who can beat a bloodlusted/determined prime madara?

[Itachi 4 life]

DB >>>> NV. Never compare DBZ characters with Naruto characters !

OT: Juubi Jin Hagoromo and Kaguya can beat Madara

They can not.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

They can not.

Hype puts them above Madara. Kaguya by feats can beat Madara via BFR. Hagoromo beating Prime Madara is more difficult

 

[scorezor]

Aizen .

 

[Itachi 4 life]

Hype puts them above Madara. Kaguya by feats can beat Madara via BFR. Hagoromo beating Prime Madara is more difficult

Hype?
by hype and logic Maddy can also use Dimensional Shifting.
It negs Hagoromo
Kaguya has no chance without BZ.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Hype puts them above Madara. Kaguya by feats can beat Madara via BFR. Hagoromo beating Prime Madara is more difficult

We seen Kaguya get solo'd easily at her best U_U

Only prime hagoromo stands a chance.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Kaguya, Hagoromo, Naruto, and Sasuke.


Kaguya for obvious reasons. If you argue against Kaguya, you should reread the manga.


Hagoromo because, well, Madara's a mere imitation of him, and Hagoromo had the same powers as Madara with the sun seal alone. In his prime, he clearly had those powers bolstered by the juubi. So his power's clearly greater than Madara's, who had to use the juubi to get senjutsu instead of bolstering it.



Sasuke because he's directly compared on Hagoromo's level while Madara has never been in any direct way, and for similar reasons as Hagoromo. Sasuke started off with 6 paths powers, but got them bolstered by the chakra of the bijus while Madara had to use the bijus to get 6 paths powers. Saying Madara can beat current Sasuke is paramount to saying that base Madara could beat Sasuke when he got the moon seal, which is stupid. Without the bijus, Sasuke's clearly superior, so since they now draw on the same power boost, Sasuke should still be superior by the same degree.


Naruto because he has to equal Sasuke, and Sasuke, with the power of the bijus, remarked on Naruto's natural energy being huge. This means Naruto likely has the most powerful senjutsu in the manga aside from Kaguya, and Madara probably couldn't compete with such brute power.



There, that's 4 characters that could logically beat Madara.

 

[Benjamin King]

No one can. He's invincible with 2 Rinnegan.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Madara can use S/T portals too by hype/Logic
Kaguya doesn't know how to fight if u restrict BZ.
Kaguya gets sealed within CT
Hagoromo has no counter for dimensional shifting
Restrict it
You said that gudodams cancel eachother 2 times
Hagoromo doesn't have more chakra,Madara has the Shinju
Madara can seal him too
Hagoromo doesn't know ninjutsu,only ninshuu
Madara high diffs

@ bold part, Hype and logic with no feats have no meaning in Naruto world sadly as Kishi do what he wants breaking previously applied rules

How Madara can counter "World attack" Lava/acid dimenssion, I will wait
Yes at the begining Kaguya was clueless in fight but with time passing she was getting better.
Hagoromo may not have dimenssional shifting , but he proved he can escpae that by Reverse summon at least. He can always summon pure spiritis from Pure world to help him.
Yeah, I typed it one time more unecessary.
Hagoromo also has Shinjuu as Juubi host. Shinjuu + Kaguya= Juubi.
maybe
Wrong, Reverse summon, using handseals, Rikudou Chibaku Tensei proves otherwise.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Hagoromo was a pseudo jin, KCM Naruto I thought we went over this lol

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Kaguya, Hagoromo, Naruto, and Sasuke.


Kaguya for obvious reasons. If you argue against Kaguya, you should reread the manga.


Hagoromo because, well, Madara's a mere imitation of him, and Hagoromo had the same powers as Madara with the sun seal alone. In his prime, he clearly had those powers bolstered by the juubi. So his power's clearly greater than Madara's, who had to use the juubi to get senjutsu instead of bolstering it.



Sasuke because he's directly compared on Hagoromo's level while Madara has never been in any direct way, and for similar reasons as Hagoromo. Sasuke started off with 6 paths powers, but got them bolstered by the chakra of the bijus while Madara had to use the bijus to get 6 paths powers. Saying Madara can beat current Sasuke is paramount to saying that base Madara could beat Sasuke when he got the moon seal, which is stupid. Without the bijus, Sasuke's clearly superior, so since they now draw on the same power boost, Sasuke should still be superior by the same degree.


