why do people think hashirama is fodder?

[Ansatsuken]

If we list a characters by their own power for a clean indicator of where is Hashi at, I think it will be like this

No Ootsutsuki families here.

1.Madara Three eye

2.Rikudou Naruto

3.Rikudou Sasuke

4.DMS Obito (I don't count Kakashi because that just temporary power up for him)

5.Hashirama.

I not include Guy because 8 gate is suicide move not normal OP move.

 

[TyrionUchiha]

Oh sorry - I was too busy paying attention to the girl you have as your avatar.

Damn. D:

 

[Djokovic]

i wrote dms obito

3 eyed madara>= kaguya> hagoromo/hamura>Naruto/bijuu sasuke> alive sage mode hashi>.....

I dont see Obito anywhere here. Obito is above Hashirama manga fact.

 

[TheWolfHasSpoken]

If we list a characters by their own power for a clean indicator of where is Hashi at, I think it will be like this

Non Ootsutsuki

Madara Three eye

Rikudou Naruto

Rikudou Sasuke

DMS Obito (I don't count Kakashi because that just temporary power up for him)

Hashirama.

I not include Guy because 8 gate is suicide move not normal OP move.

dms obito is not above hashi, obito was only alive because of hashi cells, without hashi cells, he would probably die after 5 kamui spams

 

[Hokage4]

Hashi already admitted Obito stronger, so you just might have to adjust that lil ranking of yours. I agree Hashi is arguably top 10, BUT he can easily be top 14, under certain circumstances. We have 8th Gai, Rikodou Kakashi, SM Kabuto with his whole army, Orochimaru now with Senju cells and 3 hokage, Nagato, Indra, Ashura.

He admitted he was stronger with the freaking ten tails inside him. I would hope the ten tails jinchuriki would be a bit tougher then hashirama.

 

[Ansatsuken]

dms obito is not above hashi, obito was only alive because of hashi cells, without hashi cells, he would probably die after 5 kamui spams

I just count their own power or their original users only not about borrowed power or cells implementation here for your information

 

[Holy God]

Why is Obito not above Hashirama? In his strongest form(host), even the "God of Shinobi" himself states Obito as stronger.

 

[Hokage4]

Gai, dms kakashi/obito , Nagato and SM kabuto still solo

How in the hell does sm kabuto beat hashirama?

 

[TheWolfHasSpoken]

Why is Obito not above Hashirama? In his strongest form(host), even the "God of Shinobi" himself states Obito as stronger.

dms obito was the one who had his ten tails removed

 

[TheWolfHasSpoken]

I just count their own power or their original users only not about borrowed power or cells implementation here for your information

in that case then dms obito is non existent...

 

[Hokage4]

If we list a characters by their own power for a clean indicator of where is Hashi at, I think it will be like this

No Ootsutsuki families here.

1.Madara Three eye

2.Rikudou Naruto

3.Rikudou Sasuke

4.DMS Obito (I don't count Kakashi because that just temporary power up for him)

5.Hashirama.

I not include Guy because 8 gate is suicide move not normal OP move.

Cuz DMS obito wouldn't be temporary? Without hashiramas cells he would only be able to use his double kamui like twice without getting insanely wore out.

 

[Holy God]

dms obito was the one who had his ten tails removed

So we are going by latest forms? That changes things. It is debatable who would win against Obito and Hashirama if he has the mangekyou sharingan. It's basically like Madara vs Hashirama again, except Obito would have his cells, the wood style, and Kamui.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Cuz DMS obito wouldn't be temporary? Without hashiramas cells he would only be able to use his double kamui like twice without getting insanely wore out.

Read back my above statement, I said this list just for the original users only and not counting cell implementation or borrowed power as criteria of my list.

If I'm using all the criteria, sure Naruto, Sasuke, Madara and Obito is brought back to their original state and that is mean Hashi will be first.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Bijuu Sasuke on the same level as current Naruto? He's above and before they were equal.

 

[TheWolfHasSpoken]

So we are going by latest forms? That changes things. It is debatable who would win against Obito and Hashirama if he has the mangekyou sharingan. It's basically like Madara vs Hashirama again, except Obito would have his cells, the wood style, and Kamui.

sage mode hashi defeats any ems or ms user easily
he had trouble trying to defeat ems madara with full kyuubi and because he was not fighting with intent to kill

 

[Venomous Cobra]

saying that dms obito is above hashirama is utter joke. Obito was only able to spam kamui because of hashi cells, else he would have died at the time when he spammed them when rin died. *th gate guy ultimately dies and an alive hashi can survive his rampage

No he can't outlast gai -_- unless you saying he has better than juubi jin madara

And dms obito has the potential to unlock sousano I mean nothing suggests he can't , but I know you gonna complain about it anyway
Still obito can go intangible and keep passing through hasirama attacks untill he catches him and let me remind you of the kamui speed

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Now take this and multiply it by 2 lol

 

[Holy God]

sage mode hashi defeats any ems or ms user easily
he had trouble trying to defeat ems madara with full kyuubi and because he was not fighting with intent to kill

Well I beg to differ in this case. Obito has Kamui along with Susano'o, which easily phases most attacks Hashirama can deal. Hashirama would also have to constantly move in order to not get transferred to the other dimension.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Well I beg to differ in this case. Obito has Kamui along with Susano'o, which easily phases most attacks Hashirama can deal. Hashirama would also have to constantly move in order to not get transferred to the other dimension.

Kamui snipe is enough for Obito

 

[Venomous Cobra]

How in the hell does sm kabuto beat hashirama?

Edo tense ....................

 

[TheWolfHasSpoken]

No he can't outlast gai -_- unless you saying he has better than juubi jin madara

And dms obito has the potential to unlock sousano I mean nothing suggests he can't , but I know you gonna complain about it anyway
Still obito can go intangible and keep passing through hasirama attacks untill he catches him and let me remind you of the kamui speed

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Now take this and multiply it by 2 lol

hashirama without sage mode took down ems madara perfect susanoo.
The thing is that without hashi cells obito or even dms obito would have restrictions on using kamui, phasing is the same as teleportation technique. Hashi can take down any ems user easily and at any time