vs FTG duo
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KingHashirama
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1. Show me where Susanoo tried to break the cave, as in where they directly tried to break the cave.. or tried to get out of it.
2. Can manda 2 fit in the cave? Furthermore... Ftg can troll the large snake....
3. There is nothing Kabuto has that Tobirama can't react to....
Unless Kabuto gets skills on the level of EMS Madara or Hashirama.. not talking about power.. but talking about fighting skills... If he can't, then hes not touching or matching Tobirama.
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Lmao, Tobirama cracked a wall with chakra pressure, and people think he can break on a full scale cave with that alone? Wowzers.Do you have any idea how fast Tobirama is?.
Furthermore, you do know Tobirama can just break the cave.....
And why does Manda 2 matter when the person he has to kill is Kabuto......
KingHashirama
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So who is saying hes gonna break it via chakra pressure? O_O.
already replied:|
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I believe that's what you implied, if not, my bad. Anyway, strip away the pointless restrictions, bar Edo-Tensei for Tobirama, Kabuto is fully capable of dealing with anything in his arsenal. Not only can sudden liquifidation nullify all Tobirama's physical attacks, but if my memory serves correct, he possesses Orochimaru's complete arsenal. Accompanying his already impressive moveset with, let's say, Yamata no Orochi, the fight's one-sided.
All Kabuto really needs is Hakugeki or Mugen Ōnsa. Once he's under the illusion or paralyzed Kabuto has a huge opening to simply cut him down. Kabuto's durability, liquefying ability, and Oral Rebirth is more than enough to counter everything in Tobirama's arsenal.
Not to mention Manda II could be a good distraction. Also, it's possible for Kabuto to be able react to Tobirama's FTG and at least predict where he'll be.
KingHashirama
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SAdly, Kabuto has no skills that'll give him a fight against Tobirama.. Good luck to him being able to do half of his arsenal while Tobirama is attacking him.
Even just in chakra hes inferior to Tobirama..
Also, furthemore he doesn't fully have liquification like Suigetsu.. Itachi and Sasuke already proved he can be cut and so on..
And don't forget Tobirama can spam shadow clone jutsu while marking the entire cave.... Furthermore he doesn't possess Yamata no Orochi... no manga scan hints that.
PS: You are forgetting Tobirama's high scale water techniques.
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KingHashirama
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There is no need to "lol", about a logical thing. All it requires is to connect A to B.
Hakugeki nice... Genjutsu countered via chakra disruption. Furthermore, there is always the possibility that Tobirama goes and escapes the cave... rofl.
It's logical to you that a Suiton from Tobirama will do anything to Kabuto? lol
I have no doubt Tobirama could counter the Senjutsu enhanced Mugen Ōnsa eventually. I also have no doubt Kabuto would strike in the time it takes to do so.
Tobirama escaping the cave? Does Tobirama have prep time in this battle to set up marks outside the cave? Also, you assume Kabuto would follow him. Why would he do that?
KingHashirama
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Will he? And you believe that is logical?
THe most logical thing for Tobirama to do in this fight.. would be to spam FTG, just like Kabuto is starting off with all the high-scale jutsus.
Tobirama's shunshin by itself is faster than Kabuto's speed.. rofl. And i never said kabuto would follow him =].
This moment alone is enough for Tobirama to strike KAbuto:
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Will he what?
He can spam FTG all he likes. FTG lets him warp in an instant. An instant. Hakugeki and Mugen Ōnsa last more than an instant; therefore when he reappears he'll be caught in those Jutsus. And besides, the bottom line is nothing in his arsenal can kill Kabuto.
You can talk in circles all you like, that basic fact gives Kabuto the win.
KingHashirama
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THe genjutsu you and other Kabuto fans keep on talking about and over.. is to slow.. It is cancelled if Tobirama strikes Kabuto...
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Furthermore, tobirama is an experienced fighter in wars.. meaning he has plenty of strategies.
A Kunai stabs of high speed which he can't liquify to can easily kill him.
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Wrong on multiple parts. His chakra isn't inferior, as he absorbed Orochimaru's cells, he gained his chakra. So when he did, his chakra strength sky rocketed, it was even noticed to be on Tobirama's level during the Kage's revival.
Next, spamming shadow clones is bad on his part, not only is he decreasing the amount of chakra he has each time he makes one, but that's easily counterable by bone forest.
He used one technique including water, one. He has no feats to back up his hyped claims, and if you want to go off of hype, Kabuto demolishes even more.
Kabuto does indeed possess Yamata no Orochi due to the fact he has Orochimaru's cells, power, and then some. The mere fact that he's able to perform Orochimaru's techniques, is a testament to this. Stop trying to discredit Kabuto, and going off of baseless assumptions and stupid statements.
Key word "if". Itachi is by far a better Genjutsu user than Tobirama and he had no clue what was happening.
Random Hakugeki pic, fun.
Saying "he has plenty of strategies" is the equivalent of saying nothing at all.
A fast kunai can kill Kabuto... I'm almost dumbfounded.
Please, explain that. Because right now, that's the stupidest thing you've said so far.
KingHashirama
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@Bold, show me where that happened please.
False, spamming it is not bad on his part, and especially with his experience. He can perfectly utilize FTG to its utmost level via shadow clones.. and since when did Kabuto get bone forest? Giving him shit he doesn't have?
Tobirama has shown 4 water jutsus.. The 2/3 in the first fight.... and then 1 in the current war arc.. The ones from the first Edo fight are logicall powered up ..... Again this is not hype.. this is what he has.
OH so he has his cells and he automatically has it? what? Nowhere in the manga is anything like that stated. Yamata no Orochi was orochimaru himself..
And its funny that you are making him out to be more than he his.... yet trying to claim you aren't making up baseless assumptions.. And also, which baseless assumption did i make?
Having great genjutsu usage =/= being able to deal with it....
Tobirama was raised with a known powerful genjutsu user of his time... He knows how to deal with genjutsu.. hes had more experience fighitng genjutsu than Itachi... no clue why you even bothered mentioning Itachi here.
@Bold, stating what you stated is equal to stating you had no counter..
False, i stated high speed kunai stabs can kill him.... unless you are showing his liquification is faster than Obito's defense. And furthermore.. stab on the heart..
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HiddenSound
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I'll just fill in for Europa.
And Tobirama has shown no signs of being able to deal with a Genjutsu of that caliber. Also, being incredible in Genjutsu means knowing a great deal about Genjutsu, including how to deal with it :| That's simple common sense.
A "known" powerful Genjutsu user with no feats. You even made a thread criticizing people who put fearless characters over characters who have feats, so don't even bother with that shit.
That sloppy argument is not deserving of a counter.
Stab him in the heart...
You don't know this, but when a user dies, Oral Rebirth automatically activates. Therefore, no, a simple ****ing stab won't stop Kabuto :|