Uzumaki origins.

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I don't see anything ambiguous about them. :sweat:
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I talk to a wall.Your words were ambiguous:


You're saying the first Uzumaki (that you've simply named "Uzumaki") had a sister who was the mother of Hagoromo's two sons Ashura and Indra.

(PART a/) If this was the case, that would mean Ashura would have gotten those Uzumaki genes from his mother, and since he is the Senju ancestor, (PART b/) that means at some point down the line the Uzumaki separated from the Senju line to form their own branch, as I had said before.
I don't understand how Part a/ implies part b/.
You jump to conclusion and that's causing misunderstanding , you should have seen where the problem came from.
That's a possibility , you should weight your words.

So why part a/ implies part b/?
 
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I talk to a wall.Your words were ambiguous:



I don't understand how Part a/ implies part b/.
You jump to conclusion and that's causing misunderstanding , you should have seen where the problem came from.
That's a possibility , you should weight your words.

So why part a/ implies part b/?
If Ashura had Uzumaki genes, then his children would also have Uzumaki genes. And their children would, and so on. Eventually, some of these people with Uzumaki genes would separate from the Senju to form the Uzumaki.

This is only a possibility that I am posing. I'm not saying this is what actually happened. But going by your idea of their mother being Uzumaki, this is what makes sense. How else would the Uzumaki have been formed going by your theory?

Personally, I don't think the mother was Uzumaki.
 

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If Ashura had Uzumaki genes, then his children would also have Uzumaki genes. And their children would, and so on. Eventually, some of these people with Uzumaki genes would separate from the Senju to form the Uzumaki.

This is only a possibility that I am posing. I'm not saying this is what actually happened. But going by your idea of their mother being Uzumaki, this is what makes sense. How else would the Uzumaki have been formed going by your theory?

Personally, I don't think the mother was Uzumaki.
That's it , you didn't understand my theory , that's why you make me talk in the wind.

Now you say "This is only a possibility that I am posing." , before you said that this was implied , your admitting you were wrong without saying it.


I'll explain you my theory :
-Sojobo Uzumaki is a simple human and has a sister Kito Uzumaki , they are the last Uzumaki alive because of the demon rabbit.
-You understood that Kito Uzumaki is the mother of Ashura and Indra and the wife of Hagoromo.
-But you didn't get that Sojobo Uzumaki would be the ancestor of the Uzumaki clan in my theory.
-Sojobo is Hagoromo' s best friend , Sojobo is the first human to have received the teaching of ninshuu from the sage , in my theory.
-Sojobo Uzumaki would fall in love with a girl and have babies named Uzumaki , creating a big family cause he loves life , giving the Uzumaki clan.

That's how Sojobo's descendance would have chakra and would be called Uzumaki.
 
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That's it , you didn't understand my theory at all , that's why you make me talk in the wind.

Now you say "This is only a possibility that I am posing." , before you said that this was implied , your admitting you were wrong without saying it.


I'll explain you my theory :
Sojobo Uzumaki has a sister Kito Uzumaki.
You understood that Kito Uzumaki is the mother of Ashura and Indra and the wife of Hagoromo in my theory.
But you didn't get that Sojobo Uzumaki would be the ancestor of the Uzumaki clan in my theory.

Sojobo Uzumaki would fall in love with a girl and have babies named Uzumaki , creating a big family cause he loves life , giving the Uzumaki clan.
Well first I never said it was implied. You were the one who assumed that part. What I was saying before was simply a possibility going by your theory. I also wasn't admitting I was "wrong" because all of this is purely guesswork. There is no evidence on what you said or what I said being right or wrong.

Your theory still makes Ashura and Indra part Uzumaki, which also means the Senju and Uchiha were part Uzumaki. There is nothing that supports that in the manga.
 

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Well first I never said it was implied.
You did , look.


You're saying the first Uzumaki (that you've simply named "Uzumaki") had a sister who was the mother of Hagoromo's two sons Ashura and Indra.

(PART a/) If this was the case, that would mean Ashura would have gotten those Uzumaki genes from his mother, and since he is the Senju ancestor, that means (PART b/) at some point down the line the Uzumaki separated from the Senju line to form their own branch, as I had said before.
You were wrong to say part a/ implies part b/ , no hard feelings.


"Your theory still makes Ashura and Indra part Uzumaki, which also means the Senju and Uchiha were part Uzumaki. "

What's wrong with that?
Kito Uzumaki is a human without the ability to use chakra , Sojobo got the well known Uzumaki jutsus during his life with Hagoromo's teachings.
 
