why do people think hashirama is fodder?

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hashirama without sage mode took down ems madara perfect susanoo.
The thing is that without hashi cells obito or even dms obito would have restrictions on using kamui, phasing is the same as teleportation technique. Hashi can take down any ems user easily and at any time

Ok so ? You saying without hasirama cells right? I am pretty sure that that he can at least use 3 times .

And I think you agreed about gai> hasirama since you not bringing it up
 

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hashirama without sage mode took down ems madara perfect susanoo.
The thing is that without hashi cells obito or even dms obito would have restrictions on using kamui, phasing is the same as teleportation technique. Hashi can take down any ems user easily and at any time

Why you brought up "without" term here, Obito is clearly got hashi cells from when he is save by madara, the manga is Obito with hashi cell not without it.

You did know when someone goes up against Obito they actually goes up against HAX power. And the main point is, Obito is with Hashi cell not without it. clearly.

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Ok so ? You saying without hasirama cells right? I am pretty sure that that he can at least use 3 times .

And I think you agreed about gai> hasirama since you not bringing it up

8th gate gai ultimately dies, hashirama has great durability and had one of the best healing skills. His cells and sage mode saved madara from the night moth. Even if gai fatally injures hashi, gai dies first so hashi takes this
 
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why you brought up "without" term here, obito is clearly got hashi cells from when he is save by madara, the manga is obito with hashi cell not without it.

You did know when someone goes up against obito they actually goes up against hax power. And the main point is, obito is with hashi cell not without it. Clearly.

dms obito the one during tha kaguya fight is no match for hashirama even if he was at his full state
 

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who the hell said that ?? and how can you take a statement like that seriously ??
 

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8th gate gai ultimately dies, hashirama has great durability and had one of the best healing skills. His cells and sage mode saved madara from the night moth. Even if gai fatally injures hashi, gai dies first so hashi takes this

.............. so you basically saying hasirama durability and regeneration are better than juubi jin madara?

That's it I am ****ing done
 

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dms obito the one during tha kaguya fight is no match for hashirama even if he was at his full state

How do you know?

The first thing and most important one, to defeated of disturb Kamui user you need other Kamui.

The second thing is you don't needed to imagine in your head about buddha or Jukai Koutan or Dragon or Golem, it because when fighting someone like Obito, the battle field is more focus and small, Look at when Kakashi, Naruto and bee is fighting Obito alone, there is no Bijuu dama or large scale attack. Not counting KCM naruto vs Bijuus TBB.

It because all massive jutsus is futile for Hashi because Obito can enter kamui and suddenly appear again, he can phasing any solid surface in intangible form, He can attack using Kamui dimension like Shuriken attack. Obito just need precise attack not massive AOE attack like Hashi to defeated the opponent.

The power Obito have is for quick and precise attack, ambushed, surprise attack, small or limited space battlefield oriented fighting etc.

Don't get to spellbound or fascinated at Hashi large scale power, because HAX base person not needed large scales attack to kill an enemies. Learn how fighting is perform.
 
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How do you know?

The first thing and most important one, to defeated of disturb Kamui user you need other Kamui.

The second thing is you don't needed to imagine in your head about buddha or Jukai Koutan or Dragon or Golem, it because when fighting someone like Obito, the battle field is more focus and small, Look at when Kakashi, Naruto and bee is fighting Obito alone, there is no Bijuu dama or large scale attack. Not counting KCM naruto vs Bijuus TBB.

It because all massive jutsus is futile for Hashi because Obito can enter kamui and suddenly appear again, he can phasing any solid surface in intangible form, He can attack using Kamui dimension like Shuriken attack. Obito just need precise attack not massive AOE attack like Hashi to defeated the opponent.

The power Obito have is for quick and precise attack, ambushed, surprise attack, small or limited space battlefield oriented fighting etc.

Don't get to spellbound or fascinated to Hashi large scale power, because HAX base person not needed large scales attack to kill an enemies.