Naruto because he has to equal Sasuke, and Sasuke, with the power of the bijus, remarked on Naruto's natural energy being huge. This means Naruto likely has the most powerful senjutsu in the manga aside from Kaguya, and Madara probably couldn't compete with such brute power.



There, that's 4 characters that could logically beat Madara.

Sasuke and Naruto are not beating Prime Madara. Kurama never saw Prime Hagoromo, as Prime Hagoromo was the juubi jin. Sasuke is as strong as post juubi jin Hagoromo, which is weaker than Prime Madara

 

[Djokovic]

Madara solo glanced 99% of NV. It comes down to one shinobi who doesnt have a brain. Go figure.
Madara> Your favorite forever

 

[Itachi 4 life]

@ bold part, Hype and logic with no feats have no meaning in Naruto world sadly as Kishi do what he wants breaking previously applied rules

How Madara can counter "World attack" Lava/acid dimenssion, I will wait
Yes at the begining Kaguya was clueless in fight but with time passing she was getting better.
Hagoromo may not have dimenssional shifting , but he proved he can escpae that by Reverse summon at least. He can always summon pure spiritis from Pure world to help him.
Yeah, I typed it one time more unecessary.
Hagoromo also has Shinjuu as Juubi host. Shinjuu + Kaguya= Juubi.
maybe
Wrong, Reverse summon, using handseals, Rikudou Chibaku Tensei proves otherwise.

Madara can use RCT too.
Madara became one with the Shinju unlike Hagoromo
Madara counters it by switching with Limbo
Madara has no counter for Dimensional shifting.Except dimensional shifting
She got neg'd by Sakura
Hagoromo lived before Ninjutsu

 

[KidGamer65]

Hagoromo, Naruto, Sasuke and Kaguya all beat him.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Sasuke and Naruto are not beating Prime Madara. Kurama never saw Prime Hagoromo, as Prime Hagoromo was the juubi jin. Sasuke is as strong as post juubi jin Hagoromo, which is weaker than Prime Madara

Kurama never saw the juubi either, yet somehow he knew about Tenpenchi. Your counter is irrelevant. It also doesn't address my second argument regarding their scaling without biju power, and how that Makes Sasuke stronger.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Kurama never saw the juubi either, yet somehow he knew about Tenpenchi. Your counter is irrelevant. It also doesn't address my second argument regarding their scaling without biju power, and how that Makes Sasuke stronger.

Pretty sure Hagoromo said all about Tenpachii to Kurama, as he treated the tailed beast like his children. Kurama never saw Prime Hagoromo (common logic), he has no clue how strong juubi jin hagoromo was.

Sasuke aint beating Prime Madara

 

[KCMNaruto]

Hagoromo was a pseudo jin, KCM Naruto I thought we went over this lol

Well I am just expressing my opinion. I don't even mention difficulty of victory so if you consider it as wrong then fine.

Sasuke and Naruto are not beating Prime Madara. Kurama never saw Prime Hagoromo, as Prime Hagoromo was the juubi jin. Sasuke is as strong as post juubi jin Hagoromo, which is weaker than Prime Madara

^^ True

Madara can use RCT too.
Madara became one with the Shinju unlike Hagoromo
Madara counters it by switching with Limbo
Madara has no counter for Dimensional shifting.Except dimensional shifting
She got neg'd by Sakura
Hagoromo lived before Ninjutsu

@ The underlined part has no connection or refference to my points

I am not even getting what you tried to prove this time, besides two leggit not bolded points.

Kurama never saw the juubi either, yet somehow he knew about Tenpenchi. Your counter is irrelevant. It also doesn't address my second argument regarding their scaling without biju power, and how that Makes Sasuke stronger.

^^ Yeah and strangely Kurama has only known about Tenpenchi while being clueless about anything else Juubi was using.
Ability of Tenpenchi could be easily given by hagoromo to Kurama as one of most dangerous.

 

[Itachi 4 life]

Well I am just expressing my opinion. I don't even mention difficulty of victory so if you consider it as wrong then fine.



^^ True



@ The bold part has no connection or refference to my points

I am not even getting what you tried to prove this time, besides two leggit not bolded points.



^^ Yeah and strangely Kurama has only known about Tenpenchi while being clueless about anything else Juubi was using.
Ability of Tenpenchi could be easily given by hagoromo to Kurama as one of most dangerous.