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You did , look.




You were wrong to say part a/ implies part b/ , no hard feelings.
In that current possibility that you quoted, I was saying part b would happen because of part a. Sure. That was the possibility I was talking about in my other post. That entire thing is one possibility. I don't see the issue.

I still wouldn't say I was "wrong" to think that, because there is nothing saying that didn't happen. It's still possible. Hence why I called it a possibility.

Too many misunderstandings here. :dead:
 

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In that current possibility that you quoted, I was saying part b would happen because of part a. Sure. That was the possibility I was talking about in my other post. That entire thing is one possibility. I don't see the issue.

I still wouldn't say I was "wrong" to think that, because there is nothing saying that didn't happen. It's still possible. Hence why I called it a possibility.

Too many misunderstandings here. :dead:
How are you going to play with words to make yourself believe that you weren't wrong.
I stop with you , it took me too long.
 
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Always a Senju...
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Lineage definition:
lineage
ˈlɪnɪɪdʒ/Submit
noun
1.
direct descent from an ancestor; ancestry or pedigree.

Uzumaki come from the Senju. End of story, it's not even debatable. It's mangafacts.
 

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Lineage definition:
lineage
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noun
1.
direct descent from an ancestor; ancestry or pedigree.

Uzumaki come from the Senju. End of story, it's not even debatable. It's mangafacts.
That's a good argument , no need to doubt about what white zetsu says to black zetsu.
But it is debatable, I have a point that could fit my theory and white zetsu's statement , but it is far fetched:
A descendant of the Uzumaki ancestor fell in love with a descendant of Ashura , making babies and one of them became the ancestors of Nagato.
Nagato would be a direct descendant of a Senju and of a Uzumaki.
The mystery over Uzumaki origins still exists.
 

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The sheer amount of times that I have posted this scan is astounding.
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Lineage definition:
lineage
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noun
1.
direct descent from an ancestor; ancestry or pedigree.

Uzumaki come from the Senju. End of story, it's not even debatable. It's mangafacts.
Uzumaki do not descend from the Senju. The 1st's Wife was an Uzumaki and it was said that the Senju and Uzumaki are blood relatives like saying they are cousins. get it right >.>
 

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Uzumaki do not descend from the Senju. The 1st's Wife was an Uzumaki and it was said that the Senju and Uzumaki are blood relatives like saying they are cousins. get it right >.>
How do you think the entire Hyuuga clan has the Byakugan? Lol Smh, denying manga evidence right in your face.
 

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How do you think the entire Hyuuga clan has the Byakugan? Lol Smh, denying manga evidence right in your face.
Hyuuga has the Byukugan I believe due to being descended from Hamura though I fail to see your point in regard to my post. The Uzumaki are blood relatives as OP stated but they are not descended from the Senju.
 

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Uzumaki do not descend from the Senju. The 1st's Wife was an Uzumaki and it was said that the Senju and Uzumaki are blood relatives like saying they are cousins. get it right >.>
I forgot to mention that.
I said that it would be strange to see Hinata in love with Naruto if their ancestors were brothers at some point.
It would also be strange that Hashirama fell in love with Mito if their ancestors were brothers at some point.
 

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I forgot to mention that.
I said that it would be strange to see Hinata in love with Naruto if their ancestors were brothers at some point.
It would also be strange that Hashirama fell in love with Mito if their ancestors were brothers at some point.
Well actually since Hagamoro and Hamura are brothers everyone descended from both are related to each other so no use debating that point lol
 

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Hyuuga has the Byukugan I believe due to being descended from Hamura though I fail to see your point in regard to my post. The Uzumaki are blood relatives as OP stated but they are not descended from the Senju.
His point with Nagato/senju lineage seems to be great but he forgot that Nagato could be a Uzumaki and a Senju.
I don't see his point with the Hyuga thing.
 

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Hyuuga has the Byukugan I believe due to being descended from Hamura though I fail to see your point in regard to my post. The Uzumaki are blood relatives as OP stated but they are not descended from the Senju.
Re-read my post. I said how do you think the ENTIRE clan has it? They obviously practice incest relations otherwise it'd only be in a few Hyuuga. Hashirama and Mito being somewhat related isn't a problem for this setting.
 

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His point with Nagato/senju lineage seems to be great but he forgot that Nagato could be a Uzumaki and a Senju.
I don't see his point with the Hyuga thing.
Uzumaki well most Naruto is the exception here are known for their Red Hair so unless we see Senju's with this trait then I think we can close this topic right?
 
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