'Konan' killed obito if not for the izanagi, your argument is invalid
 

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Who knows. Everyone wants a piece of Hashirama's wood. Madara, Kabutoo, Orochimaru, Obito, zetsu, Pein, etc. so many want the wood but only Mito had it given. :snick:
 
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How do you know?

The first thing and most important one, to defeated of disturb Kamui user you need other Kamui.

The second thing is you don't needed to imagine in your head about buddha or Jukai Koutan or Dragon or Golem, it because when fighting someone like Obito, the battle field is more focus and small, Look at when Kakashi, Naruto and bee is fighting Obito alone, there is no Bijuu dama or large scale attack. Not counting KCM naruto vs Bijuus TBB.

It because all massive jutsus is futile for Hashi because Obito can enter kamui and suddenly appear again, he can phasing any solid surface in intangible form, He can attack using Kamui dimension like Shuriken attack. Obito just need precise attack not massive AOE attack like Hashi to defeated the opponent.

The power Obito have is for quick and precise attack, ambushed, surprise attack, small or limited space battlefield oriented fighting etc.

Don't get to spellbound or fascinated at Hashi large scale power, because HAX base person not needed large scales attack to kill an enemies. Learn how fighting is perform.

'konan' killed obito if not for the izanagi, your argument is invalid
 

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Who knows. Everyone wants a piece of Hashirama's wood. Madara, Kabutoo, Orochimaru, Obito, zetsu, Pein, etc. so many want the wood but only Mito had it given. :snick:

Lmao, good one!
 

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'Konan' killed obito if not for the izanagi, your argument is invalid

That is with prep, we are talking straight battle without early prepared, and learn about the different in fighting style and technique.

Is hashi have a bomb jutsu like Konan?

I had enough when peoples like to brought reply like that. It just a plot devise for manga.

Even we can making a very different situation for Kaguya when she fight with team 7, sorry because off topic
 
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That is with prep, we are talking straight battle without early prepared, and learn about the different in fighting style and technique.

Is hashi have a bomb jutsu like Konan?

hashis buddha pounds obito continuoslyand he does not have to speed things up. Obito can only phase for five mins, 10 with two probably, what then?
 

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hashis buddha pounds obito continuoslyand he does not have to speed things up. Obito can only phase for five mins, 10 with two probably, what then?

LOL! is hashi can see if Obito in Kamui land or on the land beneath him or even is he can see what he pound at with that mountain size hand and when he at top of the world, Obito is not stupid to stay intangible there, he will move to kamui land and appear at save place to device new attack, the stupid one is Hashi if he attack recklessly without knowing what happen.

And take a consideration when "senpou: makuton shinsuusenju" is summon, Obito can appear suddednly behind Hashi and Kamui snipe him
 
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LOL! is hashi can see if Obito in Kamui land or on the land beneath him or even is he can see what he pound at with that mountain size hand and when he at top of the world, Obito is not stupid to stay intangible there, he will move to kamui land and appear at save place to device new attack, the stupid one is Hashi if he attack recklessly without knowing what happen.

he has to materialise first in order to transport himself, plis
 

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he has to materialise first in order to transport himself, plis

Do you know Obito can appear on-top of tree from the Kamui land without us seeing he climbing a tree first. He can appear directly at Hashi on-top of Buddha head and Kamui'd him. The kamui dimension is like stare-case to Obito the cube can go up and down at Obito will.

Think that first.
 
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he has to materialise first in order to teleport. if he gets hit even though he is tangible, its over. hashi is not blind
 

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Hashirama clearly was considered to be the strongest shinobi ever to be alive while indra, ashura and hagoromo were considered to be fantasies. Even edo hashirama(who was nerfed a lot) single handedly restricted the ten tails with his deity gates and even took down edo madara. Alive healthy sage mode hashirama clearly is top tier, above DMS obito and 8th gate guy and just below current sasuke and naruto.

3 eyed madara>= kaguya> hagoromo/hamura>Naruto/bijuu sasuke> alive sage mode hashi>.....
Blind madara solos low difficulty although without arse pull foderuto he is still quite strong.
 
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