Dude I have no idea what you bolded since I already write everything bolded U_U

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Pretty sure Hagoromo said all about Tenpachii to Kurama, as he treated the tailed beast like his children. Kurama never saw Prime Hagoromo (common logic), he has no clue how strong juubi jin hagoromo was.

Sasuke aint beating Prime Madara

No, common logic says that Kurama wasn't referring to Hagoromo without the bijus, as it was stated to happen on his death bed, so clearly Kurama isn't using that as his power example. The idea is ludicrous.


Kurama was created when inside of Hagoromo.

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"when you were inside of me." Going by the logic that Kurama clearly wasn't comparing Sasuke to a nearly dead Hagoromo and this statement implies Kurama once existed within Hagoromo, this does indeed show Kurama could have certainly known about prime Hagoromo.



Let me make this simple and clear enough for all you Madara worshipers. I will apply numbers as representations of power.


Juubi jin double rinnegan Madara is a 12.

Rinnegan Sasuke with only the moon seal is a 7 or 8. (fair enough, and even if we take Madara's statements at heart, this would be accurate as he has the rinnegan power and a bit of senjutsu)

Madara enhanced himself with the power of fused bijus. Let's make this "9"


This means that without the bijus, Madara with double rinnegan is a 3, far weaker than Sasuke.


Now, both have fused biju powers. Now, we add to their individual "scores"


Madara+9=12. For Sasuke 7+9=16, which is stronger than Madara. You'd have to come up with a very bad excuse to refute logic this simple.

Well I am just expressing my opinion. I don't even mention difficulty of victory so if you consider it as wrong then fine.



^^ True



@ The bold part has no connection or refference to my points

I am not even getting what you tried to prove this time, besides two leggit not bolded points.



^^ Yeah and strangely Kurama has only known about Tenpenchi while being clueless about anything else Juubi was using.
Ability of Tenpenchi could be easily given by hagoromo to Kurama as one of most dangerous.

Read above.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Read above.

^^ Nothing proved by you.

Also you just made fool of yourself. Kurama existing before inside Hagoromo, wtf ?
It was stated many times that Tailed beasts came to life after Hagoromo extracted Ten tails from himself. Even the scan you posted support this...

Sasuke was just Post Jin Rikudou level who decided to absorb tailed beasts chakra, like that:

Hagoromo: Old man Juubi Jin level-> Old man Post Jin (Power down)
Sasuke: Yin Sasuke with full mastery over Rinnegan -> Sasuke with bijuu powers (Power up)

so at the best Sasuke was JJ Old man Hagoromo level(before extraction of Tailed beasts.)

Unless you post correct and leggit manga scans, You are incorrect

EDIT: to prove yourself true your only hope is viz scan will translate it as "Jinchurki Hagoromo/Sage of six paths" the "jinchurki" word will be key

Also at least that proves Sasuke surprass JJ One-RG Madara, JJ One-RG and MS Madara.
He is approaching JJ Dual RG Madara and he may surprass him in future.

Three eyed JJ Madara and JJ Hagoromo are out of Sasuke's reach although

 

[Joseph Gomes]

No, common logic says that Kurama wasn't referring to Hagoromo without the bijus, as it was stated to happen on his death bed, so clearly Kurama isn't using that as his power example. The idea is ludicrous.


Kurama was created when inside of Hagoromo.

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"when you were inside of me." Going by the logic that Kurama clearly wasn't comparing Sasuke to a nearly dead Hagoromo and this statement implies Kurama once existed within Hagoromo, this does indeed show Kurama could have certainly known about prime Hagoromo.



Let me make this simple and clear enough for all you Madara worshipers. I will apply numbers as representations of power.


Juubi jin double rinnegan Madara is a 12.

Rinnegan Sasuke with only the moon seal is a 7 or 8. (fair enough, and even if we take Madara's statements at heart, this would be accurate as he has the rinnegan power and a bit of senjutsu)

Madara enhanced himself with the power of fused bijus. Let's make this "9"


This means that without the bijus, Madara with double rinnegan is a 3, far weaker than Sasuke.


Now, both have fused biju powers. Now, we add to their individual "scores"


Madara+9=12. For Sasuke 7+9=16, which is stronger than Madara. You'd have to come up with a very bad excuse to refute logic this simple.





Read above.

You clearly have no idea what common logic means. There's absolutely no way Kurama could know how strong Juubi Jin hagoromo was, as he never saw hagoromo in that state

And your calculation doesn't make any sense